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So what would you make as a pathfinder based on concepts from the Avengers?

Thor - Fighter
Iron Man - Cavalier/Alchemist
Ant-Man - Wizard
The Wasp - Sorcerer
Hulk - Barbarian
Captain America - Paladin/Monk
Hawkeye - Ranger
Quicksilver - ???
Scarlet Witch - Witch [D'uh]
Swordsman - Fighter
Hercules - ??
Black Panther - Monk
Black Knight - Cavalier
Wonder Man - ??
Vision - Magus
Doctor Druid - Druid/Wizard

Grand Lodge

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Not a direct answer to your question but should be a good source of inspiration.

Marvel Pathfinders.. The Age of Strange

In that context the Hulk is a Tarrasque kept locked inside the reclusive Wizard Bana.

The Exchange

Wow thanks. I only put this thread up because of a great painting showing DC characters set in a medieval setting.

The Exchange

We change to a new sub forum and ....nothing.

Liberty's Edge

Iron Man is CERTAINLY whatever Summoner variant lets you wear the Eidolon... thematically, at least. Of course, a Tome of Secrets Artificer is equally appropriate.

Thor's Warrior Madness means he should have at least a Barbarian level.

Strangely, Dr. Druid's powers are almost entirely psionic rather than remotely druidlike... or perhaps an Oracle?

Hercules is a great example of a Barbarian brawler.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

If it makes you feel any better, CJ, it's a very nice thread and you should be very proud of what you've done here.

I once played a druid based on Aquaman so let me see what I'd do with the Avengers if I was going to make PCs based on them...

Let’s start with the original lineup:

Iron Man - Magus. Best armor I can give him + some lasery blasty spells, maybe give him simple gauntlets as weapons.

Hulk - Barbarian/Alchemist. Play him as a split personality with the Banner personality represented as the alchemist and the Hulk as the barbarian who only comes out when the alchemist rages.

Thor - Cleric. Combat heavy with lots of weather and strength-related magic. Ranks in Heal would also make a great homage to Donald Blake.

Ant-Man and the Wasp - I think it'd be fun to play these two as a Transmuter and a Lyrakien Azata familiar. Hank and Janet are a classic team and I’d want to reflect that if I was playing Ant-man.

And some other Avengers:

Captain America – Order of the Shield Cavalier. Lots of tactical and shield-related feats. Heavy Warhorse mount named Liberator as a stand-in for Cap’s Harley-Davidson WLA Liberator.

Hercules – Barbarian. Grapple/unarmed-focused. Lots of ranks in Acrobatics to reflect Herc’s ability to leap over vast distances.

Black Widow – Rogue. Almost definitely with the Spy archetype.

Quicksilver – Monk. Super speed, missile deflection and flurry of blows, that sounds like Quicksilver to me. Throw in some Spring Attacky feats for good measure.

Starfox – Maestro bloodline Sorcerer. Lots of Enchantment spells and some Transmutation based around telekinesis, gravity effects, etc.

Wonder Man – Monk of the Four Winds (Ki Rin aspect.) Simon is a highly skilled unarmed combatant made of pure ionic energy. Monk seems like a good fit and the Ki Rin aspect gives him his flight ability. Seeing as how he’s also effectively immortal, Four Winds takes care of that with its capstone ability.

Grand Lodge

Herc would fit well with the Barbarian Brawler, though I was thinking the Tetori archetype as well (as he is the Wrestler.)

As for Quicksilver, I think that monk fits him the best. Flurry of Blows and increased movement speed... it just fits.

I disagree with your idea that Cap is a Paladin Monk. I think maybe Paladin, but definitely more Shielded Fighter. He is not a monk. I would however give him either the Advanced Template (or some kind of template that grants him bonuses to all three physical ability scores.)

Anyway, that would be my interpretation.'

EDIT: Ninja'd by the Unicorn... I like your idea of Order of the Shield Cavalier for Cap! Didn't think about that one...

Dark Archive

My 'Iron Man' in 3.5 was a Warlock with Fell Flight, Repelling Blast and the Battle Caster feat (wearing mithril full plate).

Scarlet Witch as an actual Witch works pretty well, as her hexes are indeed hex-like. A custom shatter / ranged sunder hex would fit her well.

Hawkeye is your basic archer, perhaps with some Rogue levels, as Evasion and sneak attack fit his theme.

The Wasp is a pixie sorceress or warlock (with summon swarm and some sort of blasting spells). Her blasts are more commonly depicted as either concussive force or bio-electricity than heat, so magic missile or the Spell Compendium seeking ray might fit better than scorching ray.

Giant-Man is a challenge without the 3.X Giant Size spell from the Wu Jen list. A Goliath Barbarian/Sorcerer with Mountain Rage and Enlarge Person could be a low-level version. There's a pretty big gap between Enlarge Person and either the Pathfinder Giant Form spells or the Wu Jen Giant Size spell...

The Swordsman is totally a black blade Magus, of sorts.

Silverclaw is a shapeshift-variant Druid.

Triathalon is a monk. His 'strength, speed, etc. of three men' power would be reflected in his increased hand to hand damage, movement rate, etc.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

After taking a look at some of the Magus archetypes, I'd definitely make Iron Man a Myrmidarch. With Armor Training, Ranged Spellstrike and, eventually, Damage Reduction, it's almost a perfect fit.

For Hawkeye, I agree with Set. The Archer archetype even grants an ability called Hawkeye at 1st level. Because of his time as both a circus performer and criminal, a few levels of Rogue (Acrobat or Swashbuckler) are advised.

The Exchange

I wanna cry... Thanks guys.

I was up late and had a weird idea.

These are some great concepts.


How about this from Avengers Vol.3 #2:
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Well Thor and Hercules might have some levels in the Godling class from Super Genius Games, reflecting they're divine nature.


I have played a Cap style character as a cleric/paladin/knight of solamnia in a dragon lance campaign.

I played the Hulk, sans Banner, as a half Orc monk/barbarian. Somehow I managed to get his effective grapple size up to gargantuan and his strength above 40, so that was fun.

I've also run a group of villains based on the x men, who are pretty easy to do in Pathfinder.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Marvel Thor should definitely be a Paladin, RW mythical Thor is certainly a Barbarian, but Marvel Thor is to much the paragon to be anything but a Paladin.

And Captain America is a Fighter. Beyond his origin as a sickly weakling alchemically transformed into a character with a 30-point buy there's nothing mystical or particularly "super" about him. He's simply an extremely well trained fighter with a +5 returning shield.


I always want Cap to have an aura that makes people better. Ideally, I tend to think that superheroes work best as gestalts, and I would probably do cap as a fighter/marshal if I wanted to do a straight build. It is hard to do what these characters can do with one class.

I've wondered if Thor could be done with an oracle.


Crimson Jester wrote:

So what would you make as a pathfinder based on concepts from the Avengers?

Thor - Fighter
Iron Man - Cavalier/Alchemist
Ant-Man - Wizard
The Wasp - Sorcerer
Hulk - Barbarian
Captain America - Paladin/Monk
Hawkeye - Ranger
Quicksilver - ???
Scarlet Witch - Witch [D'uh]
Swordsman - Fighter
Hercules - ??
Black Panther - Monk
Black Knight - Cavalier
Wonder Man - ??
Vision - Magus
Doctor Druid - Druid/Wizard

Antman would have levels in Alchemist as well he was all about science.

Quicksilver levels in Monk with multiples in Fleet feat.
Easiest way to Hercules and Wonderman would be levels in Barbarian (tough and had tempers). Mighty Godling from Super Genius Games would be better.
Luke Cage: Fighter/Monk(Martial Artist)
Iron Fist: Monk (Quinggong)

Grand Lodge

I just realized that Giant Man would have gone from Enlarge Person to Giant Form I and II. In terms of the bonuses that he would get, they would work nicely.


Aeshuura wrote:
I just realized that Giant Man would have gone from Enlarge Person to Giant Form I and II. In terms of the bonuses that he would get, they would work nicely.

He gets Giant Form I as an level 6 extract.

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You know, with the title of this thread, I was expecting ...

John Steed
(Cathy Gale)
(Venus Smith)
Emma Peel
(Tara King)

Yes, I watch entirely too much TV.

Dark Archive

This might be a bit off topic but its cool... Dice Freaks did a lot of Marvel Villians and hero's converted to 3.5 D20. Would not be that hard to covert to PF.

Go to Marvel Super hero D20


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Lord Fyre wrote:

You know, with the title of this thread, I was expecting ...

John Steed

Emma Peel

Yes, I watch entirely too much TV.

Both rogues, though Steed likely has a few levels of fighter and Peel a few of monk.


Thor - Fighter/Battle Oracle
Iron Man - Engineer (Alchemist alternate class)
Ant-Man - Druid (Swarm Master- this is an archetype I will create sooner or later) XP
The Wasp - Sorcerer (fey)
Hulk - Alchemist/Master Chymist
Captain America - Shielded Fighter
Hawkeye - Ranger/Arcane Archer
Quicksilver - Monk
Scarlet Witch - Witch
Swordsman - Blackblade Magus
Hercules - Barbarian
Black Panther - Ranger/Monk
Black Knight - Cavalier


I love the idea! May have to borrow it for a future group!

Hulk - Alchemist totally gives you a decent raging, hand-to-hand, beast of a melee fighter. Maybe a short dip into Barbarian for the extra raging fun too.

Iron Man - Summoner (Synthesist). He can even upgrade his 'armor' as levels up. Come on, is there a better answer?

Capt. America - A bit tougher. Multi-classing or gestalting would make it easier. What are his powers? Super solider, and great leadership. This tells me Paladin or Cavalier. Maybe both. Cavalier with the Order of the Shield, Sacred Shield Paladin (allowing Divine Bond on his shield and gives up Smite for protection of allies). I also really liked the idea to either give him a higher point buy or an Advanced template.

Thor - Cleric, Strength and Weather domains. You could probably do it with an interesting Druid build too.


I think Summoner(Synthesist) would work best for Iron Man. Not because you make the armor with progressive changes, but because you could make it resemble the evolution of his armor from the clunky gunbolt grey metal suit to the recent one that is infused into the merrow of his bones and can be formed by just a thought.It just really depends on which armor you're going for really.

I say Hulk is a alchemist(Ragechemist, it fits him well. Though which Hulk do you want? Joe Fixit aka Grey Hulk, Devil Hulk, Big Green aka Hulk, or the Hulk whose a fusion of grey and green who Banner pretty much becomes at some point? Or the Hulk who manifested while on Sakaar?


Son of the Veterinarian wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:

You know, with the title of this thread, I was expecting ...

John Steed

Emma Peel

Yes, I watch entirely too much TV.

Both rogues, though Steed likely has a few levels of fighter and Peel a few of monk.

I would give Steed at least a level of Detective/bard. The skills fit very well and he is not all that sneaky.

Peel? Rogue with some monk focusing on Ki throws


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Evershifter wrote:


Capt. America - A bit tougher. Multi-classing or gestalting would make it easier. What are his powers? Super solider, and great leadership. This tells me Paladin or Cavalier. Maybe both. Cavalier with the Order of the Shield, Sacred Shield Paladin (allowing Divine Bond on his shield and gives up Smite for protection of allies). I also really liked the idea to either give him a higher point buy or an Advanced template.

The problem with Paladin/Cavalier for Cap is that unless you call it Bucky and give it the undead subtype you're going to have trouble fitting the mount into a reasonably accurate Cap build.

The Exchange

Son of the Veterinarian wrote:
Evershifter wrote:


Capt. America - A bit tougher. Multi-classing or gestalting would make it easier. What are his powers? Super solider, and great leadership. This tells me Paladin or Cavalier. Maybe both. Cavalier with the Order of the Shield, Sacred Shield Paladin (allowing Divine Bond on his shield and gives up Smite for protection of allies). I also really liked the idea to either give him a higher point buy or an Advanced template.

The problem with Paladin/Cavalier for Cap is that unless you call it Bucky and give it the undead subtype you're going to have trouble fitting the mount into a reasonably accurate Cap build.

I thought this was not a bad idea.

Velcro Zipper wrote:


Captain America – Order of the Shield Cavalier. Lots of tactical and shield-related feats. Heavy Warhorse mount named Liberator as a stand-in for Cap’s Harley-Davidson WLA Liberator.

He

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

Thank you, Crimson Jester. I don't think it's a bad idea either. If you want Pre-Avengers Cap, you give him Leadership and make Bucky a Cohort. For modern-era Cap, you can make the cohorts out to be Falcon, D-Man, Vagabond or even Rick Jones.

Speaking of Captain America's battle buddies, some of them have been Avengers too so here's what I'd do for those guys:

Falcon - Eagle Shaman Druid. With a fly speed, an eagle companion and the ability to summon flocks of birds, the class was made for Sam. I'd only select spells that reflect Falcon's abilities too. Mostly buff spells.

D-Man - Brutal Pugilist Barbarian. Demolition Man is basically just a strong, athletic wrestler but he's got a heart condition so the fatigue from raging makes some sense.

Rick Jones (pre-A-Bomb) - He was only ever an honorary Avenger, but I'd actually make Rick a bard. Not because of any powers he's had but because of what he represents. Rick's guided the Hulk, fought alongside Captain America as Bucky and served as the host for Captain Marvel. He's versatile and he makes everyone he's ever worked with better and that's what bards do. It doesn't hurt that he's also an accomplished musician.

After reading through the Monk archetypes, I'm amending my decision on Hercules. Martial Artist Monk fits better. He can still be the chaotic hero he is while focusing on his grappling. Martial Artists also never tire and they've got the speed, leaping and defenses Herc would have.


Captain America - Brawler(Shield Champion)
Hulk - Barbarian(Savage Barbarian)/Brawler
Hawkeye - Slayer(Sniper)
Black Widow - Rogue(Spy)
Scarlet Witch - Psychic [Rapport Discipline]
Thor - Barbarian(Armored Hulk) [8,000gp to add Shock Quality to weapon]
Black Panther - Monk(Martial Artist)
Doctor Strange - Sorcerer [Arcane Bloodline]
Iron Man - Magus(Armored Battlemage)
Quicksilver - Monk(Monk of the Seven Winds)
Vision - Fighter(Tactician)/Magus(Armored Battlemage)
Spiderman - Bard(Daredevil)/Brawler(Snakebite Striker) [Slippers of Spider Crawl 4800 gp]
Ant-Man - Alchemist [Best if you are dedicated to spamming Reduce/Enlarge Person]
Ghost Rider - Cavalier(Ghost Rider)
Deadpool - Ninja

These are all PFS legal, as well.


Thor is a lightning bloodrager, of course. I created him as a pfs character as an aasimar bloodrager.


But which one is the necromancer!?

Grand Lodge

I'm sorry, for for Spiderman, it should be obvious that he'd be a Arachnid Wildsoul (Vigilante). Given how it offers the abilities Heightened Senses, Shoot Webs, Web Specialist, and Web Master.

Grand Lodge

Here is my take:

Thor - Warpriest of Odin
Iron Man - Synthesist Summoner
Hawkeye - Sniper Unchained Rogue
Black Widow - Unchained Rogue
Scarlet Witch - Witch
Hulk - Brute Vigilante
Black Panther - Monk
Captain America - Mount-less Cavalier archetype
Falcon - Fighter
Quicksilver - Monk
Vision - Wizard
Wasp - Sorcerer
Captain Marvel - Paladin
Ant-Man - Melee focused Alchemist
Wonder Man - He is the only one I really can't think of anything good for...some kind of multi-class combo probably

Other notable Marvel heroes:
Dr. Strange - Wizard
Spider-Man - Wildsoul (Arachnid) Vigilante
Punisher - Gunslinger
Daredevil - Unchained Rogue
Luke Cage - Fighter/Stalwart Defender
Iron Fist - Monk
Jessica Jones - Fighter
Moon Knight - Vigilante
Ghost Rider - Summoner/Darkfire Adept

Half of the people in the X-Men side of the Marvel Universe would probably qualify as various takes on Sorcerer, other notables below.
Professor X - Psychic
Wolverine - Barbarian (Beast Totem)
Colossus - Fighter/Stalwart Defender
Psylocke - Ninja with a dip in either Warlock Vigilante or Kineticist(Kinetic Knight) for her psychic blades.
Gambit - Aether Kineticist

There are, of course, dozens more...that is just off the top of my head :)


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I mean wouldn't the obvious way to build Cap be the Shield Champion Brawler?

Grand Lodge

Cap has a lot of leadership abilities in addition to his melee prowess, which is why the Cavalier gets tossed about for him a lot.

Shadow Lodge

Daredevil is straight up brawler all the way.

Grand Lodge

Also, for the Hulk, wouldn't it make more sense to go Ragechemist (Alchemist)/Master Chymist?


Did no one see how old this thread is

Grand Lodge

Blame Fitz...he brought it back up to the top


Titan Mauler Barbarian (the one that enlarges at level 14) and just the Barbarian in general I think is pretty spot on to the Hulk.

You got things like Ground Breaker (Hulk smash).

Raging Flyer to represent his jumping ability.

Hurling Rage Powers (to throw heavy objects, such as cars or trucks and even certain tanks while enlarged, or boulders the size of trucks) and Strength Surge to represent his massive strength.

DR and Stalwart feats that stack to represent his durability.

The Brawler Rage Power allows for 1d6 unarmed damage (1d8 large).

I feel like there are too many similarities to say he should be anything else. I don't know about Bruce, but this would be the Hulk.


Black Widow - Slayer(Vanguard)

Grand Lodge

Sauce987654321 wrote:
I feel like there are too many similarities to say he should be anything else. I don't know about Bruce, but this would be the Hulk.

Well I am keeping in mind both Bruce and the Hunk, as they are one and the same, and with this Bruce is a scientist.

That, and Master Chymist screams the Hulk to be.


If we are going cinematic universe, Ant-man is a verminous hunter, with a returning spell storing chakram (reduce person{optained from samsaran mystic past life}).

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

After Ragnarok, Thor could easily be done as an Air Bloodline Bloodrager.


DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
After Ragnarok, Thor could easily be done as an Air Bloodline Bloodrager.

Maybe if you took a multiclass with Oracle (blind curse) and wind mystery. The stats would work


-iron man, synthesuist summoner gestalt blaster sorc
-black panther, brawler gestalt slayer
-hulk invulnerable rager barbarian gestated with abyssal bloodrager and some how found a way to stack his rage bonuses
-thor air kinetisist gestalt fighter
-captain america, fighter gestalt brawler
-hawkeye, zen archer monk, gestalt with fighter
-black widow, unchained rogue gestalt slayer
-doctor strange, either wizard gestalt sorcerer or sorcerer gestalt archanist


Can we include 3PP stuff? Because the fighter archetype Swordsmith would be a good fit for Iron Man. It loses weapon and armor training and the proficiency with heavy armor and tower shields, but gets more skill points per level and the Master Craftsman feat. That lets you take the magical crafting feats so you can craft your own magic armor and weapons. Which fits right in with Tony Stark. Especially since at level 3 and every odd level after, one weapon you craft gets a +1 or special property for free and when you wield it, the enhancement bonuses are added to your Ref and Will saves and Cha skill checks.

I once tried to figure out what the characters in the Arrowverse would be, and I thought that a Sylph Sorcerer with the Stormborne bloodline would work for the Flash. Think it would work for Quicksilver as well? I don't know if he can generate lightning like the Flash.

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Crimson Jester wrote:

So what would you make as a pathfinder based on concepts from the Avengers?

Thor - Fighter
Iron Man - Cavalier/Alchemist
Ant-Man - Wizard
The Wasp - Sorcerer
Hulk - Barbarian
Captain America - Paladin/Monk
Hawkeye - Ranger
Quicksilver - ???
Scarlet Witch - Witch [D'uh]
Swordsman - Fighter
Hercules - ??
Black Panther - Monk
Black Knight - Cavalier
Wonder Man - ??
Vision - Magus
Doctor Druid - Druid/Wizard

Focusing on Pathfinder concept more than accuracy...

Thor: an aasimar paladin with a divine bond with his hammer, perhaps with a custom archetype with lightning theme
Iron Man: Synthesist summoner with the Eidolon being the suit, high skill points in Craft/Knowledges
Ant-Man: Couple ways to do this. For either Scott or Hank, possibly at least a dip into Blight Druid for Vermin Empathy, and the low level spells can reflect toying around with Pym Particles. OTOH, I might do Scott in particular as mainly a rogue with a suit of armor that allows him to cast Enlarge/Reduce Person on himself. Pym might be some flavor of alchemist or investigator.
Banner/Hulk: Alchemist/Master Chymist. If you want even more Hulk flavor, you could say Banner's lost control of his mutagenic form transformation somehow.
Captain America: I would make him a Shielded Fighter (with good stats) with an adamantine light shield of throwing and returning. Those who want to emphasize paladin-likeness could go with the Paladin Sacred Shield Archetype
Hawkeye: Sniper Slayer
Scarlet Witch: I'd actually make her a Sorcerer, because the witch class is focused on drawing power from a familiar, which she doesn't have. Not sure off the top of my head which bloodline.
Black Panther: Brawler
Black Widow: There's IIRC a Slayer archetype in Ultimate Intrigue that would really work well for her, but I can't find it.
Ms. Marvel (Khan): Aberrant Sorcerer/Brawler

That's all I can think of right now

Those not listed: not sure or don't know


Strix Airborne Ambusher (Fighter archetype) combined with the Dervish of Dawn archetype for Falcon.


Black Widow: Vanguard archetype Slayer.
Hawkeye: Sniper Slayer

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