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I noticed that the Magus Kensia, gets fighter levels twice, th lv & 10th level.
at 7th level he can nowyto for the purposes of qualifying for feats consider himself as a fighter of 3 levels lower. This stacks with othyer fighter levels.
At 10th level he can now for the purposes of qualifying for feats consider himself as a fighter of 1/2 his Magus level. This stacks with other fighter levels.
Now is this a typo?
Or can a 10th level Magus for the purpose of qualifying for feats be considered a 13th level fighter.
Or just take the best and ignore the error.
Lol
I would ignore it
I would ignore it
So what replaces Fighter training at 10th level then? Interestingly enough I have the same question as I am also playing a Magus/Kensai. I'm not real worried as I don't expect to hit 10th Level for a while. I would like it answered however.
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We can work with this actually.
Fighter Training (Ex): Starting at 7th level, a kensai counts his magus level –3 as his fighter level for the purpose of qualifying for feats (if he has levels in fighter, these levels stack), but forfeits the benefit of such feats with weapons other than his favored weapon. This ability replaces knowledge pool.
So 10th level Kensai counts as 7th level fighter for feat selection, but their feats only function if they are using their chosen weapon, however they would be able to use those feats effectively due to the other fighter training ability. So a 10th level Kensai with Disruptive is only Disruptive with her favored weapon until level 12 where she'd qualify for the feat in a more general way due to the secondary Fighter Training.
So specialization which rolls into more of a generalization later on.
Just a thought at least. I'm sure there are a couple of fighter requirement feats that don't deal with a weapon but most of them deal with shields if I remember correctly so aren't likely to be Kensai targets for selection.
Morgen has one way of looking at it. It makes perfect sense to me. However, I think it was also mentioned previously (in another post) that you don't get Fighter Training twice, you just get it earlier, and that the feats only apply to your chosen weapon. That also makes sense, since it's the price you pay for being a badass with one specific weapon.
We can work with this actually.
Fighter Training (Ex): Starting at 7th level, a kensai counts his magus level –3 as his fighter level for the purpose of qualifying for feats (if he has levels in fighter, these levels stack), but forfeits the benefit of such feats with weapons other than his favored weapon. This ability replaces knowledge pool.So 10th level Kensai counts as 7th level fighter for feat selection, but their feats only function if they are using their chosen weapon, however they would be able to use those feats effectively due to the other fighter training ability. So a 10th level Kensai with Disruptive is only Disruptive with her favored weapon until level 12 where she'd qualify for the feat in a more general way due to the secondary Fighter Training.
So specialization which rolls into more of a generalization later on.
Just a thought at least. I'm sure there are a couple of fighter requirement feats that don't deal with a weapon but most of them deal with shields if I remember correctly so aren't likely to be Kensai targets for selection.
Thank you. That makes sense actually. I'm pretty sure there are a number of Fighter Feats that are not weapon specific, just can't recall most of them off-hand aside from Disruptive or the one that is a pre-rec for it.
Morgen has one way of looking at it. It makes perfect sense to me. However, I think it was also mentioned previously (in another post) that you don't get Fighter Training twice, you just get it earlier, and that the feats only apply to your chosen weapon. That also makes sense, since it's the price you pay for being a badass with one specific weapon.
My problem with that idea is that you are then paying twice. The Kensai version replaces another class ability. So you don't get it OR general use of Fighter effective levels.
Remember that the archetype abilities are not replaced on a 1 for 1 trade. You lose Knowledge Pool completely, and the level 10 Fighter Training ability is now level 7 (and with only one chosen weapon). It seems that you don't get anything to make up for Knowledge Pool.
Perhaps the developers thought that getting early access to Fighter effective levels was worth the loss, and the switch. You can get more of the Fighter level specific feats this way than a regular Magus, after all. Or maybe there is something else that makes up for it somewhere else within the archetype. I don't know. All I'm saying is that I don't think there is a problem with the Kensai as is, other than them not flat out explaining exactly what they did and why within the text of the archetype.
You don´t just get it earlier, you get a better ability. A Kensai can get greater weapon spec at level 15 a normal Magus doesn´t get the chance at all.