Pathfinder RPG in Three Years (POLL)


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Liberty's Edge

Let's help paizo figure out what we, the players, want from the game. Please fill in the five empty slots below. Select from the list below, which covers most of the realistic possibilities for upcoming releases. Please only quote the section between the lines in your reply.

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This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. ?
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?
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For ease of quoting, here's a list of the likely candidates for upcoming releases (titles are speculative, see spoiler for explanation of titles):
Bestiary 4
Bestiary 5
Bestiary 6
Gamemastery Guide 2
Immortal's Guide
Mythic Heroes
Pathfinder Alternative Rules
Ultimate Adventure
Ultimate Magic 2
Ultimate Psionics
Other

Some rules for this poll thread to keep things sane and useful to the paizoans:
1. Please read under the spoiler below before voting so that you know what you are voting for.
2. Do not include commentary on what you would like the book to include specifically (the time for that will be when paizo announces upcoming releases, when we'll start seeing "Wish List" threads).
3. Do not respond to other user's votes. This is a poll, it is not a discussion thread. If you agree with a user's votes 100%, you should favorite their post - however do not post your own list if you favorite an existing post. That would be like voting twice.
4. Try not to abuse the Other category. The Other category is for ideas that are truly not represented below, not for ideas that are basically like one of the items listed below but subtly different. I intentionally kept the descriptions broad and vague since the ultimate decision on content is up to paizo.
5. The titles given are placeholders, a vote for a book is not a vote for a book under that specific title.
6. If you are confused by these instructions, see the next post for an example of what your response should look like. The better we all are at following these instructions, the easier this poll will be to tabulate, and thus the more useful it will be for paizo as a planning tool.
7. Do not vote twice. This ain't Chicago.

Detailed Explanations:

Bestiary 4
Would focus on more monsters.

Bestiary 5
Just in case two monster books in the next few years is not enough new monsters for you.

Bestiary 6
For the diehards who think every other book should be a Bestiary, you'll want this option.

Gamemastery Guide 2
Would focus on adventuring from levels 12-20. Would include mechanics for kingdom building, player controlled organizations, details on the Test of the Starstone and general advice on writing and running adventures for high level characters under the current system.

Immortals Guide
Would focus on 20th+ level characters with an emphasis on players becoming demigods. Might include optional rules for streamlining play at high levels. Think Basic D&D Immortals.

Mythic Heroes
Would focus on 20th+ level characters with an emphasis on Exalted style of play. Might include optional rules for streamlining play at high levels. Think Epic Level Handbook.

Pathfinder Alternative Rules
Would focus on alternative subsystems for Pathfinder to achieve different tones and support different styles of play. Material included would likely not receive further support. Think WOTC's Unearthed Arcana.

Ultimate Adventure
Would focus on advanced applications of skills, with subsystems for handling a wide variety of situations and scenarios commonly faced by adventurers - such as fighting while climbing, catching one's self while falling, etc. Would include systems for Might include advanced rules for social interactions, allowing for multistage diplomacy/bluff checks. Think 1E Wilderness Survival Guide/Dungeoneer's Survival Guide, as well as WOTC's Stormwrack, Cityscape, etc.

Ultimate Magic 2
Would focus on alternative magical systems and new base classes using these alternative systems,plus the other goodies we expect from a book on magic (new feats, spells, archetypes, etc.). Think WOTC's Tome of Magic and Magic of Incarnum.

Ultimate Psionics
Would focus on Pathfinder support for psionics. Think WOTC's Expanded Psionics Handbook.

Other
Please include a brief (no more than two sentences) explanation of the "high concept" of the book you want to see.

Liberty's Edge

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Ultimate Adventure
5. Bestiary 4
6. Ultimate Magic 2
7. Bestiary 5
8. Gamemastery Guide 2


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This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Advanced Companion Guide (Improved Familiars, Mounts, Animal Companions, ect.)
5. Bestiary 4
6. Advanced Players Guide 2
7. Ultimate Adventurer (Skills Users Guide)
8. Bestiary 5
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Sorry to break the rule slightly, just wanted to make a distinction between my idea and NPC/Leadership Cohorts.


Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Gamemastery Guide 2
5. Bestiary 4
6. Ultimate Adventure
7. Ultimate Magic 2
8. Mythic Heroes

Honestly, I'd be ok with leaving 3 out in the cold. I just want a clear progression in content that leads people to want to play past level 12.


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Gamemastery Guide 2
5. Ultimate Adventure
6. Pathfinder Alternate Rules
7. Bestiary 4
8. Mythic Heroes

Jon Brazer Enterprises

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3

2012
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. ? ... (I don't know)
5. Big Book of NPCs

2013
6. GMG 2: Levels 11-20 (includes a Kingdom Building Guide with war and spying mechanics)
7. Ultimate Prestige
8. Bestiary 4 with a focus on cr 11-20 monsters.

Some reasons:
I don't see Paizo releasing a GM only book at GenCon so GMG 2 isn't going to be #4. They'll do that in the spring. So 2013 seems to make more sense. If the book covers a different experience than starting characters, Paizo would logically offer up a players book that would give them high level choices. Prestige classes fit that bill much better than archetypes and PFRPG has been woefully lacking in PrCs. The two of these combined should result in more high level play, so 2013 should offer a bestiary that gives more high level monsters. So 2013 should be a whole year of high level play.

2012 is trickier. The expect the Advanced Race Guide is mostly player focused but is partly GM focused as well. It allows GMs to make their own custom races for their own settings. But ... Where do you take that idea for GenCon. Perhaps a campaign setting builder book, but ... that is almost entirely a GM focused book so not likely. I don't really know.

Paizo needed asian monsters for Jade Regent so B3 is a logical choice for 2011. But people have been asking for a book of NPCs for a while (and Paizo toyed with the idea for not doing a B3 this year) so getting one on the schedule for 2012 seems most reasonable.

Just my own thoughts. I'd expect that I would be way off base since I didn't see the Advanced Race Guide on the horizon for a while and was a little caught off guard with UM and UC. So don't take my words as more than just another opinion.


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Mythic Heroes
5. Ultimate Prestige
6. Ultimate Trickery
7. ?????
8. Ultimate Psionics

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

4. Ultimate Skillmonkey
5. High-level
6. Bestiary 4
7. Psionics
8. Mythic
9. some kind of book of opponents, whether that's Bestiary 5, an NPC book, a book of templates, a blend of these, etc.

Dark Archive

There should be no need to pull your hair out over short comments. I listed in order of desire as opposed to best business sense.

Ultimate Equipment
like 3.5 Magic Item Compendium w/pleanty of low level stuff
Advanced Companion Guide
eidolons, special mounts, familiars, animal companions
Ultimate Psionics
though I suspect they will leave to 3rd party publishers(Dreamscarred Press did a great job)
Gamemastery Guide 2
sounded interesting even though I am biased against said levels
Advanced Players Guide 2
more support: feats spells, archtypes, prestige, magic items
New Systems
like Book of Nine Swords, Magic of Incarnum, Tome of Magic
Bestiary 4


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Ultimate Adventure
5. Pathfinder Alternative Rules
6. Big Book of NPCs (from Dale McCoy Jr.'s suggestion)
7. Bestiary 4
8. Gamemastery Guide 2

Liberty's Edge

Raymond Lambert wrote:
There should be no need to pull your hair out over short comments. I listed in order of desire as opposed to best business sense.

It makes tabulation harder. If everyone follows the guidelines I can write a simple script to collect all the data and automatically process it. Your post will have to be manually corrected for entry. So thank you for making extra work for me, Raymond.

Maybe I should just say this: If you can't be bothered to follow the format provided, your vote simply won't be counted when the final tabulation is done.

Liberty's Edge

My guess:

1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Environment book
5. Epic Level Book
6. Bestiary 4
7. Ultimate book for either Rogues and/or Clerics
8. Psionics
9. Equipemnt guide
10. Rise of the Runelord converted to PF and in a hardcover fromat.


1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Gamemastery Guide 2
5. Mythic Heroes
6. Ultimate Psionics
7. Ultimate Adventure
8. Advanced Companion Guide (Improved Familiars, Mounts, Animal Companions, Cohorts ect.)
9. Pathfinder Alternative Rules
10. Rise of the Runelords (PF/Hardcover)


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Pathfinder Alternative Rules /Paths Not Taken (with possible Ultimate Companions inclusion?)
5. Penultimate Adventure w/extra emphasis on running Mercantile/trade games (and Ultimate Companions could be included here as an alternative)
6. Gamemastery Guide 2 w/extra Kingdombuilding and Mass Combat goodness.
7. Book of Wonder - a book made of nothing but the random gen. charts a la GMG1's boat names and such, possibly fueled with/by contest submissions such as from RPG SuperStar. The idea is that it is a 'If All Else Fails' book for GMs that are totally blanking on ideas, but done with an eye towards Pathfinder Core production values - hypothetical Title is obviously an homage to the Wand of Wonder.
8. A true Ultimate Adventure that fuses Immortal Handbook and Mythic/insert superlative here Level Play into a single unit covering both as alternatives to each other, and ways to mix and match the two playstyles.

Liberty's Edge

Again, commentary is not useful. The goal here is to create a dataset which can be tabulated, with weights given to each possibility to create an optimal hypothetical release schedule that will please the maximum number of Pathfinder players.

Mixing and matching the different options to create a highly specific list full of commentary requires that either I go and manually change all of your answers to fit the dataset, or that I discard your data as useless. If you offer up absolutely unique votes, as TheAntiElite just did, the only thing you accomplish is making your vote a series of outliers that will get very low weight.

And again, the names are placeholders. Please do not suggest alternate names for given choices, or repurpose the placeholders, because you only create more work for me and make it more likely that your vote won't count.

Use the Other option if you need to (and I regret not including Ultimate Companions as an option, I'm glad some people are reading through and adding it to their lists), but again: outliers will get a lower weight than established categories.

Also, keep in mind that this poll is about Pathfinder RPG books, not Pathfinder books in general. For example, while I'm sure many people would like to see an updated Rise of the Runelords in hardback, that would still be an AP release, not an RPG release.


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Ultimate Nature
5. Ultimate Gears
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?

Spoiler:

Ultimate Nature: focussed around nature theme with nature focused versions of the bard, wizard, sorcerer... More/different animal companions, beast master version of the cavalier, new base classes, extended use of 'nature skills heal, survival, ride (? How really knows how all those feats work with mounted combat)'. Alternative nature options such as fey based druid for gnomes, vermin based version of the current nature classes etc.
Ultimate Gears: compendium with everything about gear and gears. Includes a take on a robot race (you know what I mean, though is that OGL?), much more equipment, alternative craft rules, equipment focussed classes like the Artificer, prestige classes for a priest that forged it's own weapon (there is a 3.5 version of that I think). Further extension of the guns/cannons and other science related issues that fit in the gears section. Includes largely the Ultimate Equipment from Raymond Lambert, I just don't think you can fill a book with just equipment, hence the extension.

Dark Archive

Gailbraithe wrote:

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:

1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Gamemastery Guide 2
5. Mythic Heroes
6. Bestiary 4
7. Pathfinder Alternative Rules
8. Any other*
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Quite obviously this list comes from a GM's point of view, a GM who feels a bit of player's options bloat to boot. :)

* while any of the listed options would be fine, I'd like to see an hardcover covering geographical informations, Inner Sea Guide style, that details Casmaron or Akiton+Castrovel.

Silver Crusade

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:

1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Whatever Paizo want to produce
5. Whatever Paizo want to produce
6. Whatever Paizo want to produce
7. Whatever Paizo want to produce
8. Whatever Paizo want to produce
9. Whatever Paizo want to produce
10. Whatever Paizo want to produce

Liberty's Edge

FallofCamelot wrote:

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:

1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Whatever Paizo want to produce
5. Whatever Paizo want to produce
6. Whatever Paizo want to produce
7. Whatever Paizo want to produce
8. Whatever Paizo want to produce
9. Whatever Paizo want to produce
10. Whatever Paizo want to produce

Very true. In the end all we can do is guess .Paizo has the final word.


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Immortal's Guide
5. Ultimate Companion
6. Gamemastery Guide 2
7. Bestiary 4
8. Advanced Players Guide 2


memorax wrote:
FallofCamelot wrote:

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:

1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Whatever Paizo want to produce
5. Whatever Paizo want to produce
6. Whatever Paizo want to produce
7. Whatever Paizo want to produce
8. Whatever Paizo want to produce
9. Whatever Paizo want to produce
10. Whatever Paizo want to produce

Very true. In the end all we can do is guess .Paizo has the final word.

Yup, and they seem to do just fine by me so far.


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG for this survey:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Companions & Races Guide
4. High Level Play
5. Bestiary 4
6. Mythic Heroes, Immortals and Legends
7. Bestiary 5
8. Pathfinder Psionics
9. PRFPG RotRL Hardcover - Anniversary Edition


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. World Guide 2 (Whatever area Paizo wants)
5. Epic Level Guide
6. Bestiary 4
7. Ultimate Equipment
8. World Guide 3 (Whatever area Paizo wants)


Ultimate Nature
Game Mastery 2
Epic Level book
Pathfinder version of Draconomicon (including rules for a dragon pc party)
Ultimate Adventurer (More or less a book with various odds and ends, such as Traits, PrC (some generic/some Golarion specific), Archetypes that didn't fit in with themes from other books or are in sync with various adventure paths. Also, guidelines for other options like owning a tavern/running a kingdom etc.)

Dark Archive

Assuming I had a say in things I would like the following. This is also on the assumption there is 4 books a year. My order would change if their was more or less per year. Since I would like to see one bestiary a year, no more no less.

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Gamemastery Guide 2
5. Pathfinder Alternative Rules
6. Bestiary 4
7. Ultimate Adventure
8. Ultimate Magic 2
9. Mythic Heroes
10. Bestiary 5
11. Other - some type of advanced rules like a gamemastery guide 3 style
12. Ultimate Psionics - you could flip this and mythic hero's if one wanted.

That would be my next list to take up to Paizo Con 2014.


Pathfinder Companion, Maps Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Super Science Book (For Numeria AP)
5. NPC Bestiary
6. Epic Level Play
7. Casmaron World Guide
8. Psionics

Jon Brazer Enterprises

Justin Franklin wrote:


4. Super Science Book (For Numeria AP)

This I could definitely see.

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

I can't believe I forgot to put in a planar book. Let's try again.

4. Ultimate Skillmonkey
5. Planar
6. Bestiary 4
7. High-level
8. Psionics
9. some kind of book of opponents, whether that's Bestiary 5, an NPC book, a book of templates, a blend of these, etc.
10. Mythic

Dark Archive

Joe Wells wrote:

I can't believe I forgot to put in a planar book. Let's try again.

4. Ultimate Skillmonkey
5. Planar
6. Bestiary 4
7. High-level
8. Psionics
9. some kind of book of opponents, whether that's Bestiary 5, an NPC book, a book of templates, a blend of these, etc.
10. Mythic

You I answered mine with out reading any of the posts but the OP's now having read the thread there is several books others have listed I would love to see instead of some of the ones I listed.

Jon Brazer Enterprises

Joe Wells wrote:

5. Planar

I believe JJ said they're not going to do one of these in the RPG line since they have the campaign setting series for that (of which they already have a 64 page gazateer).

Scarab Sages

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Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber

My hopeful list:
1) Ultimate Combat
2) Bestiary 3
3) Advanced Race Guide
4) Epic Handbook
5) Stronghold / Kingdom Builder's Guidebook
6) GMG2 (With more focus on world building)
7) Advanced Companion Guide
8) Bestiary 4
9) Ultimate Epic

Edit: No psionics on there, because Dreamscarred's will be the de facto standard by then, moreso than it already is.

Owner - House of Books and Games LLC

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:

1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3

3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Gamemastery Guide 2
5. Mythic Heroes
6. Bestiary 4

7. Advanced Players Guide 2
8. Savage Species
9. Adventures in the Multiverse (planar and planetary)
10. Bestiary 5

Note: I'd like to see 4/year instead of 3/year, given that there seems to be a bestiary every year, leaving only 2 slots for "other."


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1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Ultimate Psionics
5. Mythic Heroes
6. Spell Compendium
7. Pathfinder African Adventures
8. Adventure Archive (OOP Modules [Updated for Pathfinder])
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This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Gamemastery Guide 2
5. Ultimate Adventure
6. Mythic Heroes
7. Immortal's Guide
8. Pathfinder Alternative Rules


1) Ultimate Combat
2) Bestiary 3
3) Advanced Race Guide
4) Advanced Companion Guide
5) GMG2
6) Epic Rulebook
7) Bestiary 4
8) Stronghold/Kingdom/Mass Combat Guide
9) APG II


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This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Bestiary 4
5. Advanced Player's Guide 2
6. Mythic Heroes
7. Mythic Bestiary
8. ??? PROFIT
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Gailbraithe wrote:

Again, commentary is not useful. The goal here is to create a dataset which can be tabulated, with weights given to each possibility to create an optimal hypothetical release schedule that will please the maximum number of Pathfinder players.

Mixing and matching the different options to create a highly specific list full of commentary requires that either I go and manually change all of your answers to fit the dataset, or that I discard your data as useless. If you offer up absolutely unique votes, as TheAntiElite just did, the only thing you accomplish is making your vote a series of outliers that will get very low weight.

And again, the names are placeholders. Please do not suggest alternate names for given choices, or repurpose the placeholders, because you only create more work for me and make it more likely that your vote won't count.

First, malarkey, unless you are choosing to more or less contradict the entire bloody point of this exercise in opinion-expression.

Gailbraithe wrote:
Let's help paizo figure out what we, the players, want from the game.

Just because it requires more nuance and detail than a generic cut and paste does not make it any less of an expression of what I want, with concessions of what I do NOT want with the compromise of what may turn my views around on the matter. And for extra pedantic measure...

Gailbraithe wrote:
Please include a brief (no more than two sentences) explanation of the "high concept" of the book you want to see.

For supposedly un-useful commentary, I'd say calling someone out for offering up the EXPLICITLY solicited information (to wit, what the players, or more specifically, THIS specific sample of players) is particularly unhelpful, especially when the purpose of said information to show where and how the specific desires are weighted, and how they would optimally accomplish the vaunted goal of saying SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY.

Alternate Name Suggestions came forth after the demonstrated proof that PAIZO FREAKING LISTENS in light of the rather wise decision to fore-go the terribly unfortunate Ultimate Races. Maybe having better suggestions from the onset will result in heightened enthusiasm for the potential product. Perhaps, had that been in the offering earlier, Ultimate Magic might have been Pathfinder Grimoire, or some other non-Ultimate Magic name.

Other book concepts are welcome, but suggestions for condensing titles for optimal efficiency is somehow unmerited? That doesn't pass the proverbial smell test, and implies an attempt at confirmation bias on the part of the pollster, severely impacting credibility.

Calling a book Ultimate Adventure when there's still many multitudes of adventures possible afterwards is silly, even if one isn't being needlessly hypercritical - if (insert superlative here) Level Play beyond the 12-20 mark is the proverbial final frontier, then calling the 12-20 book Ultimate Anything would be patently ridiculous.

If you're going to volunteer for soliciting opinions, you should be prepared to accurately report your received results, not whinge because someone went outside of the pre-generated lines...and especially when there's an 'Other' option explicitly made for such things. Basic deductive reasoning should make it easy enough to apply a direct point-value conversion to the respective choices, with the points going the aforementioned title where one exists, splitting it into half-points where combination is advised over outright individual 'splat glut'.

I'm not saying I've seen better run political push polls, but I'm severely disappointed at the tone taken already, particularly in light of keeping my answers at least appropriate to the survey by being setting-agnostic rather than adventure path anthologies.

Dark Archive

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Any module/Adventure or Campaign specific guides or Bestiaries.(no more rules bloat)
5. Any module/Adventure or Campaign specific guides or Bestiaries.(no more rules bloat)
6. Any module/Adventure or Campaign specific guides or Bestiaries.(no more rules bloat)
7. Any module/Adventure or Campaign specific guides or Bestiaries.(no more rules bloat)
8. Any module/Adventure or Campaign specific guides or Bestiaries.(no more rules bloat)

Scarab Sages

My 2 cents:

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Ultimate Primer (overview of the other planets in the solar system; later on doing one gazetteer book per planet)
5. Ultimate Companion & Mount Guide ("Ultimate Critters")
6. Ultimate Races
7. Gamemastery Guide 2
8. Mythic Heroes


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Ultimate Guide to Crafts and Leadership*
5. Ultimate Adventure
6. Mythic Heroes
7. Bestiary 4
8. Alternate Rules

*this would be sort of a stronghold book, but expanded in 2 additional directions: rules to expand handling of followers and ruling of realms, warfare and stuff, and connected to stronghold building, overhaul of crating rules, tons of new special materials, metals, woods, alchemicals, and similar stuff. Optional, an artificer class or archetype/s.


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Gamemastery Guide 2
4. Ultimate Adventure
5. Bestiary 4
6. Ultimate Magic 2
7. Bestiary 5
8. Advanced Race Guide

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Advanced Game Mastery Guide
5. Ultimate Skillmonkey
6. Guide to High Level and "Epic" Play
7. Bestiary 4
8. ? ((I'm done.))


I think it's safe to say that there is going to be one Bestiary per year and that no books other than bestiaries will get a sequel. There will be no GMG 2. That said:

1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Ultimate Equipment
6. Ultimate Epic
7. Bestiary 4
8. Ultimate Adventure


1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Ultimate Race
4. PRFPG RotRL Hardcover - Anniversary Edition
5. Advanced Player Guide 2 (really *_*)
6. Mythic Levels and Immortals
7. Ultimate Scoundrel
8. Pathfinder Psionics

Sovereign Court

The Forgotten wrote:

I think it's safe to say that there is going to be one Bestiary per year and that no books other than bestiaries will get a sequel. There will be no GMG 2. That said:

1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Ultimate Equipment
6. Ultimate Epic
7. Bestiary 4
8. Ultimate Adventure

What do you mean ONLY one Bestiary per year ! I am offended ! :)

Hell, I don't care much for other rules. Maybe an Ultimate Classes at some point to add yet more classes ?

An Ultimate Prestige, with only PRCs from Golarion ?
An ultimate Feats ?
Ultimate spells ?

But hey, I'd prefer more adventures, more wonderous places, and less emphasis on rules.


Pathfinder Adventure Subscriber

This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:
1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Ultimate Adventure
5. Gamemastery Guide 2
6. 7. 8. Don't care

-- david
Papa.DRB

(based on your definitions of UA & GG2)


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens Subscriber

If you want to make a poll, use polling software and link to it. This is a discussion board, so commentary will happen.

I doubt any non-bestiary will have a number attached. Paizo is more creative at naming than that.

I want to see a high adventure guidebook. Rules and GM advice for games level 15-30.
Psionics. Strongholds (including thieves guilds, armies, and wizard's towers).

After that I'm not sure. Much later I'd like to see magic item and spell collections.


As a GM just transitioning to Pathfinder from 3.5, what I'd like is:

4. Gamemastery Guide 2
5. Bestiary 4 (focus on CR 10-25)
6. Pathfinder Alternative Rules
7. Mythic Heroes
8. Mythic Bestiary (focus on CR 20-35), maybe called Bestiary 5 for simplicity

Note, that is preferred publication order, if I only get some of them, the order of importance is:

1. Gamemastery Guide 2
2. Mythic Heroes
3. Pathfinder Alternative Rules
4. Mythic Bestiary (focus on CR 20-35)
5. Bestiary 4 (focus on CR 10-25)

Pick the list that makes most sense in your spreadsheet.


1. Psionics (if they are very different from the 3.5 rules)
2. Companions
3. Lower level gear/equipment, wondrous magical technology and inventions (includes ships)
4. Large adventuring sites, with creative environment, traps and puzzles (includes guilds, towers, temples ... not cliche, would better work with Golarion details)
5. maybe a book that expands the existing class features, where you can do more with them, even in noncombat situations

Gamemastery Guide 2, not needed at all


This should be the upcoming release schedule for Pathfinder RPG:

1. Ultimate Combat
2. Bestiary 3
3. Advanced Race Guide
4. Gamemastery Guide 2
5. Ultimate Adventure
6. Ultimate Magic 2
7. Mythic Heroes
8. Bestiary 4

This - I think - gives a proper build-up to the mytic rules, and a much need break from the bestiaries.

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