Now, according to the Ultimate Magic book, an Alchemist can choose to be a Chirurgeon, a healer. They trade in the use of Poison for the ability to heal more effectively, and one of their abilities, the Anaesthetic ability, grants them the Skill Focus (Heal) feat and the ability that when using the Heal skill in/on/under conditions that would normally inflict damage to the target, can ensure the patient only takes minimal damage.
This ability replaces Poison Resistance +4. Does this mean a Chirurgeon 'skips' Poison Resistance +4 and then goes on to gain Poison Resistance +6 and Poison Immunity at 8th and 10th level? I can't see this working out too well, but then I am of the mindset that the Chirurgeon instead gains +4 Poison Resistance at 8th level and +6 Poison Resistance at 10th level.
I'm also assuming that Swift Poisoning is also removed from the Chirurgeon's list of Class Abilities as I can't see a class gaining Swift Poisoning without the ability to use Poison in the first place, but that's just me.
Does anyone have an Errata link or something similar I can use to wrap this up? Seems to be a little bit of a loop-hole here.
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He loses poison immunity at 10th level regardless.
My suggestion is just run it as written and have him gain poison resistance +6 at 8th level. You could argue that it should only bump it to +4 from +2 but it's not a huge difference and ultimately the Anesthetic ability isn't that great.
So he loses poison use, and poison immunity, and has slightly less poison resistance for three levels in between.
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According to the UM rules, the Chirurgeon gains Use Poison instead of Swift Poisoning, and gains Poison Resistance +4 at 8th level & Poison Resistance +6 at 10th, losing Poison Immunity.
According to the UM rules, the Chirurgeon gains Use Poison instead of Swift Poisoning, and gains Poison Resistance +4 at 8th level & Poison Resistance +6 at 10th, losing Poison Immunity.
Hmmm, not seeing it in my PDF, but thank you.
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According to the UM rules, the Chirurgeon gains Use Poison instead of Swift Poisoning, and gains Poison Resistance +4 at 8th level & Poison Resistance +6 at 10th, losing Poison Immunity.Huh? Where are you getting this from?
Well, the rules on page 9 do say thst increases in class abilities are shifted to the next time it's given. So as Poison Resistance +4 is replaced, Poison Resistance +6 becomes +4. Poison Immunity is explicitly replaced by Power Over Death, and I suspect Bardess is applying the general rule as if Swift Poisoning was an improvement on Poison Use.
Perhaps the APG?
UM page 14.
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UM page 14.
Aha!
If an archetype replaces a class ability that is part of a series of improvements or additions to a base ability (such as a fighter’s weapon training or a ranger’s favored enemy), the next time the character would gain that ability, it counts as the lower-level ability that was replaced by the archetype. In effect, all abilities in that series are delayed until the next time the class improves that ability. For example, if an archetype replaces a rogue’s +2d6 sneak attack bonus at 3rd level, when she reaches 5th level and gains a sneak attack bonus, her sneak attack doesn’t jump from +1d6 to +3d6—it improves to +2d6, just as if she had finally gained the increase at 3rd level. This adjustment continues for every level at which her sneak attack would improve, until at 19th
level she has +9d6 instead of the +10d6 of a standard rogue.
So you are right, at 8th level it bumps up to +4.
Good catch (if a bit confusing on the reference ;) )
Good catch (if a bit confusing on the reference ;) )
Indeed! Many thanks, Bardess!
You're welcome anytime... I'm a beginner too, as you may have understood^^