From what the Sixers were talking about, it sounds like it's the Commander's son, who I'm going to guess is a physicist. I think if the older sister of the family got out there, she'd have been very interested.
Perhaps someone is trying to find a way to make the time portal work both ways?
Actually the real kicker would be to discover that they'd actually traveled into the FUTURE.
That was my guess. The whole alternate timeline thing was just a red herring to fool everyone. This actually takes place millions of years farther in the future, after humanity has died off and the world has recovered from the destruction humanity did. The "dinosaurs" are just new creatures that evolved since then that resemble (due to convergent evolution) dinosaurs.
I thought the carnotaurus was done pretty good, but the more I saw of those lasher dinos the worse they seemed. Limiting to short quick shots would have worked much better. Maybe the graphics just don't work very well for night time shots, I don't know, but often less is more.
And yes as the commander was welcoming everyone, I couldn't help but jump back to Avatar.
Since the "gate" can only be open for a short time (apparently), instead of having people walk slowly thru, wouldn't firing a bullet train (stuffed with people/supplies) thru the opening make more sense?
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Wow. Super-annoying emo douche kid.
As is always the case, time travel sucks the big one (yeah, Braga, you really are terrible), but if one ignores that it's okay. The future world was for more interesting than the past world, though.
I have to agree with this assessment.
If I was the colony leader and the father character said, "then give me a gun and a badge and let me do what im good at" I would have had him hog tied and left in a field as dino chow.
If I was the colony leader and the father character said, "then give me a gun and a badge and let me do what im good at" I would have had him hog tied and left in a field as dino chow.
That's a bit of an overreaction, isn't it? The guy was put in prison for having an extra kid. Before that, he was a cop. So why not give him a chance to prove himself?
Besides, leaving food out for the dinosaurs just encourages them to hunt closer to the compound...
That's a bit of an overreaction, isn't it?
Yes.
So why not give him a chance to prove himself?
Think about it… He doesn't know who the Sixers work for work for / with. And here's a felon ex-cop that broke out of a supposedly maximum security prison and into a maximum security facility portaling people to you.
Since the "gate" can only be open for a short time (apparently), instead of having people walk slowly thru, wouldn't firing a bullet train (stuffed with people/supplies) thru the opening make more sense?
A bullet train could be impractical due to space needed for it on both sides but they definitely should have some way of moving large amounts of people and supplies fast. Why didn't they have one? Because they wanted that "suspenseful" scene at the gate room.
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Hmmm this has more potential than I thought it would.
As to evidence being left behind...there isn't a whole lot of people their taking up a small foot print on the planet. Who is to say that foot print is not currently at the bottom of some ocean or something.
Then our current structures don't last that long. Oh and a different time stream so a different reality or alternate universe type thing.
At any rate the show is pretty good but as with any sci-fi show you have to look past some things.
Oh a major concern I DO have is its on FOX. Sci-Fi shows don't seem to last long on FOX.
Hmmm this has more potential than I thought it would.
As to evidence being left behind...there isn't a whole lot of people their taking up a small foot print on the planet. Who is to say that foot print is not currently at the bottom of some ocean or something.
Then our current structures don't last that long. Oh and a different time stream so a different reality or alternate universe type thing.
At any rate the show is pretty good but as with any sci-fi show you have to look past some things.
Oh a major concern I DO have is its on FOX. Sci-Fi shows don't seem to last long on FOX.
Whedon shows don't last long on FOX, totally different. Whedon is a pansy and FOX execs are egotistical jerkasses. Nothing FOX doesn't like lasts long on Fox because they move around the schedule. They managed to kill Family Guy twice doing that. Never mind a number of other shows.
Another point if you recall was the commander said people do not always come in back to back. He arrived 180 days before the man walking in behind him.
Yeah, I was really intrigued by that comment from the commander. So he was on his own there for 180 days... no wonder he's so grizzled!
And I'm curious about the writing by the falls.
Yeah, me too. I wonder what the commander's son is trying to tell him/everyone? I'm very intrigued by that - it's complex geometry or something (supposedly), so there must be some reasonably big meaning behind it...
And I wonder if what the Sixers want is related? I'm very interested in that aspect of the show. I hope it's something deep.
If this show is anything like other attempts at SF that have appeared on network tv in the last decade, we'll get nothing but throwaway episodes until the inevitable cliff hanger concerning the Sixers at season's end. The standard on the networks seems to be, "Give the viewers absolutely the minimum possible enjoyment necessary to keep them watching," instead of, "Tell a good story, and they'll come back for more."
1. Yep, throwaway episode.
2. Gawd, do I hate the way scientists are presented in popular media.
3. So I guess agricultural production is on a long downward slide.
4. Nice that the baddies were small, instead of huge.
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I wasn't too impessed overall, but figured most of the season would focus on stand alone episodes like this, rather than deal with a develpoing and ongoing plot.
I was a bit annoyed that the dinos of the week seems to be active day or night, whenever the plot decided they were needed.
I thought tonight's episode was pretty lame. It was textbook Braga, with a story line we've seen in practically every Trek series he's had his hand in. More than once.
I'm only watching it for the dinosaurs anymore.
Yep, another throwaway episode.
Just off the top of my head....
ST:TNG, Everyone gets amnesia
Buffy, Everyone gets amnesia
Angel, Everyone gets amnesia
Terra Nova, Everyone gets amnesia
Anybody remember any more? Without checking TVTropes, that is.
Dinosaurs like nickel. Who would have guessed?
I was more interested in the side story. Exactly how is this guy (or more to the point, the Sixers) getting messages to the future without the portal being open?
Actually this story had a lot of info.
* Some dino's like nickle
* We have more info on the weather breakdown of earth and planet dying
* TN have a blackmarket
* The sixers have more then one connection to TN
* Contact can only be made once the portal is open
* Except the sixers seem to have another option.
* WE get a bit more background to 2149 and the colonial
While the last two have been filler, they have been used to add data and background and flesh out the series a bit.
I get the feeling that the wealthy have plans to move to TN as soon as it is thiriving in such a way to support he lifestyle that have and/or the planet becomes totally uninhabitable.
It does make me wonder about exo colonies, the moon and mars for sure. Could be some power players there.
The most recent episode reminded me exactly of old Trek episodes.
And not really in a good way.
Actually this story had a lot of info.
* Some dino's like nickle
* We have more info on the weather breakdown of earth and planet dying
* TN have a blackmarket
* The sixers have more then one connection to TN
* Contact can only be made once the portal is open
* Except the sixers seem to have another option.
* WE get a bit more background to 2149 and the colonialWhile the last two have been filler, they have been used to add data and background and flesh out the series a bit.
I get the feeling that the wealthy have plans to move to TN as soon as it is thiriving in such a way to support he lifestyle that have and/or the planet becomes totally uninhabitable.
It does make me wonder about exo colonies, the moon and mars for sure. Could be some power players there.
I may have missed the last few minutes (Damned Baseball!!!), but I don't remember anything about the 6ers having another way to commo with future or info on background to 2149 and the colonial, much less exo colonies. Care to elaborate?
Actually this story had a lot of info.
* Some dino's like nickle
* We have more info on the weather breakdown of earth and planet dying
Where in the episode did they mention anything more about the planet dying? I don't remember that. Was it just a one liner or a significant dialogue?
@ Jake. It was the last few minutes , shady bar man went and meet them and told em next time they spoke with the people back in 2149 he needed em to get the kids girl out.
That along with what he said eailer strongly implies they do not use the same method as the colony , which we also learned can only send messages back when the gateway is open.
The info on the colonial as well as the 2149 mostly came from his amesia and he talks with the others.
The exo colony stuff was just me pondering.
& Mournblade. It was mostly in the blond girls flashback and the docs explanation of the blizzard of 2119 was it? being the coldest and worst winter on record and the foodriots that went with it.
They leak bits and pieces in the dialog. some seems just fluff, but so did much of the "background chatter" in B% until season 4.
My favorite part was ...
Yes I meant commander not colonial..... I agree pressman it amused me as well.
Well, last night's episode has come and gone. While I'm generally enjoying the show for the sheer fluff factor, the notion of the Sixers just seems so....cliched, somehow. Watching them driving toward TN in their armored cars with mounted machine guns reminded me so much of any number of cheesy (read bad) 80s action shows.
And of course there's the whole conspiracy thing. It reminds me too much of the whole Temporal Cold War crap that ruined the first 3 seasons of "Enterprise". And just how do the people get messages back through the portal to 2149 if it's only a one-way passage?
I also wish they'd do away with the Slashers and the Ovosaurs (nickel eating dinosaurs). That's just stupid. And trust me, 85 MYA there were small raptor-like predators that make either of those look like the Geico Gecko.
Enough griping before I start in on the Carnotaur's arms again......
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It seems that everyone selected to go to TN either a) never watches TV, or b) is a moron. I thought the plot of the episode was pretty transparent, and I'm getting very fed up with the show. I'll probably give it 1-2 more episodes at most, and then give up on it.
What's in the mystery box? Personally I have a hard time with the fact that they "cant figure out how to get it open. Laser scalpel anyone?
What's in the mystery box? Personally I have a hard time with the fact that they "cant figure out how to get it open. Laser scalpel anyone?
Well, as we don't know what kind of tech they have it could be diamond hard or could be a type of box made to destroy the contents if forced open. Or ya know it could be a virus or something of the like. Forcing open an unknown box left by folks wanting you dead is not the best plan. Also 2149 may be able to open it with ease, but TN may be short on the needed tools.
Then again, MR. Head scientist could be the mole.
Well, the bartender is A mole. Mr head scientist could be another one. (the 6ers would be dumb to put all their eggs in one basket)
They're basing the idea that the place is an alternate dimension/timeline because the beacon didn't come back. What if the beacon gets destroyed by humans before it reaches 2164?
The 6ers method of communication with the future could be just burrying things in an unbreakable box and having a paleontologist dig it up in a few million years.
Well the girl said it was based totally upon the probe never being found. Which sounds like the simplified version they feed to the public. I am guessing they sent more then one, or did other tests before going for the colony.
Well, last night's episode has come and gone. While I'm generally enjoying the show for the sheer fluff factor, the notion of the Sixers just seems so....cliched, somehow. Watching them driving toward TN in their armored cars with mounted machine guns reminded me so much of any number of cheesy (read bad) 80s action shows.
I guess the leader of the Sixers is a big fan of the Mad Max movies...
So why do you think "Dad", didn't tell the commander about the whole, "enemies back home/we're being blackmailed" thing?
I guess the leader of the Sixers is a big fan of the Mad Max movies...Well, last night's episode has come and gone. While I'm generally enjoying the show for the sheer fluff factor, the notion of the Sixers just seems so....cliched, somehow. Watching them driving toward TN in their armored cars with mounted machine guns reminded me so much of any number of cheesy (read bad) 80s action shows.
That's what I thought of when they first appeared on screen LOL
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Brannon Braga is responsible for one of the worst episodes of Star Trek ever (namely "Threshold.")
I can honestly say that after that travesty he has to do a lot to make me trust him with anything. In fact the only thing I can say in his defense is that at least he didn't write "The Outrageous Okona..."
Now that has to rank as the worst Trek episode ever.
I have to go with Spock's Brain as the worst episode ever.
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Well, the bartender is A mole. Mr head scientist could be another one. (the 6ers would be dumb to put all their eggs in one basket)
They're basing the idea that the place is an alternate dimension/timeline because the beacon didn't come back. What if the beacon gets destroyed by humans before it reaches 2164?
The 6ers method of communication with the future could be just burying things in an unbreakable box and having a paleontologist dig it up in a few million years.
This.
Mr. Head scientist, made sure to get the woman he always wanted sent back. Now while this does not automatically mean he is a mole, it means he is unscrupulous.
That was my first thought. "What if it was destroyed."
Yep if they have a way to have virtually indestructible boxes then they can leave messages to be dug up later.
The commanders son is out on his own, doing complex math about the truth of the portal and the commander does not want anyone else to know.
The leader of the 6ers is being blackmailed. She is stuck millions of years in the past far away from the blackmailers. Why would she continue to do what they want? Unless there is a constant feed of information back to the present?
The little girl was sure she could go back to the future. Why would she think that, unless someone told her that they could?
Well, the bartender is A mole. Mr head scientist could be another one. (the 6ers would be dumb to put all their eggs in one basket)
I'm going with the soldier (Mark)that is wanting to date Maddy as a mole (I also believe that there isn't just one)
Brannon Braga is responsible for one of the worst episodes of Star Trek ever (namely "Threshold.")
I can honestly say that after that travesty he has to do a lot to make me trust him with anything. In fact the only thing I can say in his defence is that at least he didn't write "The Outrageous Okona..."
Now that has to rank as the worst Trek episode ever.
I also have to go with "Spock's Brain". But "Threshold" is the benchmark for bad Voyager episodes. Immediately after we saw it we dubbed it the "Space Catfish" episode because of the weird little things Janeway and Paris evolved into.
And, like so many Voyager episodes, the writers just seemed to not realize the crew could use the Warp 10 technology to return to earth and then have the doctor reverse the effects once there.
The girl pretending that she thought she could get back home seems more a part of her cover. "Hey, can I come live with you?" is more suspicious than, "Take me back home! Oh, you can't? Well, can I stay with you instead?"
Wasn't it established earlier that electronic messages could pass through the portal, while physical materials couldn't (ala StarGate)? Every time the portal is opened, messages can flow back and forth.
What puzzles me is why "meteoric iron ore" is such a hot commodity. Tons of it could be pushed through the portal in less than a minute.
I have to go with Spock's Brain as the worst episode ever.
However, the pornographic parody was comedy gold...
Yep if they have a way to have virtually indestructible boxes then they can leave messages to be dug up later.
Considering how much the landscape changes in 85 million years, trying to find a buried box would be nearly impossible without some method of tracking them. Even with their advanced technology, I don't think they'd be able to make a radio beacon that would last that long.
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I have to go with Spock's Brain as the worst episode ever.However, the pornographic parody was comedy gold...
Yep if they have a way to have virtually indestructible boxes then they can leave messages to be dug up later.Considering how much the landscape changes in 85 million years, trying to find a buried box would be nearly impossible without some method of tracking them. Even with their advanced technology, I don't think they'd be able to make a radio beacon that would last that long.
Yet they seemed to think they could or they would not have sent that probe there to confirm that it was in fact another world. Of course, since they know a meteor strike is to wipe of the dinosaurs anyway, then why bother? It would take out the probe too. So maybe the probe was a lie to make people think it is another world. Since they already know that everything dies off in a great impact that killed critters, maybe, just maybe Terra Nova is not so much a refuge, a place to start over, but rather a place to get rid of unwanted masses. They are just starting slowly, so as to give society a chance to expand, and then the mandatory mass migration will begin. The one you "want" to go on, because it is just this awesome place to go to.
I did not see the pr0n variation, nor do I think I wish too.
Yep if they have a way to have virtually indestructible boxes then they can leave messages to be dug up later.
If the pilot episode's explanation of TN being on a different timeline is correct (remember, the colonists turned the probe that was first sent through the portal that was never recovered in the future into a monument), then burying items will not work.
If the colonists come from Timeline A, and Terra Nova is established in Timeline B - Timeline A won't find any artifacts from Terra Nova no matter how hard they look for them.
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Yep if they have a way to have virtually indestructible boxes then they can leave messages to be dug up later.If the pilot episode's explanation of TN being on a different timeline is correct (remember, the colonists turned the probe that was first sent through the portal that was never recovered in the future into a monument), then burying items will not work.
If the colonists come from Timeline A, and Terra Nova is established in Timeline B - Timeline A won't find any artifacts from Terra Nova no matter how hard they look for them.
You assume that two things did not happen. One that someone is not telling a fib, which we can assume already that we are not getting the whole truth of the matter, and two that the probe lasted that long.
I'm trying so hard to not give up on this show, but my willpower is waning. ANOTHER made-up dinosaur?
This occurred to me a couple weeks back, but why why why on Earth would you send just one guy out in a vehicle with open sides at night to check on anything in a world as dangerous as that of TN.
And just how damned crappy is their security? People come and go through a hole in the fence like it's going out of style. You'd think at least one perimeter patrol would notice that.
And the Sixers. How much sillier can this plot device be? The warpaint and the Thunderdome costumes and hair styles is just making me roll my eyes every time they appear.
Someone give me a reason to keep watching Dino Trek!
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I'm trying so hard to not give up on this show, but my willpower is waning. ANOTHER made-up dinosaur?
This occurred to me a couple weeks back, but why why why on Earth would you send just one guy out in a vehicle with open sides at night to check on anything in a world as dangerous as that of TN.
And just how damned crappy is their security? People come and go through a hole in the fence like it's going out of style. You'd think at least one perimeter patrol would notice that.
And the Sixers. How much sillier can this plot device be? The warpaint and the Thunderdome costumes and hair styles is just making me roll my eyes every time they appear.
Someone give me a reason to keep watching Dino Trek!
The hawt doctor mom!!
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I'm trying so hard to not give up on this show, but my willpower is waning. ANOTHER made-up dinosaur?
This occurred to me a couple weeks back, but why why why on Earth would you send just one guy out in a vehicle with open sides at night to check on anything in a world as dangerous as that of TN.
And just how damned crappy is their security? People come and go through a hole in the fence like it's going out of style. You'd think at least one perimeter patrol would notice that.
And the Sixers. How much sillier can this plot device be? The warpaint and the Thunderdome costumes and hair styles is just making me roll my eyes every time they appear.
Someone give me a reason to keep watching Dino Trek!
Yeah, the open vehicles and the whole Mad Max thing the Sixers have going struck me as silly a while back as well. The fence security didn’t really occur to me, but now you mention it ... yeah, that is starting to strain credulity.
The only thing you mentioned that doesn’t bother me is the new dinosaurs. It’s naive to think that the fossil record has revealed to us more than a fraction of all the types of dinosaurs that existed, so I don’t really begrudge them getting creative with new types. We also can’t be 100% sure that all the dinosaurs we have discovered looked quite like what we think they look like. It would probably be less realistic if the show only featured known dinosaurs.
The way the fence is built, it seems more of a defense against dinosaurs than an active attempt to keep people in or out.
The Sixer Mad Max stuff is just silly.
I got irritated with the whole "save the poor baby dinosaur" part. I mean, these are serious scientists. Just a couple episodes ago they were talking about the potential to be found in the surrounding environment, that the cure for cancer could be awaiting them. Then they're setting aside serious research to try and save a baby dinosaur so Doc Mommy can score brownie points with her kid.
As for the dinosaurs themselves, having imagined ones doesn't bother me. It would be nice if they'd go for a little inspiration from the actual fossil record now and then. Smaller raptors with feathers would be something cool and different.
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I got irritated with the whole "save the poor baby dinosaur" part. I mean, these are serious scientists. Just a couple episodes ago they were talking about the potential to be found in the surrounding environment, that the cure for cancer could be awaiting them. Then they're setting aside serious research to try and save a baby dinosaur so Doc Mommy can score brownie points with her kid.
But now they can have the baby dino grow quickly to small sized, follow the youngest daughter around, and save her from danger every other episode. She could name it "Uni".
I got irritated with the whole "save the poor baby dinosaur" part. I mean, these are serious scientists. Just a couple episodes ago they were talking about the potential to be found in the surrounding environment, that the cure for cancer could be awaiting them. Then they're setting aside serious research to try and save a baby dinosaur so Doc Mommy can score brownie points with her kid.But now they can have the baby dino grow quickly to small sized, follow the youngest daughter around, and save her from danger every other episode. She could name it "Uni".
That would almost be worth watching just for the laugh factor.
I don't think it's a terrible show, but the frustrating thing is it wouldn't take much to make it a good show, but there are just too many silly little details.
That is trademark Braga. He did it with Voyager and Enterprise.
The way the fence is built, it seems more of a defense against dinosaurs than an active attempt to keep people in or out.
The Sixer Mad Max stuff is just silly.
I got irritated with the whole "save the poor baby dinosaur" part. I mean, these are serious scientists. Just a couple episodes ago they were talking about the potential to be found in the surrounding environment, that the cure for cancer could be awaiting them. Then they're setting aside serious research to try and save a baby dinosaur so Doc Mommy can score brownie points with her kid.
As for the dinosaurs themselves, having imagined ones doesn't bother me. It would be nice if they'd go for a little inspiration from the actual fossil record now and then. Smaller raptors with feathers would be something cool and different.
This entire post pretty much sums up how I (and my wife) feel about the show. Word for word, really.
My wife particularly rolled her eyes at the whole baby dinosaur nonsense.