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I read somewhere that all the non-retired mods are up for revision to PFRPG in the near future. Is there a schedule of any sort that might give us some sense of which ones will be coming first? and when?
In addition to real info on this from the Paizo folks, let's just have discussion of which ones most need it and which ones folks would most like to see get the PF treatment.
Cheers, Eelario
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I read somewhere that all the non-retired mods are up for revision to PFRPG in the near future. Is there a schedule of any sort that might give us some sense of which ones will be coming first? and when?
In addition to real info on this from the Paizo folks, let's just have discussion of which ones most need it and which ones folks would most like to see get the PF treatment.
Cheers, Eelario
Last I heard is they're doing them when they have time, and that there is no timeline.
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Oh, one other question: Is Mists (#5) the only one that's been converted so far?
** spoiler omitted **
It is so far. I think we might be seeing some more of these soon*
*not based on any actual knowledge on my part.
I think you mean Soon (TM).
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We do plan on getting season 0 scenarios updated as time permits but finding that time is much harder than you'd think. And when push comes to shove, we're almost always going to prioritize the present and future of the campaign over revisiting or revising the past. So be patient, and you're likely to see something. But what and when that something is even I don't currently know.
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We do plan on getting season 0 scenarios updated as time permits but finding that time is much harder than you'd think. And when push comes to shove, we're almost always going to prioritize the present and future of the campaign over revisiting or revising the past. So be patient, and you're likely to see something. But what and when that something is even I don't currently know.
Mark, would you be interested in having the modules updated in a manner similar to the open call? You have a large community that I believe would be only too willing to help.
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Mark, would you be interested in having the modules updated in a manner similar to the open call? You have a large community that I believe would be only too willing to help.
I don't think it's the lack of willing folks to help, it's more so the strict, intensive editing and revision process that must be followed. From what I understand, it's not something that is easily picked up, especially with the adherence to tight standards. And considering that there is A LOT on the plate of M&M currently, Season 0 revisions are not at the top of the list. While I have faith they will be done, playing catch-up on some of the things that had to be sacrificed while Mark held down two jobs is more pressing to the campaign.
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Mark, would you be interested in having the modules updated in a manner similar to the open call? You have a large community that I believe would be only too willing to help.I don't think it's the lack of willing folks to help, it's more so the strict, intensive editing and revision process that must be followed. From what I understand, it's not something that is easily picked up, especially with the adherence to tight standards. And considering that there is A LOT on the plate of M&M currently, Season 0 revisions are not at the top of the list. While I have faith they will be done, playing catch-up on some of the things that had to be sacrificed while Mark held down two jobs is more pressing to the campaign.
Joe's got it correct. It's not so much that we couldn't get volunteers or even paid freelancers to update them for us, it's that those updated scenarios would need to go through development, layout, and editing, all on top of the already full production schedule we have for new material. We're looking into ways of getting them done, but don't yet have any plans we can announce or a timeline we can give.
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Thanks for the responses, ya'll. Now on to the other subject...
In addition to real info on this from the Paizo folks, let's just have discussion of which ones most need it and which ones folks would most like to see get the PF treatment./DISCUSS
In order of Importance to the History of the Campaign (my opinion, of course):
Silent Tide
Among the Living
Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch
Black Waters
Tide of Morning
Slave Pits of Absalom
Then the most important would be finishing out the Tier 1-x modules, moving on to the 5-9s, then do the 7-11s.
In short, they should all be done. Honestly, these are all "playable" as they stand, but as a coordinator I can tell you that it is harder to get people to play in these than it is to get them to play in Season 1 through 3. Having asked people why this is, the answer is that players feel there is something about playing v3.5 rather than PFRPG that is "incorrect."
This was illustrated by the number of people who came out of the woodwork requesting me to run Mists of Mwangi when it was converted. I'd tried to run it before the conversion and got nearly no interest. The two games I scheduled after it converted I filled within a couple days of announcing.
I know it has been said that this is further down the list of "important items" than nearly everything else, but I don't think the importance of their availability (converted to PFRPG) should be underestimated.
[/Edit] By the way, it was a lot easier to get people to play Tide of Morning and Silent Tide after the two "sister modules" were announced earlier this month. It was fun to schedule the companions back to back on a Saturday and watch as people clamored for one story line or another. Well done on that, Mark. Continue that kind of thing, if conversions are being shuffled down the "to do" list.
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In order of Importance to the History of the Campaign (my opinion, of course):
Silent Tide
Among the Living
Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch
Black Waters
Tide of Morning
Slave Pits of AbsalomThen the most important would be finishing out the Tier 1-x modules, moving on to the 5-9s, then do the 7-11s.
To this list I would add The Hydra's Fang Incident... would love to see what replaces the
In short, they should all be done.
This is true. Most of these are classics now, and timeless for PFS play. I recognize how important it is to keep moving forward with newer product, but some of these would fill the gap for scenarios of their appropriate tier to buy some time. Heck, some of them could benefit from being reconfigured to a Tier 3-7, such as Decline of Glory and Among the Living.
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unofficial, but speaking of Decline of Glory tier 6-7: google doc
save's on editing /layout =) and its mostly accurate.
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Vinyc, I'm not Seraphimpunk, but I can tell you why I appreciate his conversions, unofficial as they are.
"Pathfinder Society" isn't an either/or sort of thing. Unlike almost any other organized play environment, PFS is a collection of professionally written, developed, edited and published adventures. Some people play them in home games, some people take the scenarios apart and use the individual elements in their own adventures.
Nobody's claiming that his contributions are official, approved by Mark for use in PFS. But they are useful for all sorts of other venues. Appreciate them for what they are.
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If he is providing a convenient handout to adapt these to a PFRPG homegame then he should post them to the homebrew section of the forums and not the PFS section.
I understand your reasons, but I respectfully disagree. If I were looking to play a legal Pathfinder (not PFS) campaign, using PFS Season Zero scenarios, this is where I'd look for NPC statistics for those scenarios.
Don’t think that you the participant are a special exception, and able to alter things that you are unhappy/disagree with.
Seraphimpunk can speak for himself on this matter. But it strikes me that he is providing a useful service, on his own time, and you are attributing an arrogance to him that I find unwarranted.
Is it possible that you're over-reacting?
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Thanks, Seraphimpunk, for posting these unofficial updates; they will be of great use to anyone running the scenarios for non-PFS use (like myself). You obviously put some work into them, and its cool stuff like this that keeps me on the forums. :)
And thank-you as well for making sure to post them as unofficial; the PFS GMs that frequent these threads would never make that mistake, but it's always good to cover all the bases. As Vinyc points out, there are new PFS players on here all the time.
Vinyc, with respect, I think that Seraphimpunk has made the unofficial nature of these updates pretty clear. I don't think we should discourage this kind of player contribution. I personally think this kind of player involvement is excellent, and should be encouraged.
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pfs #13 Prince of Augustana unofficial conversion
Seraphim, one little errata
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I posted them because I thought that the changes made fell within the changes allowed by GMs running the year 0 mods. I mainly combined the Stealth and Perception skills. In most cases I did also list things that classes would have in a direct conversion (i.e. adding bravery, listing other feats, channel energy for clerics ). i recognize that that goes beyond the simple changes allowed but it also provides a springboard. i hope that by providing these fan conversions, unofficial as they are, it will help the people at paizo who are working on the conversions with a faster turnaround time if some of the legwork is done ahead of time for them.
I'm also listing them in the GM Discussion area, not the general area.
Though I already list them as unofficial conversions I'll be sure to include which changes are legal for PFS use (ie. the straight conversion with CMB / skills ), and which I would suggest for use in a home game ( like having run pfs #4 again recently, i'd totally change the
I didn't intend them as illegal conversions, I intended them as a reference document for the changes. In version 3.0.3 of the PFS guide, there was no guideline that GMs couldn't update the scenario to Pathfinder, so when I initially started converting them it was for society use, and I posted them so that other gms didn't have to do their own conversion or run games with 3.5 stats.
Only the new copy of the guide lists a section on Adapting Previous Seasons, and I didn't realize it was now limited to just CMB/CMD and skill changes.
I'm still going to post unofficial conversions, and "official conversions" with just the CMB/CMD and skill changes listed, as well as callouts when a pathfinder monster can be substituted for a 3.5 monster. They're useful.
To the players that I've run "converted" scenarios from, none have died, and none have objected to clerics being able to channel or one or two more hit points on an NPC. all have had fun and none are worse for it. But now I know, so i'll just run the "official conversions"
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whoa. tone it down. i'm not using version 3 to run my games. I'm using v4. I've read it over before, but even experts can miss a line thats important.
And for your information i started these conversions over a year ago. when what i was doing was perfectly legitimate. I posted them here because I saw some resurging interest in a focused set of revised statistics.
And Mark didn't say he didn't want help, or even that the conversions would be coming soon. He's not soliciting help, and they have their process.thats fine but people will still want to run season zero mods, and they'll want to run them without doing conversions in their head.
The society can still pool together and have listed reference resources that are legitimate without a fully re-written module. Thats all I'm trying to provide. I don't know where you're getting comments like "the general membership just spamming ideas on the board". As far as I know, I'm the only person that's come forward and offered up a conversion for a module. I was contacted by paizo to remove Tactics text from the uploaded files, but they didn't instruct me to take them down. As far as i can tell, they don't have a problem with me posting these here. You seem to be the only person complaining. So i don't get what your beef is, you seem to consider the rest of your fellow pathfinder society members too ill equipped to make a judgement as to whether or not to use something labelled "unofficial" for society play.