Way to get an aditionnal domain?


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Title says it most.

I was wondering if there was ANY way to get an aditionnal domain or Inquisition, weither you are Druid, Cleric or Inquisitor.

I don't expect to have a full domain power either. I'm just wondering if there's a way to access to two or three(if cleric) domain/inquisition's power.

I have most of Core Books (Core, APG, Ultimates, DMG,...), but doesn't have all of these expansions/settings/etc.

And if there's actually no way to have such an abilities, what would you think could do it while staying balanced? I think a Feat would be to easy and would worth it for everybody, but may be an archetype? or a feat with a lot of conditions?


The only way I've found is in the Inner Sea Magic Book. There is prestige class there that allows you to choose another Domain and you get bonuses with that domain while keeping your other domains. I think it may even allow your levels to stack for purposes of Domain powers but I'm not sure on that as I don't have the book handy.


That?

I don't think you can take any additional domain, it only gives you some flavored bonuses depending of your "specialization".

Good beginning, but not exactly what I'm looking for ;)


Took a Look, it's the Devine Scion Prestige Class.

Basically it allows you to choose a Domain. It can be one you already have or new one. I'm assuming if you already have the levels stack. If not then you start at level 1 with the new domain for powers.

So you could take a Cleric to level 10, Divine Scion for 10 levels and have 3 Domains at level 10 ability or 1 domain level 10 and the other level 20. If Domain powers are all you are interested in then those generally max out at level 8 you just lose out on the higher level domain spells which kind of sucks but you have 3 Domains.

Pretty much the only way I know of getting the powers from 3 Domains.


voska66 wrote:
Took a Look, it's the Devine Scion Prestige Class.

The class does not grant a Domain.


If a GM wanted to house rule it - how many feats do you think an additional domain should be worth?


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KrispyXIV wrote:
voska66 wrote:
Took a Look, it's the Devine Scion Prestige Class.
The class does not grant a Domain.

Actually...

Quote:
At 3rd level, a divine scion selects a domain granted by her deity—this domain becomes the divine scion’s chosen specialization in representing her deity. Although most divine scions pick domains that they’ve gained from other classes (such as cleric), they don’t have to do so. Every time a divine scion casts a domain spell from her specialized domain, she heals damage equal to twice the spell’s level.
Quote:

While it doesn't specifically say "You get that domain", it references casting from that specialized domain. This implies granting the domain and all the benefits of having it.

I would presume that RAI, you gain that domain.


Dren Everblack wrote:
If a GM wanted to house rule it - how many feats do you think an additional domain should be worth?

Personally? I'd model it on Eldritch Heritage. Give it a prereq like:

"Skill Focus: Knowledge (religion)", must follow a deity, Wis 13, Character Level 3rd

Effect: Choose a domain granted by your deity. You gain the first level domain power granted by that domain. Your effective Cleric level for this domain is your character level -2.

Have an improved version of it available at character level 11 (as you dont get feats at 10) for the second domain ability.

Static bonuses and expanded spell list abilities of the domains should probably be unavailable from feats.


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CaptainSockPuppet wrote:
I would presume that RAI, you gain that domain.

Why? It explicitly states you normally choose a domain you already have. The assumption is, if you're choosing another domain, its because you have access to its domain spells otherways to benefit from the feature.

There is absolutely nothing in the class to indicate gaining a new domain.


CaptainSockPuppet wrote:


While it doesn't specifically say "You get that domain", it references casting from that specialized domain. This implies granting the domain and all the benefits of having it.

I would presume that RAI, you gain that domain.

I don't, because even if you don't have that domain, you can have the spells, either by your class-spells, or by selecting a domain you already have.

Exemple War domain gives Blade Barrier as 6th level spell. But a Cleric have blade barrier at the same level. So, casting blade barrier with a specialization in WAR domain, even if you have Strength and Luck Domain, would give you those bonuses. And the bonus of specialization in WAR Domain.

But it doesn't seem to give the spells and abilities from that Domain.

Else, this would be nearly stupid to select a domain you already have :P


KrispyXIV wrote:
Dren Everblack wrote:
If a GM wanted to house rule it - how many feats do you think an additional domain should be worth?

Personally? I'd model it on Eldritch Heritage. Give it a prereq like:

"Skill Focus: Knowledge (religion)", must follow a deity, Wis 13, Character Level 3rd

Effect: Choose a domain granted by your deity. You gain the first level domain power granted by that domain. Your effective Cleric level for this domain is your character level -2.

Have an improved version of it available at character level 11 (as you dont get feats at 10) for the second domain ability.

Static bonuses and expanded spell list abilities of the domains should probably be unavailable from feats.

That sounds good. Domains are really near bloodline in effectivness. And you would still have to deal with the -2 level. And 3 feats(SF + Those 2) for having the two domains abilities seems enough to think about it twice.


KrispyXIV wrote:
voska66 wrote:
Took a Look, it's the Devine Scion Prestige Class.
The class does not grant a Domain.

Yes it does.

"At 3rd level, a divine scion selects a domain granted by her deity—this domain becomes the divine scion’s chosen specialization in representing her deity. Although most divine scions pick domains that they’ve gained from other classes (such as cleric), they don’t have to do so."

You need to have a Domain to take the Divine Scion prestige class. An Oracle or Paladin who don't even have domains could take this and select one of the domains granted by the deity.

So you worship a Deity that grants Glory, War, Strength, Good, and Sun. As cleric you can chose 2 of these and as a divine scion you can choose 1 of these where it could be a Domain you already have.


voska66 wrote:
KrispyXIV wrote:
voska66 wrote:
Took a Look, it's the Devine Scion Prestige Class.
The class does not grant a Domain.

Yes it does.

"At 3rd level, a divine scion selects a domain granted by her deity—this domain becomes the divine scion’s chosen specialization in representing her deity. Although most divine scions pick domains that they’ve gained from other classes (such as cleric), they don’t have to do so."

You need to have a Domain to take the Divine Scion prestige class. An Oracle or Paladin who don't even have domains could take this and select one of the domains granted by the deity.

So you worship a Deity that grants Glory, War, Strength, Good, and Sun. As cleric you can chose 2 of these and as a divine scion you can choose 1 of these where it could be a Domain you already have.

You select a domain and gain the listed benefits when casting spells which are Domain spells for that domain, as well as the listed benefits associated with the domain you chose.

You neither gain that domain as per the domain class feature, nor any of its benefits, as the class nowhere indicates you would do so. You simply select it for the explicit purposes of determining how Domain Specialization works.


voska66 wrote:


"At 3rd level, a divine scion selects a domain granted by her deity—this domain becomes the divine scion’s chosen specialization in representing her deity. Although most divine scions pick domains that they’ve gained from other classes (such as cleric), they don’t have to do so."
Druid wrote:


The first is a close tie to the natural world, granting the druid one of the following cleric domains: Air, Animal, Earth, Fire, Plant, Water, or Weather. When determining the powers and bonus spells granted by this domain, the druid's effective cleric level is equal to her druid level. A druid that selects this option also receives additional domain spell slots, just like a cleric. She must prepare the spell from her domain in this slot and this spell cannot be used to cast a spell spontaneously.
Inquisitor wrote:


Each domain grants a number of domain powers, depending on the level of the inquisitor. An inquisitor does not gain the bonus spells listed for each domain, nor does she gain bonus spell slots. The inquisitor uses her level as her effective cleric level when determining the power and effect of her domain powers. If the inquisitor has cleric levels, one of her two domain selections must be the same domain selected as an inquisitor. Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.

don't you think something is missing about the effectivness of this domain? What would be the use of selecting a domain you already have then? That would completely explode the ability.

No seriously, Divine Scion is not a way to have a third domain, but to have some flavor around one specific domain. Neither it's a way to have a domain if you are paladin.


You could go for a cleric/druid/inquisitor multiclass build and take different domains with each of them.

Not saying it's a GOOD idea, but it would give you a lot of domains.


Bascaria wrote:

You could go for a cleric/druid/inquisitor multiclass build and take different domains with each of them.

Not saying it's a GOOD idea, but it would give you a lot of domains.

Inquisitor/Clerics still only get 2 Domains; they have to overlap.

You could get a third from Druid AFAIK, and possibly another through paladin with the right archetype.


KrispyXIV wrote:
Bascaria wrote:

You could go for a cleric/druid/inquisitor multiclass build and take different domains with each of them.

Not saying it's a GOOD idea, but it would give you a lot of domains.

Inquisitor/Clerics still only get 2 Domains; they have to overlap.

You could get a third from Druid AFAIK, and possibly another through paladin with the right archetype.

Hmm... what happens if an inquisitor of Azmodeus is redeemed and becomes a born-again follower of Sarenrae and joins the clergy?


Bascaria wrote:
KrispyXIV wrote:
Bascaria wrote:

You could go for a cleric/druid/inquisitor multiclass build and take different domains with each of them.

Not saying it's a GOOD idea, but it would give you a lot of domains.

Inquisitor/Clerics still only get 2 Domains; they have to overlap.

You could get a third from Druid AFAIK, and possibly another through paladin with the right archetype.

Hmm... what happens if an inquisitor of Azmodeus is redeemed and becomes a born-again follower of Sarenrae and joins the clergy?

You talk to your DM about it first? :)

AFAIK, changing deities as a Cleric/Inquisitor is already houserule territory.


The more I read this less sense it makes. Seems you have to house rule it one way or the other.

So simplest is to do the following:

So as per the rule you pick a Domain. Now I house rule it that you get no domain power or domain spells. That's not said one way or the other in the rules. Then you get the spell like ability and bonus based off the Domain. If the Domain is a Domain you already have and you get Domain Spells, basically the cleric only here, you can cast those domain spell slots and heal at 2x the spell level.

Seems kind of weak to me personally but it is the simplest way and modifies the rules the least.

The next is you house rule that you if cast a any spell on the domain spell list you heal at 2x the spell level. And if the spell is not on your spell list add it to your spell list so if you cast it you gain the healing.

The next is you gain the Domain Powers as well. This one does seem a little too good.


voska66 wrote:

The more I read this less sense it makes. Seems you have to house rule it one way or the other.

So simplest is to do the following:

So as per the rule you pick a Domain. Now I house rule it that you get no domain power or domain spells. That's not said one way or the other in the rules. Then you get the spell like ability and bonus based off the Domain. If the Domain is a Domain you already have and you get Domain Spells, basically the cleric only here, you can cast those domain spell slots and heal at 2x the spell level.

Seems kind of weak to me personally but it is the simplest way and modifies the rules the least.

The next is you house rule that you if cast a any spell on the domain spell list you heal at 2x the spell level. And if the spell is not on your spell list add it to your spell list so if you cast it you gain the healing.

The next is you gain the Domain Powers as well. This one does seem a little too good.

You dont have to house rule anything. It works fine as its written. It sounds like you're wanting it to do more than it does.

You choose a domain; when you cast a spell listed as a domain spell for that domain, you heal twice its level. You gain a SLA and a skill bonus.

Thats all there is to it. If you chose a domain you dont have, then you're locking yourself out of the healing, but you still gain the SLA and skill bonus (losing the healing aspect is why its a bad idea to choose a domain you dont have, FYI).


Dren Everblack wrote:
If a GM wanted to house rule it - how many feats do you think an additional domain should be worth?

If they absolutely wanted to, it would have be something like this:

Additional Domain
"The strength of your faith provides you with additional divine power."

Prerequisites: Must be taken at 1st level, must have a patron deity, alignment must match deity's.

You gain a additional domain. You gain the 1st level power, and 1st level spell if you're a cleric or druid. You gain all other powers and spells four levels later than you normally would (Ex. gain the lv. 8 power at lv. 12).


Can't you get a third domain by taking a Druid level as a Cleric?


RumpinRufus wrote:
Can't you get a third domain by taking a Druid level as a Cleric?

If you give up a pet couldn't you take two from the druid?


P.S.: There's a reason more domains in 3.5 were accessed by epic level feats.


Finlanderboy wrote:
RumpinRufus wrote:
Can't you get a third domain by taking a Druid level as a Cleric?
If you give up a pet couldn't you take two from the druid?

A druid gets either a domain or an animal companion. So at most one domain (only exception I know of is the storm druid archetype that gets another domain later on)

Only druid levels count for the druid's domain, and only the druid's spell slot can be used for that domain's spells. Druid and cleric levels don't stack for domains.

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I apologize but I'm on the side that feels it says that the character can get an additional domain.

Although most divine scions pick domains that they’ve gained from other classes (such as cleric), they don’t have to do so.

Unless this is very awkwardly written, I think it is pretty clear that this is saying a character can pick a different domain then what they gained from another class, with the added detail most simply don't. Really what would be the point of it being written like this unless that was the intention?


Hello from 2013.

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Undead Thread wrote:
Hello from 2013.

Yeah I didn't notice that until after I posted, having done a search to see if there was a way of getting additional domains and stumbling on this thread.


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vmc cleric nets you an additional domain

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Lady-J wrote:
vmc cleric nets you an additional domain

Hmm, that is a more recent example thhat could work. Though a Cleric character can't take VMC Cleric can they? A class can't variant multiclassing with itself can it.


JonathonWilder wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
vmc cleric nets you an additional domain
Hmm, that is a more recent example thhat could work. Though a Cleric character can't take VMC Cleric can they? A class can't variant multiclassing with itself can it.

nope but will work for literally everything else including warpriest

Liberty's Edge

There's also the exalted prestige class if you're a straight cleric.


The Dandy Lion wrote:
There's also the exalted prestige class if you're a straight cleric.

theres only really like 2 or 3 prestige classes that are good the rest are terible


Resurrecting this thread!

I can't seem to find anyone talking about this in my searches, but the Umbral Stalker Inquisitor Archetype specifically says they get the Darkness Domain even if their god doesn't offer it.

So would a Cleric with two domains becomes an Umbral Stalker Inquisitor, would they not then get the Darkness Domain as a third bonus domain?

Silver Crusade

Nope. Good job resurrecting this old thread to ask your question, though!

Inquisitor wrote:
If the inquisitor has cleric levels, one of her two domain selections must be the same domain selected as an inquisitor. Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.


Magda Luckbender wrote:

Nope. Good job resurrecting this old thread to ask your question, though!

Inquisitor wrote:
If the inquisitor has cleric levels, one of her two domain selections must be the same domain selected as an inquisitor. Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.

the feat Believer's Boon is the closest I've found to gaining a domain (without being a class that already gets one). What it gives you is extremely limited and weak compared to simply gaining a whole domain. To the point that outside of taking it to meet the pre-reqs of another feat, it doesn't seem worth it.


The Ecclesitheurge archetype lets you swap out domain spell lists whenever you prepare spells for the day, so that might kinda work?


Shades of the Woodlands allows Druids access to the Death Domain.


VoodistMonk wrote:
Shades of the Woodlands allows Druids access to the Death Domain.

???

do you mean this feat?

all it does is swap all your fire spells for some undead themed spells it doesn't even give you create undead or create greater undead.

The blight druid archetype does allow you to select the death domain as an option for your nature bond.


That's right, it was the Blight Druid that gives the Death Domain, not that feat. I have a Blight Druid/Agent of the Grave, with that feat, so I got them mixed up... my bad.


LordKailas wrote:

the feat Believer's Boon is the closest I've found to gaining a domain (without being a class that already gets one). What it gives you is extremely limited and weak compared to simply gaining a whole domain. To the point that outside of taking it to meet the pre-reqs of another feat, it doesn't seem worth it.

Neither of the two feats are worth it, but Believer's Boon can find use if you're allowed to take subdomains with it. The Freedom subdomain's power is effectively an out-of-combat condition removal which affects anything that originally had a save.

So not a total waste if your party lacks a divine caster and you're expecting a lot of curses.


There's a prestige class that gives the Stars subdomain.


The EXALTED prestige class gives you access to a domain at 5th level:

Expanded Portfolio (Su) wrote:

At 5th level, the exalted further increases her already impressive knowledge of her chosen deity’s faith and is rewarded with increased powers in one of the spheres over which her deity holds sway. The exalted chooses a domain of her chosen deity to which she gains access, using her exalted level as her effective cleric level.

The exalted can also can use each of the chosen domain’s spells once per day as a spell-like ability, with a caster level equal to her exalted level. The exalted can use each spell-like ability only if she is able to cast divine spells of that level. If the exalted has any domain spell slots, she is also able to cast the chosen domain’s spells in those slots as normal.

You treat your PrC level as your cleric level for the domain, so it lags a little behind. You'll never be able to cast 6th level domain spells with it, but you do get access to the domain powers/etc.

I just realised that while it does retain full casting and give you access to a domain, the Exalted PrC doesn't progress any other domains you might have. So at level 20 (Cleric-10/Exalted-10) you'd end up with 3 domains all with an effective cleric level of 10 (again no 6th level domain spell-slots).


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