What exactly does Humanoid (Aberrations) give?


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In the Bestiary Appendices all types and subtypes are defined except the Aberration Subtype that only the Elan Race from Psionic Unleashed have.

Also would Elans and Half-Giant would be categorized as powerful races just like Drows are categorized on page 406 of the Core Book? Both Elans and Half-Giant seems somehow stronger than the core races.

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Karse wrote:

In the Bestiary Appendices all types and subtypes are defined except the Aberration Subtype that only the Elan Race from Psionic Unleashed have.

Also would Elans and Half-Giant would be categorized as powerful races just like Drows are categorized on page 406 of the Core Book? Both Elans and Half-Giant seems somehow stronger than the core races.

Ok, a quick scan of my Psionics Unleashed PDF gives no note of any effects of the aberrant subtype. But they should take full damage from aberration bane weapons and effects IIRC. As they are written, I don't believe they really reach the level of powerful races.

All IMHO of course, the Dreamscarred guys would be best suited to answer this.

(side question, my version says Dled 12/21/10, is there a newer version?)


Matthew Morris wrote:
Karse wrote:

In the Bestiary Appendices all types and subtypes are defined except the Aberration Subtype that only the Elan Race from Psionic Unleashed have.

Also would Elans and Half-Giant would be categorized as powerful races just like Drows are categorized on page 406 of the Core Book? Both Elans and Half-Giant seems somehow stronger than the core races.

Ok, a quick scan of my Psionics Unleashed PDF gives no note of any effects of the aberrant subtype. But they should take full damage from aberration bane weapons and effects IIRC. As they are written, I don't believe they really reach the level of powerful races.

All IMHO of course, the Dreamscarred guys would be best suited to answer this.

(side question, my version says Dled 12/21/10, is there a newer version?)

Well the Half-Giant from the previous version 3.5 had an ECL of +1 and the new one are almost the same.

In the Elan case, the Resilience supernatural ability have no maximum value so I think its kinda strong. Assuming the Elan had enough Power Points he could spend 30 points to get 0 damage from a Maximized Fireball that deals 60 dmg right?


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You will probably need to wait until the Psionics Unleashed Bestiary (I believe I saw that was under production) to find out. That's an entry that should be in that (although if the abberant subtype is in the base book, they probably should have added it in for completeness).


mdt wrote:
You will probably need to wait until the Psionics Unleashed Bestiary (I believe I saw that was under production) to find out. That's an entry that should be in that (although if the abberant subtype is in the base book, they probably should have added it in for completeness).

Humanoid(aberration) just closes the loophole that made Elan immune to Hold Person etc. same with Halfgiants as they are now Humanoid(giant)

the Elan ability might fall under the Manifester Level Cap that you can only spend up to your ML in PP on a power (and maybe an ability too?)

besides that if you spent 30 PP that is a large chunk of resources when you could just manifest an immediate action energy resistance

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Karse wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Karse wrote:

In the Bestiary Appendices all types and subtypes are defined except the Aberration Subtype that only the Elan Race from Psionic Unleashed have.

Also would Elans and Half-Giant would be categorized as powerful races just like Drows are categorized on page 406 of the Core Book? Both Elans and Half-Giant seems somehow stronger than the core races.

Ok, a quick scan of my Psionics Unleashed PDF gives no note of any effects of the aberrant subtype. But they should take full damage from aberration bane weapons and effects IIRC. As they are written, I don't believe they really reach the level of powerful races.

All IMHO of course, the Dreamscarred guys would be best suited to answer this.

(side question, my version says Dled 12/21/10, is there a newer version?)

Well the Half-Giant from the previous version 3.5 had an ECL of +1 and the new one are almost the same.

In the Elan case, the Resilience supernatural ability have no maximum value so I think its kinda strong. Assuming the Elan had enough Power Points he could spend 30 points to get 0 damage from a Maximized Fireball that deals 60 dmg right?

Keep in mind, the Elan is effectively blowing a 15th level spell's worth of power to ignore that fireball. That's also between 5 and 100% of his power points depending on level. He also burned an immediate action. If that still worries you, just impose the metacap on the ability, problem solved.

Yes the Half Giant has a +1 LA, in 3.5. Compared to Pathfinder starting races, he's fine.

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Karse wrote:

In the Bestiary Appendices all types and subtypes are defined except the Aberration Subtype that only the Elan Race from Psionic Unleashed have.

Also would Elans and Half-Giant would be categorized as powerful races just like Drows are categorized on page 406 of the Core Book? Both Elans and Half-Giant seems somehow stronger than the core races.

The aberrant subtype grants no benefits. That's why nothing was called out.

In fact, it strips out benefits the elan previously had - immunity to X Person spells, for instance.

Just like the halfling and human subtype grant no benefits.

The same with half-giants - now humanoid (giant), ophiduans - now humanoid (reptilian), and the dromite - now humanoid (insectoid).

The change was to standardize all the races into the "humanoid type", where in 3.5, they were a variety of races that conferred a variety of different benefits (aberrations, monstrous humanoid, etc).

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Thank you for the quick reply Jeremy!

I forgot that changing the half giant's type reduces his power level too (If you're using half giants, expansion is on the table, so gaining enlarge person isn't that big a boost. Being vulnerable to hold/charm/dominate person OTOH...


Sandbox wrote:
mdt wrote:
You will probably need to wait until the Psionics Unleashed Bestiary (I believe I saw that was under production) to find out. That's an entry that should be in that (although if the abberant subtype is in the base book, they probably should have added it in for completeness).

Humanoid(aberration) just closes the loophole that made Elan immune to Hold Person etc. same with Halfgiants as they are now Humanoid(giant)

the Elan ability might fall under the Manifester Level Cap that you can only spend up to your ML in PP on a power (and maybe an ability too?)

besides that if you spent 30 PP that is a large chunk of resources when you could just manifest an immediate action energy resistance

Umm your right about that I guess. Though that ELan abilities works for anything, even physical dmg like perhaps a single attack that was confirm critical and maybe with some sort of extra dmg with Sneak Attack could hence a lot of dmg that could be totally prevented.


Matthew Morris wrote:

Thank you for the quick reply Jeremy!

I forgot that changing the half giant's type reduces his power level too (If you're using half giants, expansion is on the table, so gaining enlarge person isn't that big a boost. Being vulnerable to hold/charm/dominate person OTOH...

I see. So now all Humanoids are standardized. The only thing that makes a Half-Giant quite scary is what I mentioned in a previous post about using Expansion to grow Huge with a large weapon that would turn into Gargantuan. Plus adding Vampiric Blade would make him rather hard to beat since half the weapon base dmg (example Gargantuan Greatsword 6d6) would keep him healed.


Karse wrote:


In the Elan case, the Resilience supernatural ability have no maximum value so I think its kinda strong. Assuming the Elan had enough Power Points he could spend 30 points to get 0 damage from a Maximized Fireball that deals 60 dmg right?

Yes, a 30th level Elan can spend 30 pp and avoid 60 damage.

You forgot that you can't spend more power points than your manifester level.

Further, that's the equivalent of using up a 9th AND 7th level spell slot.

So I'm not seeing how this is overpowered. There are wizard spells that would easily do the same thing at a far lower level for only 1 spell slot.


Karse wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

Thank you for the quick reply Jeremy!

I forgot that changing the half giant's type reduces his power level too (If you're using half giants, expansion is on the table, so gaining enlarge person isn't that big a boost. Being vulnerable to hold/charm/dominate person OTOH...

I see. So now all Humanoids are standardized. The only thing that makes a Half-Giant quite scary is what I mentioned in a previous post about using Expansion to grow Huge with a large weapon that would turn into Gargantuan. Plus adding Vampiric Blade would make him rather hard to beat since half the weapon base dmg (example Gargantuan Greatsword 6d6) would keep him healed.

Humans, dwarves, etc can do the exact same trick. The only difference is that they'll suffer a small penalty for using an oversized weapon.

Is that -2 penalty really so much of a game changer?

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Tobias wrote:
Karse wrote:


In the Elan case, the Resilience supernatural ability have no maximum value so I think its kinda strong. Assuming the Elan had enough Power Points he could spend 30 points to get 0 damage from a Maximized Fireball that deals 60 dmg right?

Yes, a 30th level Elan can spend 30 pp and avoid 60 damage.

You forgot that you can't spend more power points than your manifester level.

Further, that's the equivalent of using up a 9th AND 7th level spell slot.

So I'm not seeing how this is overpowered. There are wizard spells that would easily do the same thing at a far lower level for only 1 spell slot.

Actually, resilience has no limit. It is not a power, it's a supernatural ability, and thus not subject to the manifester level cap.

That being said, it is a highly inefficient way to do it and you can only do it once in a round. You can only really do something like that if you're a primary manifester, since psychic warriors, etc have very lower power point pools.

10 power points = 50 temporary hit points = 20 blocked damage.

Personally, I'd rather have the 50 temporary hit points.

That being said, blowing 30 pp to block 60 damage - if you don't mind spending 10% (or more) of your daily resources in a single swift action... more power to you.


jeremy.smith wrote:
Tobias wrote:
Karse wrote:


In the Elan case, the Resilience supernatural ability have no maximum value so I think its kinda strong. Assuming the Elan had enough Power Points he could spend 30 points to get 0 damage from a Maximized Fireball that deals 60 dmg right?

Yes, a 30th level Elan can spend 30 pp and avoid 60 damage.

You forgot that you can't spend more power points than your manifester level.

Further, that's the equivalent of using up a 9th AND 7th level spell slot.

So I'm not seeing how this is overpowered. There are wizard spells that would easily do the same thing at a far lower level for only 1 spell slot.

Actually, resilience has no limit. It is not a power, it's a supernatural ability, and thus not subject to the manifester level cap.

That being said, it is a highly inefficient way to do it and you can only do it once in a round. You can only really do something like that if you're a primary manifester, since psychic warriors, etc have very lower power point pools.

10 power points = 50 temporary hit points = 20 blocked damage.

Personally, I'd rather have the 50 temporary hit points.

That being said, blowing 30 pp to block 60 damage - if you don't mind spending 10% (or more) of your daily resources in a single swift action... more power to you.

Umm Ok Point taken. Thanks again.


Tobias wrote:
Karse wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

Thank you for the quick reply Jeremy!

I forgot that changing the half giant's type reduces his power level too (If you're using half giants, expansion is on the table, so gaining enlarge person isn't that big a boost. Being vulnerable to hold/charm/dominate person OTOH...

I see. So now all Humanoids are standardized. The only thing that makes a Half-Giant quite scary is what I mentioned in a previous post about using Expansion to grow Huge with a large weapon that would turn into Gargantuan. Plus adding Vampiric Blade would make him rather hard to beat since half the weapon base dmg (example Gargantuan Greatsword 6d6) would keep him healed.

Humans, dwarves, etc can do the exact same trick. The only difference is that they'll suffer a small penalty for using an oversized weapon.

Is that -2 penalty really so much of a game changer?

Umm a Normal person could I guess with the -2 penalty but also the amount of effort needed would increase too. So a normal medium size creature could only wield a larger size one handed weapon. A two handed weapon would be impossible if Im not mistaken.


Tobias wrote:
Humans, dwarves, etc can do the exact same trick. The only difference is that they'll suffer a small penalty for using an oversized weapon.

Actually, they cannot:

D20PFSRD wrote:
The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon. If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.

So a medium creature could wield a large one-handed weapon in two hands at a -2 penalty, but a large two-handed weapon is not possible under the current rules.


Strange, and here I thought the Iconic Barbarian has a Large Greatsword for a Medium character...


Stormhierta wrote:
Strange, and here I thought the Iconic Barbarian has a Large Greatsword for a Medium character...

Nope, it's a large bastard sword.


and if that is not a succesful necromantic spell used to revive an old discussion, I don't know what it is!

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