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The monk weapons in the core rule book are clear. The monk weapons introduced in the APG all state that monks are proficient in them. The weapons in UC do not. Am I missing something or do monks have to burn a feat to use these effectively?
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RAW? Feat.
RAI? probably proficient.
no word from on high yet.
though i've seen what a monk with a d10 two handed setsukan (no i don't check spelling i'm american) does in our local pfs games: A boat load of damage. at 1st level. Balance wise, i guess you SHOULD need a feat for most of the weapons.
consult your GM, he might be willing to barter proficiency in some monk weapons for one you want. =D
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though i've seen what a monk with a d10 two handed setsukan does in our local pfs games: A boat load of damage. at 1st level. Balance wise, i guess you SHOULD need a feat for most of the weapons.
....balls, did they really screw up every weapon in Ultimate Combat?
Sansetsukon (tri-part staff) should be a double-weapon, not a two-handed one. d10? Hah. More like d6/d6.
Oh well, catering to the crowd that clamors for multi-attack at first level.
(A d10 weapon will fall behind a monk's fists at 12th; 7th if he buys Monk's Robes; even earlier with Elemental Fist.)
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(A d10 weapon will fall behind a monk's fists at 12th; 7th if he buys Monk's Robes; even earlier with Elemental Fist.)
yes... but its can be enchanted cheaper, used in flurry, and its a weapon that will last until 7th or 12th level ( perfect for Society play ), while every other weapon falls behind as soon as monks unarmed strike does d8 at 4th level. so that's at least 3 extra levels of smashey-smashey fun. =)
i house rule monk weapons to always use monk unarmed strike damage as they progress. otherwise there's not much point of a high level monk touching a weapon.
i house rule monk weapons to always use monk unarmed strike damage as they progress. otherwise there's not much point of a high level monk touching a weapon.
Sai, Nunchauku, etc get a nice +2 bonus to disarm attempts.
Kusarigama gets reach... Mmm... Flurry with Reach.
There are always reasons to have a monk weapon even when your unarmed strike damage is bigger.
This is why I love these boards. I was about to post the very same question, since the monk in my campaign was asking for a +1 cestus and I was trying to figure out if he was proficient without a feat.
I tend to rely heavily on the online SRD due to hyperlink/search happiness (and accessibility at work) but it was unclear if the monk had proficiency with any weapon that had the "monk" designation. The class description online only has the core weapons listed.
Some, such as the cestus, hanbo or the tonfa seem like they should be, but the nine-ring broadsword seems like it should require a feat.
I guess I have to open the actual book and look for the extra description. Otherwise, he will have to suffer the whims of the DM's decisions.
I figure if they dont specificaly say monks are proficent, and its not on the monk entry, then they need to take the feats. The "monk" attribute on the weapon only refers to it being able to be used with monk special abilities like flurry, not that monks can use it for free.
I FAQ'd this one. While I believe it is the intent there is nothing in any of the books to suggest that this is the case.
I figure if they dont specificaly say monks are proficent, and its not on the monk entry, then they need to take the feats. The "monk" attribute on the weapon only refers to it being able to be used with monk special abilities like flurry, not that monks can use it for free.
Agreed. Though worthy of clarification.
I figure if they dont specificaly say monks are proficent, and its not on the monk entry, then they need to take the feats. The "monk" attribute on the weapon only refers to it being able to be used with monk special abilities like flurry, not that monks can use it for free.
That´s absolutely right.
No free proficiency with exotic weapons as far as i can read.Neither in the APG or UC mentioned.
Monk: A monk weapon can be used by a monk to perform a flurry of blows.
The unarmed fghter gets them for free though, what i think a bit strange.
So yes FAQ please, because the monk gets proficiency in the original monk weapons.
This has been posted in the FAQ:
If a weapon is specified as a monk weapon, does that mean that monks are automatically proficient with that weapon?
No. It means that they can use this weapon while using flurry of blows. It does not mean that it is added to the list of weapons that a monk is proficient with, unless the weapon description says otherwise.
—Stephen Radney-MacFarland
So its quite useful for monks to dip a level in unarmed fighter maybe.
This has been posted in the FAQ:
If a weapon is specified as a monk weapon, does that mean that monks are automatically proficient with that weapon?
No. It means that they can use this weapon while using flurry of blows. It does not mean that it is added to the list of weapons that a monk is proficient with, unless the weapon description says otherwise.
—Stephen Radney-MacFarland
Is there actually a site where all the FAQ´s are gathered?
If so i could not find it yet.
This has been posted in the FAQ:
If a weapon is specified as a monk weapon, does that mean that monks are automatically proficient with that weapon?
No. It means that they can use this weapon while using flurry of blows. It does not mean that it is added to the list of weapons that a monk is proficient with, unless the weapon description says otherwise.
—Stephen Radney-MacFarland
Is there actually a site where all the FAQ´s are gathered?
If so i could not find it yet.
All FAQ's, no. However, FAQ's for each book are on the product's page...just click on the tab "FAQ". Same tabs you will find "Review" and "Discussion".
Greg
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I figure if they dont specificaly say monks are proficent, and its not on the monk entry, then they need to take the feats. The "monk" attribute on the weapon only refers to it being able to be used with monk special abilities like flurry, not that monks can use it for free.That´s absolutely right.
No free proficiency with exotic weapons as far as i can read.
Neither in the APG or UC mentioned.Monk: A monk weapon can be used by a monk to perform a flurry of blows.
The unarmed fghter gets them for free though, what i think a bit strange.
So yes FAQ please, because the monk gets proficiency in the original monk weapons.
So, a Temple Sword is a "monk weapon" and monks are proficient in it, and therefore it can be used in a flurry, at first level. I don't like that, as they kept all the flurry weapons to 1d6 previously, with a standard critical threat. Now with the temple sword it is 1d8, crit threat of 19-20, and a monk looks more like a fighter with a big-ass sword than a monk.
Makes me wonder if they thought this through.
House rule for me: flurry is only with the Core rules monk weapons...
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.... And the Sansetsukon does 1d10 with the increased threat range!
I also rule for my game that to do a flurry with monk weapons you need to have two of them or a two-handed weapon. After all, under the flurry description it says,
"one additional attack using any combination of unarmed strikes or attacks with a special monk weapon (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham) as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat"
And under that feat it explicitly states you must use two weapons: "Two-Weapon Fighting (Combat) - You can fight with a weapon wielded in each of your hands. You can make one extra attack each round with the secondary weapon."
I think this interpretation is consistent with the rules. So, by this interpretation, a monk could not use a two handed weapon in a flurry (though of course he or she could use a double weapon). There's still the problem with the temple sword. According to the rules and faq, and my interpretation above, a monk with two temple swords could use them in a flurry at the full flurry adjustments.
I think this is an error, and that because of the nature of the two-weapon fighting feat, only light monk weapons and shuriken should be allowed in a flurry.
Is there actually a site where all the FAQ´s are gathered?
If so i could not find it yet.
All FAQ's, no. However, FAQ's for each book are on the product's page...just click on the tab "FAQ". Same tabs you will find "Review" and "Discussion".
Greg
I just started a quest for a FAQ page.
You are welcome to join:
FAQ petition
As posted above, monks are not proficient with all monk weapons.
Only those mentioned in their proficiencies.
The description "monk" on a weapon only means they can flurry with them, even if they are two-handed.
I don´t like the fact that the unarmed fighter gets proficiency with so many exotic weapons and the monk not either, but then, i don´t like the "exotic weapons" descriptor either.
Flurry with a two-handed weapon with high damage?
If the guy wants to spend a feat for it, why not?
Fighters would deal a ton of damage too or babarians with martial weapons.
Unarmed fighter doesn´t have flurry of blows. so thats balanced somehow.
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@Michael New
Do you really hate monks right?
Oh and by the way the "as if TWF" part is mentioned for you to figure out the penalty and the number of attacks and that is crystal clear.
And yes from the begining a monk could get the -1/+3 ratio of power attack (by using a staff) but since the APG they can do it by using a much better weapon (the temple sword).
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@Michael New
Do you really hate monks right?Oh and by the way the "as if TWF" part is mentioned for you to figure out the penalty and the number of attacks and that is crystal clear.
And yes from the begining a monk could get the -1/+3 ratio of power attack (by using a staff) but since the APG they can do it by using a much better weapon (the temple sword).
Actually, I really like monks. :-) They are light fighters, but with more skills.
I just think they could have made these things more clear so that we wouldn't have to argue about them... It's clear to me and it's clear to you, but we both get a different result.
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@Michael New
Do you really hate monks right?Oh and by the way the "as if TWF" part is mentioned for you to figure out the penalty and the number of attacks and that is crystal clear.
And yes from the begining a monk could get the -1/+3 ratio of power attack (by using a staff) but since the APG they can do it by using a much better weapon (the temple sword).Actually, I really like monks. :-) They are light fighters, but with more skills.
I just think they could have made these things more clear so that we wouldn't have to argue about them... It's clear to me and it's clear to you, but we both get a different result.
Except by your rulings a monk can't flurry with his fist since you are arguing needing a weapon in each hand.
Also very few DMs if any would get your result.
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Wow. No. Just no.
My monk could still flurry even if both arms and one leg were broken. He would just use his good leg for all attacks.
He still needs one leg? Freeborn Pansy.
Who said I needed it? I could flurry with hard stares and defeat my enemies!
