paizo.com Recent Posts in questions about Synthesistpaizo.com Recent Posts in questions about Synthesist2011-10-08T01:00:25Z2011-10-08T01:00:25ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: questions about Synthesistcphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mygj?questions-about-Synthesist#62011-10-09T20:31:17Z2011-10-09T20:31:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Artanthos wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">cp wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wingermage wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I have three questions about Synthesist (from Ultimate Magic)</p>
<p>1. can a Synthesist take power attack as he fulfills the pre-requisite of str 13 when fused with an eidolon (his str is 7,but he can keep the str 13 longer than 24 hours)?
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2. can a Synthesist take the feats like Improved Natural Attack to Improve his Eidolon form natural attacks?
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3. can a Synthesist take Extra Evolution feat?
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</blockquote><p>yes.
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no.
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I don't know. </blockquote><p>2. No with PFS characters. Yes pretty much everywhere else. PFS won't allow you to access monster feats even if your character otherwise meets the requirements.
<p>3. Technically, no. You no longer have the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner#TOC-Eidolon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i>Eidolon</i></a> class feature. You have the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner/archetypes/paizo—-summoner-archetypes/synthesist" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i>Fused Eidolon</i></a> class feature. This is not just a question of the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/extra-evolution" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i>Extra Evolution</i></a> feat. For example, when combined with the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner/eidolons" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i>Skilled</i></a> evolution + <i><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/vigilant-eidolon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Vigilant Eidolon</i></a> feat, you can easily manage a 16+ starting perception. Potentially very unbalancing, especially if you dip into rogue for the trapspotter talent or buy some of the enhanced senses you can access.
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</blockquote><p>+1Artanthos wrote:cp wrote: wingermage wrote:I have three questions about Synthesist (from Ultimate Magic)
1. can a Synthesist take power attack as he fulfills the pre-requisite of str 13 when fused with an eidolon (his str is 7,but he can keep the str 13 longer than 24 hours)?
2. can a Synthesist take the feats like Improved Natural Attack to Improve his Eidolon form natural attacks?
3. can a Synthesist take Extra Evolution feat?
yes.
no.
I don't know. 2. No with PFS characters. Yes pretty...cp2011-10-09T20:31:17ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: questions about SynthesistArtanthos (alias of Michael Sumrall)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mygj?questions-about-Synthesist#52011-10-08T03:58:36Z2011-10-08T03:58:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">cp wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wingermage wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I have three questions about Synthesist (from Ultimate Magic)</p>
<p>1. can a Synthesist take power attack as he fulfills the pre-requisite of str 13 when fused with an eidolon (his str is 7,but he can keep the str 13 longer than 24 hours)?
<br />
2. can a Synthesist take the feats like Improved Natural Attack to Improve his Eidolon form natural attacks?
<br />
3. can a Synthesist take Extra Evolution feat?
<br />
</blockquote><p>yes.
</p>
no.
<br />
I don't know. </blockquote><p>2. No with PFS characters. Yes pretty much everywhere else. PFS won't allow you to access monster feats even if your character otherwise meets the requirements.
<p>3. Technically, no. You no longer have the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner#TOC-Eidolon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i>Eidolon</i></a> class feature. You have the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner/archetypes/paizo—-summoner-archetypes/synthesist" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i>Fused Eidolon</i></a> class feature. This is not just a question of the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/extra-evolution" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i>Extra Evolution</i></a> feat. For example, when combined with the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/summoner/eidolons" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><i>Skilled</i></a> evolution + <i><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/vigilant-eidolon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Vigilant Eidolon</i></a> feat, you can easily manage a 16+ starting perception. Potentially very unbalancing, especially if you dip into rogue for the trapspotter talent or buy some of the enhanced senses you can access.</p>cp wrote:wingermage wrote:I have three questions about Synthesist (from Ultimate Magic)
1. can a Synthesist take power attack as he fulfills the pre-requisite of str 13 when fused with an eidolon (his str is 7,but he can keep the str 13 longer than 24 hours)?
2. can a Synthesist take the feats like Improved Natural Attack to Improve his Eidolon form natural attacks?
3. can a Synthesist take Extra Evolution feat?
yes.
no.
I don't know. 2. No with PFS characters. Yes pretty much everywhere...Artanthos (alias of Michael Sumrall)2011-10-08T03:58:36ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: questions about SynthesistDavid Thomassenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mygj?questions-about-Synthesist#42011-10-08T02:52:36Z2011-10-08T02:52:36Z<p>Yes. You will not be able to use it at times where you don't have 13 strength.
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Yes. As above, but with natural attacks rather than strength.
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Yes, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/ultimateMagicFeats.html#extra-evolution" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><b>Extra Evolution</b></a> is taken by the Summoner, not the Eidolon, so you still qualify for this feat(Prerequisite: Eidolon class feature.)</p>
<p>But I can see where Ravingdork is coming from, as the Synthesist's class ability name is "Fused Eidolon" and it replaces "This ability replaces the class's eidolon ability, bond senses, and life bond.", but I believe he is being too harsh.</p>Yes. You will not be able to use it at times where you don't have 13 strength.
Yes. As above, but with natural attacks rather than strength.
Yes, Extra Evolution is taken by the Summoner, not the Eidolon, so you still qualify for this feat(Prerequisite: Eidolon class feature.)
But I can see where Ravingdork is coming from, as the Synthesist's class ability name is "Fused Eidolon" and it replaces "This ability replaces the class's eidolon ability, bond senses, and life bond.", but I believe...David Thomassen2011-10-08T02:52:36ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: questions about SynthesistRavingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mygj?questions-about-Synthesist#32011-10-08T02:14:01Z2011-10-08T02:14:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">wingermage wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I have three questions about Synthesist (from Ultimate Magic)</p>
<p>1. can a Synthesist take power attack as he fulfills the pre-requisite of str 13 when fused with an eidolon (his str is 7,but he can keep the str 13 longer than 24 hours)?
<br />
2. can a Synthesist take the feats like Improved Natural Attack to Improve his Eidolon form natural attacks?
<br />
3. can a Synthesist take Extra Evolution feat?
<br />
</blockquote><p>Yes. You will not be able to use it at times where you don't have 13 strength.
</p>
Yes. As above, but with natural attacks rather than strength.
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No. You no longer qualify for the feat (you switched out your class ability for another).</p>wingermage wrote:I have three questions about Synthesist (from Ultimate Magic)
1. can a Synthesist take power attack as he fulfills the pre-requisite of str 13 when fused with an eidolon (his str is 7,but he can keep the str 13 longer than 24 hours)?
2. can a Synthesist take the feats like Improved Natural Attack to Improve his Eidolon form natural attacks?
3. can a Synthesist take Extra Evolution feat?
Yes. You will not be able to use it at times where you don't have 13 strength.
Yes. As...Ravingdork2011-10-08T02:14:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: questions about Synthesistcphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mygj?questions-about-Synthesist#22011-10-08T02:08:07Z2011-10-08T02:08:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">wingermage wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I have three questions about Synthesist (from Ultimate Magic)</p>
<p>1. can a Synthesist take power attack as he fulfills the pre-requisite of str 13 when fused with an eidolon (his str is 7,but he can keep the str 13 longer than 24 hours)?
<br />
2. can a Synthesist take the feats like Improved Natural Attack to Improve his Eidolon form natural attacks?
<br />
3. can a Synthesist take Extra Evolution feat?
<br />
</blockquote><p>yes.
</p>
no.
<br />
I don't know.</p>wingermage wrote:I have three questions about Synthesist (from Ultimate Magic)
1. can a Synthesist take power attack as he fulfills the pre-requisite of str 13 when fused with an eidolon (his str is 7,but he can keep the str 13 longer than 24 hours)?
2. can a Synthesist take the feats like Improved Natural Attack to Improve his Eidolon form natural attacks?
3. can a Synthesist take Extra Evolution feat?
yes.
no.
I don't know.cp2011-10-08T02:08:07ZForums: Rules Questions: questions about Synthesistwingermagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mygj?questions-about-Synthesist#12011-10-08T01:00:25Z2011-10-08T01:00:25Z<p>I have three questions about Synthesist (from Ultimate Magic)</p>
<p>1. can a Synthesist take power attack as he fulfills the pre-requisite of str 13 when fused with an eidolon (his str is 7,but he can keep the str 13 longer than 24 hours)?
<br />
2. can a Synthesist take the feats like Improved Natural Attack to Improve his Eidolon form natural attacks?
<br />
3. can a Synthesist take Extra Evolution feat?</p>I have three questions about Synthesist (from Ultimate Magic)
1. can a Synthesist take power attack as he fulfills the pre-requisite of str 13 when fused with an eidolon (his str is 7,but he can keep the str 13 longer than 24 hours)?
2. can a Synthesist take the feats like Improved Natural Attack to Improve his Eidolon form natural attacks?
3. can a Synthesist take Extra Evolution feat?wingermage2011-10-08T01:00:25Z