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At 4th level, a Medium beast rider can also choose an allosaurus, ankylosaurus, arsinoitherium, aurochs, bison, brachiosaurus, elephant, glyptodon, hippopotamus, lion, mastodon, megaloceros, snapping turtle (giant), tiger, triceratops, or tyrannosaurus as his mount.
So at 4th level, it says all of these choices are available as my mount. However, for many (most?) of these, the creature will still be medium size for the normal animal companion progression.
For example, I wanted to have a lion mount at 4th level. But a lion (large cat) is still medium sized, and doesn't become large until 7th level.
So what does that mean exactly? Does a Beast Rider get a mount he can't ride? Does the mount automatically get the advancement to a larger size 3 levels early? Or is it a typo, and I can't select any mount unless it can be at least large sized?
I'd like to see some clarification about mount, animal companion and maybe leadership when used to obtain a mount.
You only get the things listed. You can derive everything else from it.
For example, you can derive the AC and the CMB/CMD from the stats listed.
What I do is write down everything in the stat block that I can on a character sheet, then look at the Table at the top of the page to see how to modify.
At 7th level, your animal companion will have 3 feats, since it has 6 Hit Dice.
At 8th level, you'll get a 4th feat, since it gets its 7th Hit Die.
Your mastodon will have a base Perception of 1, since its wisdom is 13, which gives a +1 bonus.
If you put 1 skill point (which you have 6 for your animal companion), the mastodon will have a perception of +5, since you put one rank in, and it's a class skill (which gives a +3 bonus). If you put all of his skills into Perception (all 6), he'd have a bonus of 10. +1 from wisdom, +6 from ranks, and +3 from class skill.
Since scent, low-light vision, and trample are listed in the block, he gets them. He only gets Trample at level 7 though.
It'll be Large. Apply the differences to the animal companion's medium size. For example, a bear and hippo are good candidates for that.
T-Rex is awesome, as well as Giant Mantis.
There is only one point I would add now.. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/cavalier/archetypes/paizo---ca valier-archetypes/beast-rider say:
To generate statistics for such a mount, apply the following modifications:
Size Large;
Ability Scores Str +2, Dex –2, Con +2;
Increase the damage of each of the mount’s natural attacks by one die size.-> But we need not to do this because we simply take the stats of the top right side with headline "Companions, 7th-level-adv.", right?
It's my understanding that you would do both. You apply 7th evel, then apply that Large size.
You can only do it on creatures whose seventh level advancement (or previous advancement) makes them only medium.
From the cavalier class ability "Mount":
This mount functions as a druid’s animal companion, using the cavalier’s level as his effective druid level. The creature must be one that he is capable of riding and is suitable as a mount. A Medium cavalier can select a camel or a horse. A Small cavalier can select a pony or wolf, but can also select a boar or a dog if he is at least 4th level. The GM might approve other animals as suitable mounts.
(Emphasis mine.)
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i feel like text was deleted by an editor somewhere so that it might have originally looked like
At 4th level, a Medium beast rider can also choose [a bunch of medium animals] as his mount. Treat the animals as Large for purpose of riding them at 4th level.
but that they couldn't find a clear way to write it, and that by removing it, they made the whole text invalid for medium creatures. ( or they just copy/pasted the small list to the medium characters instead of i dunno, choosing any animals that might work as Large at 4th level... )
While Medium Cavaliers at 7th level get a nicely expanded list of mounts, Small Cavaliers are hozed. WIthout wording that at 7th level they can select any Medium creature as a mount, the archteype caters only to small creatures under 7th level, and only to medium cavaliers after 7th level.
where is the option for a Halfling riding a Ram?
A dwarf can, and he gets to size his Ram up to Large.
Pathfinder just got racist ;)
There is a lot of discussion at this threat
I'm hoping that they can get something straightened out with the class / archetype to allow exotic creatures that you can Actually ride as a medium sized creature.
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My apologies in advance but I've scoured the boards and the applicable rules and am puzzled/frustrated. It appears to me that per RAW a small sized beast rider is never allowed to ride any cats such as tigers and lions (frustrating because that's what I want to ride and as is complained about in numerous posts they are medium between levels 4 and 7 making them 'obvious' good choices for small characters). Equally ludicrous in my opinion a small sized beast rider will never be able to acquire a horse or a camel beast (they are not on the small list!)
Please point me to the clause that proves I'm wrong... I really wanna ride a cat!
I agree with Seraphimpunk. They should really just errata it to say you should treat the mount as large and you don't get the stats/dmg die changes for the size though until level 7.
+1
Also, remove the clause excluding flying mounts. Any other class that gets an animal companion or familiar eventually gets access to one, yet a class that is all about their mount CAN'T?
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well, they just don't want to give rules fiat to flying mounts everywhere, they let individual home game GMs make the call on flying mounts, and thus don't have to worry about it in general.
i still wish they'd fix this.
i heard someone tell me the other day that they're a medium creature riding a medium dinosaur because the class said they could. =P i told them its still not a legal mount choice and they gave me a weird look.
I wish the "one size larger restriction" was optional, or allow the encumbrance rules to be used as an alternate. If a medium mount was strong enough to carry a medium rider and not be more than lightly encumbered, it should be allowable as a mount, assuming an appropriate saddle could be crafted. I can't accept that a person can ride a snake as a mount, for example, yet the rules allow that just fine.