Ambrosia Slaad |
BARBARIAN AM NOT WANT PITY FOR IGNORANCE. IGNORANCE AM WHY BARBARIAN AWESOME.
SQUISHY PUNCH THROUGH MAGIC WITH LANCE? NO? THAT BECAUSE SQUISHY KNOW NOT POSSIBLE. BARBARIAN ONLY NEED 7 INT; CAN PUNCH MAGIC BECAUSE BARBARIAN NOT KNOW MAGIC NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK THAT WAY.
PITY NOT IGNORANCE. NON-CRAPPY BARBARIAN AM PITY KNOWLEDGE.
I must have missed this Barbarian archetype in Ultimate Combat.
BigNorseWolf |
Yes.
Its the same circular ad hom that people think makes for an argument. It demeans people and makes conversations impossible when you can simply dismiss anything contrary to your opinion.
Prove statement X wrong (which is essentially the heart of any disagreement)
Person A states X.
A is wrong because they stated X.
X is so wrong that it indicates A's ignorance.
Since A is ignorant we can ignore their opinions.
-Its a vicious cycle... and it requires (on multiple levels) that someone assume their position to be not only TRUE but patently obvious.
LilithsThrall |
Yes.
Its the same circular ad hom that people think makes for an argument. It demeans people and makes conversations impossible when you can simply dismiss anything contrary to your opinion.
Prove statement X wrong (which is essentially the heart of any disagreement)
Person A states X.
A is wrong because they stated X.
X is so wrong that it indicates A's ignorance.
Since A is ignorant we can ignore their opinions.
-Its a vicious cycle... and it requires (on multiple levels) that someone assume their position to be not only TRUE but patently obvious.
So, to take an example, someone says that water can easily be sent to the moon in sufficient quantity to support a small town at a cost less than $100,000 because the moon is only 10 miles up in the air, we shouldn't assume that that person is ignorant about the solar system?
BigNorseWolf |
That's a reasonable assumption, unfortunately thats the opposite order that most people argue on the internet. To argue against the claim though, you should work from the facts to the conclusion, NOT involving the person at all. If they are an idiot there's simply no need to: their ideas are right or wrong on their own.
Claim: water can easily be sent to the moon. its only 10 miles.
Refutation: Get reliable sources stating the distance, including mirrors on the moon to measure the distance, how long it took the astronauts to get there etc. Since its further its more expensive. The person doesn't enter into it.
If they start claiming they're right because they work for nasa THEN they're making themselves the basis for the claim by making an appeal to authority, and become a legitimate target so long as their ideas are based on their own "expert" opinion
Crimson Jester |
BARBARIAN AM NOT WANT PITY FOR IGNORANCE. IGNORANCE AM WHY BARBARIAN AWESOME.
SQUISHY PUNCH THROUGH MAGIC WITH LANCE? NO? THAT BECAUSE SQUISHY KNOW NOT POSSIBLE. BARBARIAN ONLY NEED 7 INT; CAN PUNCH MAGIC BECAUSE BARBARIAN NOT KNOW MAGIC NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK THAT WAY.
PITY NOT IGNORANCE. NON-CRAPPY BARBARIAN AM PITY KNOWLEDGE.
However since you know this now....
AM BARBARIAN |
AM BARBARIAN wrote:However since you know this now....BARBARIAN AM NOT WANT PITY FOR IGNORANCE. IGNORANCE AM WHY BARBARIAN AWESOME.
SQUISHY PUNCH THROUGH MAGIC WITH LANCE? NO? THAT BECAUSE SQUISHY KNOW NOT POSSIBLE. BARBARIAN ONLY NEED 7 INT; CAN PUNCH MAGIC BECAUSE BARBARIAN NOT KNOW MAGIC NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK THAT WAY.
PITY NOT IGNORANCE. NON-CRAPPY BARBARIAN AM PITY KNOWLEDGE.
BARBARIAN AM MAKE WILL SAVE VERSUS LEARNING. AM ALWAYS MAKE WILL SAVE VERSUS LEARNING.
JMD031 |
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Crimson Jester wrote:BARBARIAN AM MAKE WILL SAVE VERSUS LEARNING. AM ALWAYS MAKE WILL SAVE VERSUS LEARNING.AM BARBARIAN wrote:However since you know this now....BARBARIAN AM NOT WANT PITY FOR IGNORANCE. IGNORANCE AM WHY BARBARIAN AWESOME.
SQUISHY PUNCH THROUGH MAGIC WITH LANCE? NO? THAT BECAUSE SQUISHY KNOW NOT POSSIBLE. BARBARIAN ONLY NEED 7 INT; CAN PUNCH MAGIC BECAUSE BARBARIAN NOT KNOW MAGIC NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK THAT WAY.
PITY NOT IGNORANCE. NON-CRAPPY BARBARIAN AM PITY KNOWLEDGE.
So if you fail your save then you learn something which will require a separate save to see if you notice and if you fail that save....for the love of god make your will save.
Kirth Gersen |
If they start claiming they're right because they work for nasa THEN they're making themselves the basis for the claim by making an appeal to authority, and become a legitimate target so long as their ideas are based on their own "expert" opinion
My favorite is when someone says, "You are all completely uninformed! The moon is exactly 10.0064 miles from the Earth. Educate yourselves!"
And then you ask for a source for their information and they reply, "My source is my opinion. Therefore you can't say I'm wrong. Saying people can't state their opinions is censorship!"
I actually run into this sort of thing fairly often.
Ambrosia Slaad |
My favorite is when someone says, "You are all completely uninformed! The moon is exactly 10.0064 miles from the Earth. Educate yourselves!"
And then you ask for a source for their information and they reply, "My source is my opinion. Therefore you can't say I'm wrong. Saying people can't state their opinions is censorship!"
I actually run into this sort of thing fairly often.
Yes, that is rather odd. You must be cursed with a mutant power, possibly the opposite of Steve Job's "reality distortion field."
I sympathize. For some reason, books spontaneously combust when I'm near. :)
Crimson Jester |
Kirth Gersen wrote:My favorite is when someone says, "You are all completely uninformed! The moon is exactly 10.0064 miles from the Earth. Educate yourselves!"
And then you ask for a source for their information and they reply, "My source is my opinion. Therefore you can't say I'm wrong. Saying people can't state their opinions is censorship!"
I actually run into this sort of thing fairly often.
Yes, that is rather odd. You must be cursed with a mutant power, possibly the opposite of Steve Job's "reality distortion field."
I sympathize. For some reason, books spontaneously combust when I'm near. :)
So that is what happened to that Bible. ;-)
JMD031 |
JMD031 wrote:Sorry, I gave my last tree-fiddy to a masked avian in a trenchcoat and fedora.Studpuffin wrote:It's not Monday.Hey guys! Studpuffin can read. Someone owes me a dollar.
"It was about that time that I realized that the masked avian was 300 foot high and had no feathers. And I said, G@% D!#% Loch Ness Monster, you ain't going to get no tree fiddy from me."
"I would hope not, I just gave him tree-fiddy yesterday."
"Now why would you go and do that woman? No wonder he keeps coming back."
-Chef's parents
LilithsThrall |
BigNorseWolf wrote:If they start claiming they're right because they work for nasa THEN they're making themselves the basis for the claim by making an appeal to authority, and become a legitimate target so long as their ideas are based on their own "expert" opinion
My favorite is when someone says, "You are all completely uninformed! The moon is exactly 10.0064 miles from the Earth. Educate yourselves!"
And then you ask for a source for their information and they reply, "My source is my opinion. Therefore you can't say I'm wrong. Saying people can't state their opinions is censorship!"
I actually run into this sort of thing fairly often.
I also like the "you can't say he's wrong when he claims that the moon is 10.0064 miles from the earth without doing the same thing he's doing!" schtick.
By "I also like", I mean "The experience is a raging, pulsating hemorhoid of pseudo-enlightened postmodernist 'sensitivity'".