Suggestions on magic item


3.5/d20/OGL


We just finished a mission where we earned a reward where we can pick a Wizards Guild to craft us any magic item worth 16,000 GP. Our DM will allow us to kick in extra gold pieces if we want to get something more expensive. I have around 43,000 GP extra. Anything is allowed from official 3.5 books. The Complete series, Magic Item Compendium, DMG, etc.

My question is, what is your suggestion on an item? I am 16th level (cast as a 15th level Sorcerer). I am thinking about picking up a Metamagic Rod, Maximize (1st-6th level). It is 54,000 GP and would take most of my remaining funds.

I have also thought about maybe a +2 Charisma book or getting a +6 Charisma cloak, although I have a Cloak of Resistance +3 that has really helped me out on more than one occasion, so I am really hesitant about that.

Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.


Hobbun wrote:
I have also thought about ... a +6 Charisma cloak, although I have a Cloak of Resistance +3 that has really helped me out

Upgrade your cloak to a charismatic cloak of resistance. Any existing magic item can be upgraded or have additional functions added to it.

The DMG has rules and pricing for this. You can also design custom magic items, such as a charismatic rod of maximizing metamagic or something similar.

Per RAW, it helps if the items have thematically-similar qualities, as this decreases the incremental price, vs. dissimilar qualities that increase it. However, given the exponential scale of some magic item pricing, sometimes you can double the cost of a +x item for less than the cost of a +(x+1) item and save an item-slot, making it a worthwhile trade-off.

HTH,

Rez


Rezdave wrote:
Hobbun wrote:
I have also thought about ... a +6 Charisma cloak, although I have a Cloak of Resistance +3 that has really helped me out

Upgrade your cloak to a charismatic cloak of resistance. Any existing magic item can be upgraded or have additional functions added to it.

The DMG has rules and pricing for this. You can also design custom magic items, such as a charismatic rod of maximizing metamagic or something similar.

Per RAW, it helps if the items have thematically-similar qualities, as this decreases the incremental price, vs. dissimilar qualities that increase it. However, given the exponential scale of some magic item pricing, sometimes you can double the cost of a +x item for less than the cost of a +(x+1) item and save an item-slot, making it a worthwhile trade-off.

HTH,

Rez

I would love that Charismatic Cloak of Resistance, but I don't know if my DM will allow it. He can be touch and go and about custom items. Thanks though.

Anyone else have any suggestions?


Hobbun wrote:
I don't know if my DM will allow it. He can be touch and go and about custom items.

Refer your DM to p.284 of the DMG ... the rules are there for a reason. So are all the Craft feats.

Just look at it this way: Originally, every magic items in the rules was a custom item created by some DM, Player or Developer until is was published. There's no reason you shouldn't have the same option.

The fact that you are willing to pay 2x the price for the less-expensive of your Charisma or Resistance benefits (since they are "dissimilar functions") might mollify any raised hackles.

HTH,

R.


I will bring it up to my GM and see what he says.

But please be aware, just because there may be a rule in the book, the GM at any time can disregard at any time and use his own. So just because it's 'in the book' doesn't mean it is automatic.

But that being said, my GM is usually pretty open so he may just allow it.


Hobbun wrote:
But please be aware, just because there may be a rule in the book, the GM at any time can disregard at any time

I'm the same way. My default position (it's written in my published Table Rules) is that my answer to anything you attempt will always be "No ... now convince me why I'm wrong."

Just trying to provide you with a little ammunition is all. Personally, I love creating new magic items. My world it a low-economy/mid-magic one, so after they're done collecting +1 weapons and armor, the PCs generally are crafting custom items for themselves, because they can't purchase "off-the-shelf" gear and much of what they find/loot was tailored and custom-suited to a previous owner and not them.

Here's another thing to consider ... unless the Wizards' Guild is literally walking them into an existing magic shop and forcing them to choose off-the-shelf, then whatever the PCs select is pretty much a custom-made item anyway, so why not custom-spec. as well?

FWIW,

R.


Well, our GM isn’t to that extent where he says no to everything and we have to prove why he’s wrong. But he does worry about balance a lot of times, and depending on the power of item, will not always allow abilities to be combined on one item. Now I’m referring to custom items, anything out of the book he allows.

But other than that, you/your world sounds very much like our GM. It’s one of the reasons I decided to go with a character taking several of the Item Creation feats. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.

And what I mean by ‘custom item’, is anything not already in the books. So no, if we ask the Wizard to craft us an item directly out of one of the books, it is not custom. However, a Cloak of Charismatic Resistance would be.

But again, I don’t think he should have a problem with this item. I will have to ask him.

What I am debating on now is several things. One, a Vest of Resistance +5 to replace my current Cloak of Resistance +3. With this option I would save a lot of money and keep most of my current funds as I would only be paying an extra 9,000 GP, and then be selling my cloak on top of it.

A second option would be adding Charisma +6 to my current resistance cloak. Giving me that Cloak of Charismatic Resistance. It would be +6 Charisma and the existing +3 Resistance (for saves). The total price would be 54,000 (1.5 times price of Cloak of Charisma +6), and then 16,000 GP taken out from our reward. So I would be kicking in a total of 38,000 GP.

Then my final option would be a Metamagic Rod of Maximize for levels 1-6. That would also be 54,000, so would be kicking in the same amount as above (38,000). I am a nuker, so this would work well with me, and I know it is the one my GM recommends. But I really like that +6 to Charisma!

What is your suggestion?


Hobbun wrote:

One, a ...

A second option would be ...

Then my final option would be ...

What is your suggestion?

My suggestion is "go with whatever is both In-character for your PC, but also will make you as a Player most happy". You shouldn't come out of this feeling like you did something just to please the GM or "because it was best for the party" or feeling any buyer's remorse as a Player.

You've got several good options that all seem fine and useful mechanically. Now, just pick the one that makes you happiest. If you really want the Charisma, get that and be done with it no matter what anyone else says. Because you're a Sorcerer it will basically help you across the board (what's the point of a maximized Fireball if everyone's saving against it) and you can always buy more stuff later.

R.


Well, to give an update (although the only one reading right now is Rezdave lol).

I spoke to my GM, and he told me he didn’t realize I wanted to add that much on top of the 16,000 GP magic item we received in the reward.

He said “It isn’t yes or no, but I’ll have to think about it.” I think he is going to probably say no, as he does have a faction system set up on how he limits on how powerful of a magic item we can purchase. His own WBL system, you could say.

Basically for a certain faction level (like for me, it would be for Mage’s Guild faction, which covers Wizards and Sorcerers), you can purchase a magic item worth ‘x’ amount of gold. I am 13th level Mage’s Guild faction, and I believe the most expensive item I can purchase is around 25,000 GP right now.

That is why I really wanted to pump in extra GP for this reward item as it didn’t seem like he was going to limit us by our faction level. There have been some things I’ve wanted to buy, but I couldn’t because my faction wasn’t high enough so I just held onto my funds.

When I told him what I wanted to do with the +6 Charisma added on my resistance cloak, and how much it costed, he seemed really hesitant on it and said he’d have to think about it.

Shadow Lodge

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You could look into trading in your cloak of resistance for a vest of resistance and getting a CHA boost item then. I can't remember which book they were in but 3.5 put out the vests of resistance because of how it interfered a lot in the cloak slot.


Yes, I said in a couple posts up it was one of the options I was thinking of, a +5 Vest of Resistance. However, I would have rather just added a bonus to Charisma to my current cloak, as the Wizard will only make us one magic item/upgrade as the reward. And if I got the vest, that would be it. Then I’d have to find a way to get the Charisma cloak somehow later on instead of having my Charisma bonus now.

And btw, the vests are in the Magic Item Compendium.

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