paizo.com Recent Posts in Spiritual Weapon Stacks With Inspire Couragepaizo.com Recent Posts in Spiritual Weapon Stacks With Inspire Courage2011-10-07T18:22:13Z2011-10-07T18:22:13ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Spiritual Weapon Stacks With Inspire CourageMike Schneiderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mye7?Spiritual-Weapon-Stacks-With-Inspire-Courage#72012-03-16T01:54:58Z2012-03-16T01:54:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rory wrote:</div><blockquote> Anyone have any strategical thoughts on this? </blockquote><p>Certain deities grant a nice benefit: a ranged weapon — which means that your <i>Spiritual Weapon,</i> while it must remain between you and your target, doesn't have to be <i>adjacent</i> to them (i.e., subject to <i>Dispel</i> if you're trying to knock off a caster). OTOH, it can fire in melee anyway (if you need it to) without provoking (or suffering other annoyance) because it's a spell effect, not an actual material weapon.Rory wrote:Anyone have any strategical thoughts on this?
Certain deities grant a nice benefit: a ranged weapon -- which means that your Spiritual Weapon, while it must remain between you and your target, doesn't have to be adjacent to them (i.e., subject to Dispel if you're trying to knock off a caster). OTOH, it can fire in melee anyway (if you need it to) without provoking (or suffering other annoyance) because it's a spell effect, not an actual material weapon.Mike Schneider2012-03-16T01:54:58ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Spiritual Weapon Stacks With Inspire CourageRoryhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mye7?Spiritual-Weapon-Stacks-With-Inspire-Courage#62011-10-07T21:32:31Z2011-10-07T21:32:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Grick wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Rory wrote:</div><blockquote> Does a spiritual weapon crit like an actual weapon </blockquote><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/spiritualWeapon.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Spiritual Weapon</a>: "The weapon takes the shape of a weapon favored by your deity or a weapon with some spiritual significance or symbolism to you (see below) and has the same threat range and critical multipliers as a real weapon of its form." </blockquote><p>I'm blind, thanks!
<p>Any word on the buffs adding to it? I was surprised at the FAQ comment and still in semidisbelief at that one.</p>Grick wrote:Rory wrote: Does a spiritual weapon crit like an actual weapon
Spiritual Weapon: "The weapon takes the shape of a weapon favored by your deity or a weapon with some spiritual significance or symbolism to you (see below) and has the same threat range and critical multipliers as a real weapon of its form." I'm blind, thanks! Any word on the buffs adding to it? I was surprised at the FAQ comment and still in semidisbelief at that one.Rory2011-10-07T21:32:31ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Spiritual Weapon Stacks With Inspire CourageJiggy (RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mye7?Spiritual-Weapon-Stacks-With-Inspire-Courage#52011-10-07T20:13:29Z2011-10-07T20:13:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rory wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Does a spiritual weapon crit like an actual weapon given that the description states:</p>
<p>"(Spiritual Weapon) <b>strikes as a spell, not as a weapon</b>, so for example, it can damage creatures that have damage reduction."</p>
<p>? </blockquote><p>Look at the sentence right before that:
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">Spiritual Weapon wrote:</div><blockquote>The weapon takes the shape of a weapon favored by your deity or a weapon with some spiritual significance or symbolism to you (see below) and <b>has the same threat range and critical multipliers</b> as a real weapon of its form.</blockquote><p>Rory wrote:Does a spiritual weapon crit like an actual weapon given that the description states:
"(Spiritual Weapon) strikes as a spell, not as a weapon, so for example, it can damage creatures that have damage reduction."
?
Look at the sentence right before that:
Spiritual Weapon wrote:The weapon takes the shape of a weapon favored by your deity or a weapon with some spiritual significance or symbolism to you (see below) and has the same threat range and critical multipliers as a real...Jiggy (RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32)2011-10-07T20:13:29ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Spiritual Weapon Stacks With Inspire CourageGrickhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mye7?Spiritual-Weapon-Stacks-With-Inspire-Courage#42011-10-07T20:12:51Z2011-10-07T20:12:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rory wrote:</div><blockquote> Does a spiritual weapon crit like an actual weapon </blockquote><p><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/spiritualWeapon.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Spiritual Weapon</a>: "The weapon takes the shape of a weapon favored by your deity or a weapon with some spiritual significance or symbolism to you (see below) and has the same threat range and critical multipliers as a real weapon of its form."Rory wrote:Does a spiritual weapon crit like an actual weapon
Spiritual Weapon: "The weapon takes the shape of a weapon favored by your deity or a weapon with some spiritual significance or symbolism to you (see below) and has the same threat range and critical multipliers as a real weapon of its form."Grick2011-10-07T20:12:51ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Spiritual Weapon Stacks With Inspire CourageRoryhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mye7?Spiritual-Weapon-Stacks-With-Inspire-Courage#32011-10-07T20:03:44Z2011-10-07T20:03:44Z<p>A quote from another thread, not wanting to derail that one...</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Someone wrote:</div><blockquote> Note that <i>spiritual weapon</i> is most fun if you are a cleric of Cayden, Lamashtu or Sarenrae (rapier, kukri or scimitar for that 18-20 crit range) or Urgathoa (scythe for that x4 crit multiplier). [With Charm/Love and Travel, I'm guessing Cayden is your diety? If so, good for you! 18-20 crit range it is!] </blockquote><p>Does a spiritual weapon crit like an actual weapon given that the description states:
<p>"(Spiritual Weapon) <b>strikes as a spell, not as a weapon</b>, so for example, it can damage creatures that have damage reduction."</p>
<p>?</p>A quote from another thread, not wanting to derail that one...
Someone wrote:Note that spiritual weapon is most fun if you are a cleric of Cayden, Lamashtu or Sarenrae (rapier, kukri or scimitar for that 18-20 crit range) or Urgathoa (scythe for that x4 crit multiplier). [With Charm/Love and Travel, I'm guessing Cayden is your diety? If so, good for you! 18-20 crit range it is!]
Does a spiritual weapon crit like an actual weapon given that the description states: "(Spiritual Weapon) strikes...Rory2011-10-07T20:03:44ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Spiritual Weapon Stacks With Inspire CourageRoryhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mye7?Spiritual-Weapon-Stacks-With-Inspire-Courage#22011-10-07T19:45:31Z2011-10-07T19:45:31Z<p>Anyone have any strategical thoughts on this?</p>Anyone have any strategical thoughts on this?Rory2011-10-07T19:45:31ZForums: Rules Questions: Spiritual Weapon Stacks With Inspire CourageRoryhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mye7?Spiritual-Weapon-Stacks-With-Inspire-Courage#12011-10-07T18:22:13Z2011-10-07T18:22:13Z<p>From the Core Rulebook FAQ:</p>
<p>Ray: Do rays count as weapons for the purpose of spells and effects that affect weapons?
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Yes. (See also this FAQ item for a similar question about rays and weapon feats.)</p>
<p>For example, a bard's inspire courage says it affects "weapon damage rolls," which is worded that way so don't try to add the bonus to a spell like fireball. However, rays are treated as weapons, whether they're from spells, a monster ability, a class ability, or some other source, so the <b>inspire courage bonus applies to ray attack rolls and ray damage rolls.</b></p>
<p><b>The same rule applies to weapon-like spells such as flame blade, mage's sword, and spiritual weapon</b>—effects that affect weapons work on these spells.</p>
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<p>What other spell effects affect Spiritual Weapon...</p>
<p>...Bless?
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...Prayer?
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...Haste?
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...Heroism?
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...Good Hope?</p>
<p>(the extra attack from Haste I think would be right out, but the +1 to hit from it would be a gray area)</p>
<p>I was under the previous impression that nothing added to or changed the damage from Spiritual Weapon. The FAQ boldly states at least one buff, Inspire Courage, works on it, as well as implying others.</p>From the Core Rulebook FAQ:
Ray: Do rays count as weapons for the purpose of spells and effects that affect weapons?
Yes. (See also this FAQ item for a similar question about rays and weapon feats.)
For example, a bard's inspire courage says it affects "weapon damage rolls," which is worded that way so don't try to add the bonus to a spell like fireball. However, rays are treated as weapons, whether they're from spells, a monster ability, a class ability, or some other source, so the...Rory2011-10-07T18:22:13Z