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11) I'm a little confused about temporary ability score increases. Why is a Tome of Leadership and Influence 27,500gp for a +1 increase to CHA, yet a Headband of Alluring Charisma is only 4,000gp for a +2 increase?

I assumed this was because the Tome, once read, gives you a permanent increase, whereas the Headband only works when you wear it. Is this true?

And the Headband also says "Treat this as a temporary ability bonus for the first 24 hours the headband is worn." So what happens after the first 24 hours? Does it become permanent?


OriginalAragorn wrote:

11) I'm a little confused about temporary ability score increases. Why is a Tome of Leadership and Influence 27,500gp for a +1 increase to CHA, yet a Headband of Alluring Charisma is only 4,000gp for a +2 increase?

I assumed this was because the Tome, once read, gives you a permanent increase, whereas the Headband only works when you wear it. Is this true?

And the Headband also says "Treat this as a temporary ability bonus for the first 24 hours the headband is worn." So what happens after the first 24 hours? Does it become permanent?

For the first 24 hours, it does not count for fulfilling prerequisites for feats, increased number of spells, maximum spell level, or whatever else might be dependent on the ability in question. After that initial period, it does count for all of that, but only if you continue to wear it constantly.

Side note: I always wondered how someone with a belt of (whatever) took a bath, since the magic goes away once you take it off, and it takes a full day to reattune to it.


Jeff1964 wrote:
OriginalAragorn wrote:

11) I'm a little confused about temporary ability score increases. Why is a Tome of Leadership and Influence 27,500gp for a +1 increase to CHA, yet a Headband of Alluring Charisma is only 4,000gp for a +2 increase?

I assumed this was because the Tome, once read, gives you a permanent increase, whereas the Headband only works when you wear it. Is this true?

And the Headband also says "Treat this as a temporary ability bonus for the first 24 hours the headband is worn." So what happens after the first 24 hours? Does it become permanent?

For the first 24 hours, it does not count for fulfilling prerequisites for feats, increased number of spells, maximum spell level, or whatever else might be dependent on the ability in question. After that initial period, it does count for all of that, but only if you continue to wear it constantly.

Side note: I always wondered how someone with a belt of (whatever) took a bath, since the magic goes away once you take it off, and it takes a full day to reattune to it.

Thanks! That makes sense.

As for your last question, yeah that headband or belt is going to get pretty ripe after a while! Apparently bathing is for sissies! ;)


Jeff1964 wrote:


Side note: I always wondered how someone with a belt of (whatever) took a bath, since the magic goes away once you take it off, and it takes a full day to reattune to it.

I always ignored that part or house ruled that it did not need the 24 hour readjustment.


Yeah most people I know just hand-wave away the fact that you have to take off your magic items to bathe properly, it just struck me as funny that DnD seems to gloss over certain bodily needs and functions, even in the more gritty and realistic settings.


Most people treat the 'must continue wearing it' as 'must continue to wear it every day'. So, if you take it off to sleep you're fine, as long as you wear it for at least 13 hours a day, you maintain the benefits.

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OriginalAragorn wrote:
Wow, Charge is an interesting topic all by itself! Based on reading page 183 and Squeek's email, I now take it to mean that the act of charging doesn't initiate an AOO, but you are still subject to AOO's from moving out of any threatened squares - up to and including an AOO from your intended target if he has reach.

A good example of this would be if you charged the ogre with, say, a lance or a longspear. When using a reach weapon, you will end your charge 5' away from the opponent. Because you did not move through his threatened area (only *into* it), you do not provoke an Attack of Opportunity. The charge itself doesn't provoke, but any movement you make to get in range might.


Tamago wrote:
OriginalAragorn wrote:
Wow, Charge is an interesting topic all by itself! Based on reading page 183 and Squeek's email, I now take it to mean that the act of charging doesn't initiate an AOO, but you are still subject to AOO's from moving out of any threatened squares - up to and including an AOO from your intended target if he has reach.
A good example of this would be if you charged the ogre with, say, a lance or a longspear. When using a reach weapon, you will end your charge 5' away from the opponent. Because you did not move through his threatened area (only *into* it), you do not provoke an Attack of Opportunity. The charge itself doesn't provoke, but any movement you make to get in range might.

That's both a very good illustration of how the charge would work, and also a good lesson on the wisdom of packing a reach weapon!


Jeff1964 wrote:
Yeah most people I know just hand-wave away the fact that you have to take off your magic items to bathe properly, it just struck me as funny that DnD seems to gloss over certain bodily needs and functions, even in the more gritty and realistic settings.

But, imagine if they did include it, right down to being even in the mechanics, items and spells (like Modinkins Instant Out House).


Jeff1964 wrote:
Yeah most people I know just hand-wave away the fact that you have to take off your magic items to bathe properly, it just struck me as funny that DnD seems to gloss over certain bodily needs and functions, even in the more gritty and realistic settings.

... what do you think Prestidigitation is for? :D


Patryn of Elvenshae wrote:
Jeff1964 wrote:
Yeah most people I know just hand-wave away the fact that you have to take off your magic items to bathe properly, it just struck me as funny that DnD seems to gloss over certain bodily needs and functions, even in the more gritty and realistic settings.
... what do you think Prestidigitation is for? :D

Parlor tricks?

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