Scar-knee. At least according to Burnt Offerings, anyway.
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Is it "Scuh-zar-knee" or "Zar-knee" or perhaps "Scar-knee"? I'm at a loss.ZKAR-knee
Saying "SCAR-knee" is close enough though!
Not to hijack a thread but as long as you want clarification about pronunciation, how do you pronounce Paizo? I have heard everyone from players and GMS to Store owners and distributors say it different.
Pie-zo
pi-E-Zo
PE-zo
Pa-E-zo
In my group, the GM who ran Skinsaw Murders (which was the first time Sczarni came up for us) he pronounced it "scar-NAH-zee" and we all got used to it that way. We never saw it written out until much later.
So the (obviously wrong) pronunciation stuck. And we still say it that way, even though we're now on Carrion Crown.
Since they're kind of like the gypsies in Eastern Europe, I was pronouncing the cz like ch (as in Czech or Czernobog). Guess I was wrong.
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I just cut off the S from the name, leaving me with "Czarni" which means in Polish "The Black Ones" - a perfect name for a shady gypsy gang! Which we pronounce "Char-nee".
Also:
W Strzebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie.
Yes, that's a legitimate sentence in Polish. You guys want to tell me about pronunciation problems? :)
the whole cz being /ch/ always freaks out the intro to slavic language people...
Around here, we pronounce it like "skar-nee."
To me it seems fairly obvious that the name Sczarni is mean to be evocative of Polish/Slavic langauges in general.
I honestly have always used the pronunciation that James shares above, perhaps a BIT more towards ´szkarni´...
But honestly, that´s probably just because it rolls off the tongue easier,
as that pronunciation is pretty much switching around the order of the ´scz´ letters.
Something like ´Stcharni´ is probably the BEST pronunciation IMHO.
I just cut off the S from the name, leaving me with "Czarni" which means in Polish "The Black Ones" - a perfect name for a shady gypsy gang! Which we pronounce "Char-nee".
Also:
W Strzebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie.
Yes, that's a legitimate sentence in Polish. You guys want to tell me about pronunciation problems? :)
I remember reading a review of one of Lisa Smedman's Forgotten Realms novels where the reviewer complained about the strange drow names like "Iljrena." Wonder what he'd do if he ever had to read something set in Poland?
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I remember reading a review of one of Lisa Smedman's Forgotten Realms novels where the reviewer complained about the strange drow names like "Iljrena." Wonder what he'd do if he ever had to read something set in Poland?I just cut off the S from the name, leaving me with "Czarni" which means in Polish "The Black Ones" - a perfect name for a shady gypsy gang! Which we pronounce "Char-nee".
Also:
W Strzebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie.
Yes, that's a legitimate sentence in Polish. You guys want to tell me about pronunciation problems? :)
A few Polish names have popped in PF products so far. I recall a NPC named Malgorzata and that whole "jadwigas" thing that I'm still slightly jaded about.
Also:W Strzebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie.
Yes, that's a legitimate sentence in Polish. You guys want to tell me about pronunciation problems? :)
I'll see your Polish and raise you Welsh!
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And since in Greek you cite verbs by using the 1. person, it is literally translated with "I play". The verb contains the root "pais", which is "child".
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the whole cz being /ch/ always freaks out the intro to slavic language people...
Not in my slavic language
chrząszcz = hšašć
Sczarni = S-zar-knee
Huh. I also thought it was pronounced "charny". Live and learn...
the whole cz being /ch/ always freaks out the intro to slavic language people...Not in my slavic language
chrząszcz = hšašć
Sczarni = S-zar-knee
Croatian? Just a guess.
Good guess
Personally I pronounce Sczarni as "those lying, cheating thieves". ;)
To answer the hijackers question about Paizo. Its Greek for "I play" It is pronounced PE-zo (The "E" is pronounced like the word in Ed)
I've always pronounced it as zzz-carny, which I though was fitting given what a carny is in American idiom.
I saw this and started laughing my ass off. I've been asking my play group this very question for the past 3 weeks with a variety of answers. Thank the people of the forums for the answer!
While we're on the subject I'm curious about the origins of the name Paizo. Is it based on the Greek word for play (which would totally make sense) or was it something else?Ayup:
PIE zo
Uhh... scroll up.
I guess James is psychic because he already answered that question ;-)
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Sczarni = S-zar-knee
That's pretty much how I pronounce it, though as two syllables and running the "s" and "z" together into an elongated silibant "z" sound.
By all rules of pronunciation - and logic - of which I am aware "scar-knee" just doesn't work. As it is meant to be a transcription of a foreign word there is no point for the "z" to be there unless it is relevant to the pronounciation. Otherwise it is not so much silent as it is decorative, like bad fantasy names full of extraneous hyphens and apostrophes. A writer can't just throw these things in because they look pretty, they have to actually mean something.
The problem with claiming the "z" is silent is that English has but one word with a technically-silent "z" - rendezvous - and it is borrowed from French. Even here the "z" affects pronunciation by producing the long "a" sound when paired with the preceding "e".
That said, there is an established English rule that a "c" following an "s" at the beginning of a word is silent (eg. science, scissors, scent, scintilla). This normally applies when the "c" is followed by an "e" or "i" so we can't draw any conclusive proof from it.
So while I'm not claiming to be objectively correct, "scar-nee" just doesn't make any sense at all and "zar-nee" (like the word "czar" with the elongated silibant "z") seems to best fit the word as written. All just IMO.
Sorry about the necro. Just happened across this thread. Also sorry about any typos or editing errors, I'm doing this on my iPhone.
However you say it, don't say it to the Watch unless you wanna take a long walk off a short Irespan...
I always pronounced it "ZHAR-nee." We'll probably keep pronouncing it that way for consistency.
That said, there is an established English rule that a "c" following an "s" at the beginning of a word is silent (eg. science, scissors, scent, scintilla). This normally applies when the "c" is followed by an "e" or "i" so we can't draw any conclusive proof from it.
In general, in English, a "C" is soft (not silent) when followed by an "i", "e", or "y". The "S" has nothing to do with it.
Scab
Scallop
School
Scoff
Scope
Sculpt
Etc.
On another Paizo name-related note, the Paizo golem holds a clue on how to pronounce the name.
If you look at it closely, it somewhat resembles the mathematical symbol for pi (3.14 etc).
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I just cut off the S from the name, leaving me with "Czarni" which means in Polish "The Black Ones" - a perfect name for a shady gypsy gang! Which we pronounce "Char-nee".
Also:
W Strzebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie.
Yes, that's a legitimate sentence in Polish. You guys want to tell me about pronunciation problems? :)
Im trying to learn polish right now and damn does it hurt my brain
