Items can be used to qualify for feats, however this sort use activated magic item doesn't allow you to cast spells -- what you want is a ring of spell storing with dimension door stored in it.
Items can be used to qualify for feats, however this sort use activated magic item doesn't allow you to cast spells -- what you want is a ring of spell storing with dimension door stored in it.
Wait, really? I'm not saying you are wrong, especially since the ring says "cast," but this opens a whole can of worms. Could someone with such a ring take Arcane Strike, for example? Qualify for a prestige class? I know it is a gray area with stat enhancing items, but this seems like it would go a bit too far.
Regardless, Abe is right in that a Cape of the Mountebank or similar item can't be used to acquire this feat. However, as a house rule, feel free to go nuts. The feat chain is so extreme that I doubt it would be a problem.
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Could someone with such a ring [of spell storing] take Arcane Strike, for example? Qualify for a prestige class? I know it is a gray area with stat enhancing items, but this seems like it would go a bit too far.
Yeah, why not. Taking the Arcane Strike feat for a measly +1 using a tiny fraction of the ring's magic sounds plausible. Alas, it's so circumstantial and non-munchkiny that I'd allow it.
Pretige classes? Go for them. Then lose the ring or have it stolen or dip it in antimagic stuff. Or face one too many rust monsters. I'd say gain as many negative levels as pretige class levels plus loss of all the benefits of the prestige class.
So, yeah, there is some munchkin combo potential there, but it's quite risky and circumstantial IMHO. Plus the GM can play the same tricks he'd use for getting rid of the arcane-bonded staff of that pesky squishy wizard.
Regardless, Abe is right in that a Cape of the Mountebank or similar item can't be used to acquire this feat. However, as a house rule, feel free to go nuts. The feat chain is so extreme that I doubt it would be a problem.
Yup. I'd happily overlook the fact that it's not strictly casting the dimension door.
Yes the ring could qualify you for prestige classes, feats, and what have you.
I sincerely hope you have someone to supply you what you need to keep using that ring though, because if you use the spell in it then you have a feat you cannot use until you get another one cast in it for you to use.
Yeah it can be a bit powerful in specific cases I guess... just don't lose your ring or source of spells or you will have lost all the feats you sunk into using it.
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Yeah it can be a bit powerful in specific cases I guess... just don't lose your ring or source of spells or you will have lost all the feats you sunk into using it.
The most powerful combo I can think of right now is a 6th-level wizard / 1st level cleric using such a ring with a 2nd level divine spell loaded, using it to get early access to the Mystic Theurge prestige class. Why 7th level? Because until then you don't have enough wealth for a ring of spell storing.
Basically, at level 10 you'd be a 9th level wizard plus 4th level cleric minus a ring slot, instead of 7th wiz / 4th cleric. I can see the advantage at not having to suck through two levels of cleric. But, lose the ring (or discharge it, or temporarily dispel it) and you lose all those nifty theurge levels.
The bigger the rise, the harder the fall, as they say.
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See, I'm not so sure about that. I was always under the impression that an item granting access to a feat/attribute value/skill/spells wouldn't let you meet prerequisites for feats or prestige classes. It seems way to easy to circumvent rules that way. If this was the case, a Drow would meet the prerequisites for some prestige classes (namely dragon disciple, or arcane archer) simply for being a drow. (they cast as sorcerers, and Faerie Fire is a 1st level spell.) Most of these bonuses are considered temporary bonuses and the types of bonuses needed for feats/classes etc. seem they'd need to be more permanent. I could be wrong, but that just seems like it's stretching the rules for personal benefit "it doesn't say I CAN'T do it." kind of thing.
Actually no a drow doesn't -- a drow doesn't cast arcane spells (they have spell like abilities completely different things) and doesn't do so spontaneously.
A Rakasha does however and would qualify from his base stats alone.
Also just because you can use the item doesn't mean you'll get much from doing so -- you don't have a class with spell casting so you can't gain that part (the Rakasha can because they have a sorcerer level for the purposes of casting spells) and if you ever lose the item you are stuck until you find another one.
Basically, at level 10 you'd be a 9th level wizard plus 4th level cleric minus a ring slot, instead of 7th wiz / 4th cleric. I can see the advantage at not having to suck through two levels of cleric. But, lose the ring (or discharge it, or temporarily dispel it) and you lose all those nifty theurge levels.
Umm... why? The monent you hit that 2nd level of MT, you are able to cast 2nd level divine spells, right?
So, basically, the PrC pretty much sustains itself...
Basically, at level 10 you'd be a 9th level wizard plus 4th level cleric minus a ring slot, instead of 7th wiz / 4th cleric. I can see the advantage at not having to suck through two levels of cleric. But, lose the ring (or discharge it, or temporarily dispel it) and you lose all those nifty theurge levels.Umm... why? The monent you hit that 2nd level of MT, you are able to cast 2nd level divine spells, right?
So, basically, the PrC pretty much sustains itself...
When a new mystic theurge level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in any one arcane spellcasting class he belonged to before he added the prestige class and any one divine spellcasting class he belonged to previously.
So you don't add to anything because you didn't belong to the class before you got the prestige class -- you qualify for levels, but those levels aren't going to do anything for you.
Just like I said earlier.
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Items can be used to qualify for feats, however this sort use activated magic item doesn't allow you to cast spells -- what you want is a ring of spell storing with dimension door stored in it.
What is stopping a rogue (or anyone else) with a high UMD score from keeping scrolls of d-door around stating that he can cast it to keep the feat? this also opens up owning wands to qualify for feats that require spell casting (but not caster levels).
Personally, I do not view casting via magic item as casting for the purpose of feats. Just like how temporary stat bonuses do not allow you to qualify for feats (need a permanent bonus, like wearing a belt of strength for more then 24 hours to qualify for power attack).
So a 1st Level Cleric / 1st Level Wizard loaned two Ring of Spell Storing (Minor) and hold onto the rings until 2nd Level Mystic Theurge - So I need leadership with a low Charisma to start the Cohort off at 2nd level... (I wonder if my GM will let this fly... me thinks not)
Edit - Seeing if Imbue with Spell Ability will work for the Mage Cohort of my Cleric :)
Hey whatever works in your campaign.
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Items can be used to qualify for feats, however this sort use activated magic item doesn't allow you to cast spells -- what you want is a ring of spell storing with dimension door stored in it.
Would you allow the use of metamagic feats to adjust how the spell is cast from the ring? For example, if you had a ring of spell storing with magic missile, would you allow a character with the merciful metamagic to make the ring fire merciful magic missiles?
If yes, then they are truly casting from the ring..
If no, then they are not truly casting from the ring to count for the feat..
Items can be used to qualify for feats, however this sort use activated magic item doesn't allow you to cast spells -- what you want is a ring of spell storing with dimension door stored in it.Would you allow the use of metamagic feats to adjust how the spell is cast from the ring? For example, if you had a ring of spell storing with magic missile, would you allow a character with the merciful metamagic to make the ring fire merciful magic missiles?
If yes, then they are truly casting from the ring..
If no, then they are not truly casting from the ring to count for the feat..
If it was stored in the ring with the metamagic feat, or they were using a rod of metamagic. You can't cast a spell you already prepared with metamagic unless you prepared it with metamagic.
But again -- see the difference between what you can do and what you should do.
So you don't add to anything because you didn't belong to the class before you got the prestige class -- you qualify for levels, but those levels aren't going to do anything for you.
But I did. The build in question was Wiz4/Clr1 before taking any levels in MT, with the level 2 divine spellcasting ability given by the ring...