Staggered Condition

[Hairy Legs in the Dark]

I understand the staggered condition to be this...
"A staggered creature may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions). A staggered creature can still take swift and immediate actions."

So does this mean while staggered, if you take a standard action, you cant also take a 5 foot step?
Thanks!

[Sekret_One]

Assuming that standard action didn't involve movement (like a staggering charge) yes.

[Ganymede425]

I agree. The Staggered condition only keeps you from using a move and a standard in the same round (or combining them into a full round action). You can still do everything you normally could in a round outside of this restriction.

[Hairy Legs in the Dark]

But thats where it gets a bit unrealistic. You see if you cant take a 5ft step then standard to attack, cause its a move action then a standard action and you can only do either. Then how can you still charge from even further away than the above example and attack by using the charge limited to standard action?
Its a hard one! Can anyone nut it or is it a bit of a flaw?

[Stynkk]

A 5 foot step is not an action.* Thus, you may take a 5 foot step while staggered.

*This is listed in the Action Table in the combat chapter.

[Starglim]

At minimum, it's not a move action. I agree that this should work.

[Hairy Legs in the Dark]

Awesome....so SLOW isnt as sexy as it sounds!
5ft step is a "miscellaneous" action....new action to me!
Thanks guys!

[Sean Mahoney]

Hairy Legs in the Dark wrote:

Awesome....so SLOW isnt as sexy as it sounds!

Slow is fantastic, even with this ruling. Especially if you are fighting something that has a full attack routine... they can't do it. That's huge.

[gbonehead]

Sean Mahoney wrote:

Hairy Legs in the Dark wrote:

Awesome....so SLOW isnt as sexy as it sounds!

Slow is fantastic, even with this ruling. Especially if you are fighting something that has a full attack routine... they can't do it. That's huge.

Yes. Staggering a high-level fighter, especially one who specializes in crit effects, is huge.

So huge that I use it only rarely; specific creatures have Staggering or Stunning Critical, even though in reality every creature with half a brain would take it once it qualified. Especially one with multiple attacks. Kraken with Stunning Critical, anyone?