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Asking the PFS forum because I'm thinking about it *for* PFS:
Can a Cavalier (Daring Champion) take the Amateur Swashbuckler feat before 4th level? I would say it's reasonable because they don't have Panache *yet*, and stand to benefit from the Extra Panache when they do. By that token, they should probably take Dodging Panache as their 1st level deed so as not to risk the follow-on reasoning that they lose the feat (and therefore, the deed) at 4th.
That said, precedent suggests that a character acts as if they had an ability until their archetype gives said ability away (see Ranger/Paladin spellcasting).
What does the board/campaign think?
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Yes, it would be possible to take Amateur Gunslinger because while grit and panache combine into a single pool they are separate resources.
You would gain one point of grit and the ability to use one first level gunslinger deed. When you gain the panache feature, you can use that point of grit to power swashbuckler deeds, or your panache to power the gunslinger deed granted by Amateur Gunslinger.
You recharge grit the same way as a gunslinger, crits or kills with a firearm. So unless you use a dagger-pistol, you likely won't recharge any grit.
Grit, luck, and panache represent three different means by which heroes can gain access to the same heroic pool, using it to accomplish fantastic feats. For characters with a mix of grit, luck, and panache, they pool the resources together into a combined pool. (Those who use panache and luck gain twice their Charisma bonus in their pool.) For feats, magic items, and other effects, a panache user can spend and gain luck points in place of grit or panache points, and vice versa.
A luck user does not count as a grit or panache user to satisfy feat prerequisites.
Yes, you're not a class that grants Panache until you have the panache class feature.
Wands are more of an exception than a general rule.
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Yes, you're not a class that grants Panache until you have the panache class feature.
Wands are more of an exception than a general rule.
A debate! Heh.
I actually agree with Kurald that the text is unambiguous about this, but I'd say it doesn't make sense in this particular case (I'm not convinced the restriction makes sense in general, if I'm being honest).
And the ninja says
If the ninja possesses levels in another class that grants points to a ki pool, ninja levels stack with the levels of that class to determine the total number of ki points in the combined pool
And a monk fits that... once they get a ki pool.
Until you have the feature, your class and you don't have the feature.
Its the same way you don't have the Rogue Talent Class Feature until you get your first Rogue Talent at 2 (assuming no archetypes), so you can't take Extra Rogue Talent until then.
There is a key difference between having a class feature and having a level in a class that has a class feature - i.e., if you have a level in the Daring Champion archetype, you have a level in a class that has the panache class feature, even if you have not yet reached the level where you receive the class feature itself. You cannot take the Amateur Swashbuckler feat if you have a level of the Daring Champion archetype.
I would say this trick works as-is. The holy gun paladin does the same thing as part of its progression, only with grit, making this something intended to work.
On the contrary - the Holy Gun has a class feature called Holy Grit, which has significant differences from the gunslinger grit class feature and does not have text saying that it counts as gunslinger grit, but the Daring Champion specifically gains the swashbuckler panache class feature.