paizo.com Recent Posts in Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?paizo.com Recent Posts in Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?2011-11-07T11:50:45Z2011-11-07T11:50:45ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Ascalaphushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1182016-01-29T02:06:03Z2016-01-29T00:37:30Z<p>So what's with the Totems in Varisia, Birthplace of Legends? Those are "god enough"? They explicitly have domains..</p>So what's with the Totems in Varisia, Birthplace of Legends? Those are "god enough"? They explicitly have domains..Ascalaphus2016-01-29T00:37:30ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Mark Moreland (Director of Brand Strategy)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1172016-01-29T02:05:58Z2016-01-27T22:23:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nightfall wrote:</div><blockquote> Wait this thread is still going? </blockquote><p>It wasn't until you resurrected it.Nightfall wrote:Wait this thread is still going?
It wasn't until you resurrected it.Mark Moreland (Director of Brand Strategy)2016-01-27T22:23:09ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Nightfallhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1162016-01-29T02:06:05Z2016-01-26T07:50:00Z<p>Wait this thread is still going?</p>Wait this thread is still going?Nightfall2016-01-26T07:50:00ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Cheryl Tunt (alias of captain yesterday)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1152015-10-03T16:54:57Z2015-10-03T04:50:00Z<p><i><b>You're not my supervisor!!!</i></b></p>You're not my supervisor!!!Cheryl Tunt (alias of captain yesterday)2015-10-03T04:50:00ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Kalindlara (Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1142015-10-06T02:54:42Z2015-10-03T04:30:21Z<p>By the same token, many members of the Whispering Way are clerics of Urgathoa. In the words of another...</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sterling Archer wrote:</div><blockquote>I can be both!</blockquote><p>By the same token, many members of the Whispering Way are clerics of Urgathoa. In the words of another...
Sterling Archer wrote:I can be both!Kalindlara (Contributor)2015-10-03T04:30:21ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Zelda Marie Lupescu (alias of AbsolutGrndZer0)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1132015-10-03T04:48:15Z2015-10-02T20:47:08Z<p>As to the "Green Faith" clerics thing, there are deities associated with the Green Faith, so that rare cleric (instead of druid) that was a member of the Green Faith would probably pick Gozreh as his actual patron, but sure just write "Green Faith" on your character sheet. IIRC it says this in Faiths & Philosophies... I know I read it somewhere.</p>As to the "Green Faith" clerics thing, there are deities associated with the Green Faith, so that rare cleric (instead of druid) that was a member of the Green Faith would probably pick Gozreh as his actual patron, but sure just write "Green Faith" on your character sheet. IIRC it says this in Faiths & Philosophies... I know I read it somewhere.Zelda Marie Lupescu (alias of AbsolutGrndZer0)2015-10-02T20:47:08ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Zelda Marie Lupescu (alias of AbsolutGrndZer0)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1122015-10-03T04:48:02Z2015-10-02T20:42:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Yakman wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Zelda Marie Lupescu wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Okay, doing some necromancy on this, but for a reason.</p>
<p>Everyone is whining about Eberron being the "no gods necessary" campaign, and of course the original Greyhawk gods were optional even for clerics by the core rules, so OMG terribad James Jacobs for making gods mandatory for clerics in Golarion when nobody else did that, right? </p>
<p>Oh but wait, you are all forgetting Ed Greenwood. Forgotten Realms had the same "clerics must have patron deity" rule in the Campaign Setting book. So, setting trumping core rules isn't a new thing. </p>
<p></blockquote><p>so is James' statement in this thread that if you want to do it in your campaign go for it.
<p>In the official Golarion setting, every Cleric must have a God. But on your table, it's your game, and go hog wild with whatever works.</p>
<p>If anything, James' hard-and-fast rule in the setting is preferable to the creative chaos that's been seen in other settings - Eberron's non-aligned dragons becoming chromatically aligned in some of their fiction, etc. </blockquote><p>Well, right but the thing is a lot of people in the past of this thread are acting like James Jacobs' Golarion is the first D&D setting to mandate gods for clerics even though the base rules do not, and my point is that he/it's not.Yakman wrote:Zelda Marie Lupescu wrote:Okay, doing some necromancy on this, but for a reason.
Everyone is whining about Eberron being the "no gods necessary" campaign, and of course the original Greyhawk gods were optional even for clerics by the core rules, so OMG terribad James Jacobs for making gods mandatory for clerics in Golarion when nobody else did that, right?
Oh but wait, you are all forgetting Ed Greenwood. Forgotten Realms had the same "clerics must have patron deity" rule in...Zelda Marie Lupescu (alias of AbsolutGrndZer0)2015-10-02T20:42:45ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?LazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1112015-10-03T04:47:50Z2015-10-02T02:42:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Geno wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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To clarify a point; When I say 'follows the Green Faith' I meant more than just living by that philosophy. I meant that the cleric would worship, venerate, and pray to nature itself in the same way another cleric might do to, say, Torag.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>That kind of cleric is known as a druid.Geno wrote:To clarify a point; When I say 'follows the Green Faith' I meant more than just living by that philosophy. I meant that the cleric would worship, venerate, and pray to nature itself in the same way another cleric might do to, say, Torag.
That kind of cleric is known as a druid.LazarX2015-10-02T02:42:04ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?deinolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1102015-10-03T04:47:41Z2015-10-01T16:36:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">LazarX wrote:</div><blockquote> But those are still clerics WITH deities. Instead of being with just one deity, they'r aligned with GROUPS of them. They are about as opposite from what the OP wants as you can get. </blockquote><p>For those who didn't notice, the original post occurred 4 years ago. I'm certain that campaign has ended and the OP has probably completed at least one other campaign since then. I think all the options have been well covered by now.
<p>(I started reading then noticed I'd already commented on this thread.)</p>LazarX wrote:But those are still clerics WITH deities. Instead of being with just one deity, they'r aligned with GROUPS of them. They are about as opposite from what the OP wants as you can get.
For those who didn't notice, the original post occurred 4 years ago. I'm certain that campaign has ended and the OP has probably completed at least one other campaign since then. I think all the options have been well covered by now. (I started reading then noticed I'd already commented on this thread.)deinol2015-10-01T16:36:05ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Kalindlara (Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1092015-10-03T04:47:36Z2015-10-01T16:32:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">LazarX wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kalindlara wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Geno wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">James Jacobs wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Clerics in Golarion must select a patron deity.</p>
<p>Oracles are the class that primarily fills the role of a divine spellcaster who doesn't serve a specific deity. </blockquote><p>I am curious about something; When you say they must have a patron deity, would that include or exclude worship of a primal force? <b>For example, could a Cleric be a follower of the Green Faith and still get spells? If not, why? And what about the worship of specific Pantheons?</b> Would a dwarven cleric be granted spells if he worships all the dwarf gods, or would that also not work?
<p>I'm confused, because you point out the Golarion setting breaks when Clerics don't have to worship a specific deity, because there is a false deity, which the worship of would not grant spells. Fair enough, but does that mean a cleric would not be granted spells for worshiping concepts which, while not necessarily deities in the traditional sense, are still sources of divine power in their own right?
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I ask, because it just does not make a great deal of sense to me that clerics could not draw on power from, say, the aligned planes, or even the power of nature as a primal force, when other classes have the ability to do so. So, I'd see no reason not to allow it. </blockquote>Neither philosophies (such as the Green Faith or the Whispering Way) nor pantheons can have clerics in Golarion. <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=865?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#43218" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">See here.</a> </blockquote>But those are still clerics WITH deities. Instead of being with just one diety, they'r aligned with GROUPS of them. They are about as oppposite from what the OP wants as you can get. </blockquote><p>Please reread the post I'm replying to. I've bolded a portion of it for your convenience. ^_^LazarX wrote:Kalindlara wrote: Geno wrote: James Jacobs wrote:Clerics in Golarion must select a patron deity.
Oracles are the class that primarily fills the role of a divine spellcaster who doesn't serve a specific deity.
I am curious about something; When you say they must have a patron deity, would that include or exclude worship of a primal force? For example, could a Cleric be a follower of the Green Faith and still get spells? If not, why? And what about the worship of specific...Kalindlara (Contributor)2015-10-01T16:32:38ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?LazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1082015-10-01T16:27:16Z2015-10-01T16:27:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kalindlara wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Geno wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">James Jacobs wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Clerics in Golarion must select a patron deity.</p>
<p>Oracles are the class that primarily fills the role of a divine spellcaster who doesn't serve a specific deity. </blockquote><p>I am curious about something; When you say they must have a patron deity, would that include or exclude worship of a primal force? For example, could a Cleric be a follower of the Green Faith and still get spells? If not, why? And what about the worship of specific Pantheons? Would a dwarven cleric be granted spells if he worships all the dwarf gods, or would that also not work?
<p>I'm confused, because you point out the Golarion setting breaks when Clerics don't have to worship a specific deity, because there is a false deity, which the worship of would not grant spells. Fair enough, but does that mean a cleric would not be granted spells for worshiping concepts which, while not necessarily deities in the traditional sense, are still sources of divine power in their own right?
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I ask, because it just does not make a great deal of sense to me that clerics could not draw on power from, say, the aligned planes, or even the power of nature as a primal force, when other classes have the ability to do so. So, I'd see no reason not to allow it. </blockquote>Neither philosophies (such as the Green Faith or the Whispering Way) nor pantheons can have clerics in Golarion. <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=865?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#43218" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">See here.</a> </blockquote><p>But those are still clerics WITH deities. Instead of being with just one diety, they'r aligned with GROUPS of them. They are about as oppposite from what the OP wants as you can get.Kalindlara wrote:Geno wrote: James Jacobs wrote:Clerics in Golarion must select a patron deity.
Oracles are the class that primarily fills the role of a divine spellcaster who doesn't serve a specific deity.
I am curious about something; When you say they must have a patron deity, would that include or exclude worship of a primal force? For example, could a Cleric be a follower of the Green Faith and still get spells? If not, why? And what about the worship of specific Pantheons? Would a...LazarX2015-10-01T16:27:16ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Darkbridger (alias of Drkbrdgr)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1072015-10-01T16:20:17Z2015-10-01T16:20:17Z<p>My Golarion holds mostly true to this requirement. I did create a Pantheistic Cleric archetype however. I am looking forward to updating it after Inner Sea Faiths arrives.</p>My Golarion holds mostly true to this requirement. I did create a Pantheistic Cleric archetype however. I am looking forward to updating it after Inner Sea Faiths arrives.Darkbridger (alias of Drkbrdgr)2015-10-01T16:20:17ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?GM Rednal (alias of Rednal)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1062015-10-03T04:47:11Z2015-10-01T04:48:46Z<p>This kind of thing is actually very relevant to me. XD My main games feature player-character deities trying to regain their powers, and things like how/when followers can receive divine magic is actually very important.</p>
<p>(Mythic's "Divine Source" solved SO many problems for me.)</p>
<p>Aside from that, however, I very much appreciate Paizo's efforts in creating characters that can fill different thematic roles. The game would be a lot less fun if every class had the same flavor. XD</p>This kind of thing is actually very relevant to me. XD My main games feature player-character deities trying to regain their powers, and things like how/when followers can receive divine magic is actually very important.
(Mythic's "Divine Source" solved SO many problems for me.)
Aside from that, however, I very much appreciate Paizo's efforts in creating characters that can fill different thematic roles. The game would be a lot less fun if every class had the same flavor. XDGM Rednal (alias of Rednal)2015-10-01T04:48:46ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Draco Bahamuthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1052015-10-03T04:47:03Z2015-09-30T19:49:22Z<p>What i do in my campaing is that the religious hierarchy is not made by clerics, is made by priests that can or can´t even cast spells. A cleric is a special case of trully choosen by a deity or a trully devotee.
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I still wanted a philosopher archetype for cleric that turned it into psychic magic and made possible to choose domain-like powers, but it can still work as Paizo made it.</p>What i do in my campaing is that the religious hierarchy is not made by clerics, is made by priests that can or can´t even cast spells. A cleric is a special case of trully choosen by a deity or a trully devotee.
I still wanted a philosopher archetype for cleric that turned it into psychic magic and made possible to choose domain-like powers, but it can still work as Paizo made it.Draco Bahamut2015-09-30T19:49:22ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?James Jacobs (Creative Director)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1042023-03-10T16:36:34Z2015-09-30T18:27:30Z<p>Clerics must worship a single deity on Golarion. That's a HUGE part of their theme and flavor. You can certainly worship non-traditional deities—mythic characters being able to grant spells can have clerics, as can idols in the upcoming Occult Realms book. But you can't be a cleric if you worship something that doesn't grant domains, and things like philosophies or false gods can't grant domains.</p>
<p>Why not? The same reason wizards need spellbooks but sorcerers do not. The same reason bards use music to make their magic and alchemists use extracts. The same reason rangers are great at tracking enemies and fighters are great at wearing armor. It's part of the flavor that differentiates the class from other classes, and increases diversity among class themes.</p>
<p>The class you want to play if you want to worship a philosophy or a false god or whatever and still cast divine spells is the oracle. That class was more or less EXPRESSLY created to fill that role.</p>
<p>Do it how you want in your own game worlds—feel free to have clerics who don't have to worship a deity, wizards who don't keep spellbooks, bards who don't perform, or barbarians who can be lawful. That's the power of the game—you CAN make it yours.</p>
<p>But in Golarion, and thus the default assumption we make when creating all of our products, things are the way they are. We ALL make choices when we define a world we create. Your choices may not be the same as ours, and the fact that ours is published and set up as the assumed setting for the rules doesn't make those choices any more right or wrong than you make for your own setting (or for a published setting you adapt)... but arguing for us to change the way it works in Golarion when the reason you seek is "Artistic choice" is a no-win struggle, any more than it is for me to argue that YOU should play your home games any differently than you want to play them.</p>Clerics must worship a single deity on Golarion. That's a HUGE part of their theme and flavor. You can certainly worship non-traditional deities—mythic characters being able to grant spells can have clerics, as can idols in the upcoming Occult Realms book. But you can't be a cleric if you worship something that doesn't grant domains, and things like philosophies or false gods can't grant domains.
Why not? The same reason wizards need spellbooks but sorcerers do not. The same reason bards use...James Jacobs (Creative Director)2015-09-30T18:27:30ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Genohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1032015-09-30T08:18:50Z2015-09-30T08:18:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kalindlara wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Neither philosophies (such as the Green Faith or the Whispering Way) nor pantheons can have clerics in Golarion. <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=865?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#43218" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">See here.</a> </blockquote><p>Fair enough; What about other non-traditional deities? Why does a clearly defined divine source of power have to have a name and a face for a cleric to be able to worship and gain spells from it?
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To clarify a point; When I say 'follows the Green Faith' I meant more than just living by that philosophy. I meant that the cleric would worship, venerate, and pray to nature itself in the same way another cleric might do to, say, Torag.</p>
<p>Also, the other half of my question remains. Why not?</p>
<p>It just makes no sense to me that a cleric could not gain spells from worshiping something another class can worship and gain spells from.</p>
<p>The way I see it, there are two options; </p>
<p>1.) Classes are an abstraction of the game's mechanics, and have no actual bearing on the in-game setting. In which case, which of the rule sets of the various classes I pick to represent a character should be based entirely on which mechanics best reflect that character. If so, then the Golarian setting should allow for people to play clerics that worship non-traditional deities, even if the title they go by in the game isn't 'cleric.'</p>
<p>2.) What a character's class is is actually relevant to the in-game setting, from a narrative stand point. In which case, the rules for clerics in Golarion make no sense at all. A character who calls themselves a druid, and worships the sun, is completely acceptable; worshiping the sun can grant you divine magic. However, if that same character declared that they were a "Cleric" of the sun... well, then there divine magic just stops working. Why? Because James Jacobs doesn't like clerics that worship the sun. Because it's easier to say, "No, clerics can only get magic from it if it has a name and a face," than "clerics can gain divine magic by worshiping anything that qualifies as a source of divine magic. The sources of divine magic in Golarion are..." and then just highlight that Razmir isn't one.</p>Kalindlara wrote:Neither philosophies (such as the Green Faith or the Whispering Way) nor pantheons can have clerics in Golarion. See here.
Fair enough; What about other non-traditional deities? Why does a clearly defined divine source of power have to have a name and a face for a cleric to be able to worship and gain spells from it?
To clarify a point; When I say 'follows the Green Faith' I meant more than just living by that philosophy. I meant that the cleric would worship, venerate, and...Geno2015-09-30T08:18:50ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Kalindlara (Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1022015-10-03T04:46:30Z2015-09-29T05:36:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Geno wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">James Jacobs wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Clerics in Golarion must select a patron deity.</p>
<p>Oracles are the class that primarily fills the role of a divine spellcaster who doesn't serve a specific deity. </blockquote><p>I am curious about something; When you say they must have a patron deity, would that include or exclude worship of a primal force? For example, could a Cleric be a follower of the Green Faith and still get spells? If not, why? And what about the worship of specific Pantheons? Would a dwarven cleric be granted spells if he worships all the dwarf gods, or would that also not work?
<p>I'm confused, because you point out the Golarion setting breaks when Clerics don't have to worship a specific deity, because there is a false deity, which the worship of would not grant spells. Fair enough, but does that mean a cleric would not be granted spells for worshiping concepts which, while not necessarily deities in the traditional sense, are still sources of divine power in their own right?
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I ask, because it just does not make a great deal of sense to me that clerics could not draw on power from, say, the aligned planes, or even the power of nature as a primal force, when other classes have the ability to do so. So, I'd see no reason not to allow it. </blockquote><p>Neither philosophies (such as the Green Faith or the Whispering Way) nor pantheons can have clerics in Golarion. <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=865?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#43218" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">See here.</a>Geno wrote:James Jacobs wrote:Clerics in Golarion must select a patron deity.
Oracles are the class that primarily fills the role of a divine spellcaster who doesn't serve a specific deity.
I am curious about something; When you say they must have a patron deity, would that include or exclude worship of a primal force? For example, could a Cleric be a follower of the Green Faith and still get spells? If not, why? And what about the worship of specific Pantheons? Would a dwarven cleric be...Kalindlara (Contributor)2015-09-29T05:36:28ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: Can there be a cleric with no god in Golarion?Genohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mr4k&page=3?Can-there-be-a-cleric-with-no-god-in-Golarion#1012015-09-29T05:29:07Z2015-09-29T05:29:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">James Jacobs wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Clerics in Golarion must select a patron deity.</p>
<p>Oracles are the class that primarily fills the role of a divine spellcaster who doesn't serve a specific deity. </blockquote><p>I am curious about something; When you say they must have a patron deity, would that include or exclude worship of a primal force? For example, could a Cleric be a follower of the Green Faith and still get spells? If not, why? And what about the worship of specific Pantheons? Would a dwarven cleric be granted spells if he worships all the dwarf gods, or would that also not work?
<p>I'm confused, because you point out the Golarion setting breaks when Clerics don't have to worship a specific deity, because there is a false deity, which the worship of would not grant spells. Fair enough, but does that mean a cleric would not be granted spells for worshiping concepts which, while not necessarily deities in the traditional sense, are still sources of divine power in their own right?
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I ask, because it just does not make a great deal of sense to me that clerics could not draw on power from, say, the aligned planes, or even the power of nature as a primal force, when other classes have the ability to do so. So, I'd see no reason not to allow it.</p>James Jacobs wrote:Clerics in Golarion must select a patron deity.
Oracles are the class that primarily fills the role of a divine spellcaster who doesn't serve a specific deity.
I am curious about something; When you say they must have a patron deity, would that include or exclude worship of a primal force? For example, could a Cleric be a follower of the Green Faith and still get spells? If not, why? And what about the worship of specific Pantheons? Would a dwarven cleric be granted...Geno2015-09-29T05:29:07Z