Please don't call it 'Ultimate Races'


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I dislike the Ultimate in the titles as well and was wishing to see them move away from it after UC....

So how about Pathfinder:Advanced Races Guide or Pathfinder Races. Both are simple....I really don't the title to uber awesome.

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Kind of off topic Polish joke:

Spoiler:
A reporter once asked a Polish soldier, "If you were invaded by Germany and Russia at the same time, who would you shoot first."

The solder thought for a moment and said, "The Germans, of course!"

The reporter asked why.

"Business always before pleasure."

Not sure how true it is (my family roots to Poland bugged out in the 1920's)


I would buy a book called "Postultimate Races".

I wouldn't really even care what was in it.

Liberty's Edge

Helaman wrote:

After having bought the Inner Sea Guide (thinking it was a one stop shop) and the Inner Sea Primer (so I could get the traits I thought were in the ISG) I'm just gonna stop at that... its getting silly.

The APG was inspired! I think its a must have... Ultimate Magic, hmmmm - its ok. I'll buy UC just for completeness sake I suppose, but Ultimate Races? Sheesh. A lot of this is already covered in the Races of Golarian books and APG - enough already.

Let me out, its getting bloated in here.

You're getting confused between "Races that are in Golarion, Paizo's campaign setting" and "Races that Paizo wants the Pathfinder ruleset to support". If you want to play in Golarion, you've absolutely bought everything you need to. If you have a homebrew game where you want grippli to be playable, you might want this book.

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Personally, I'd lean towards the title Alternate Races, or even the Alternate Race Guide. Something that says to me "options" rather than "imoprovements". But that's my opinion.

That's my main beef with "Ultimate" in the title. It makes it sound like a more powerful book of options rather than a set of alternate ideas (which it should be, and is).


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Seriously, the "ZOMGZ IZ TEH BLOATZ!" whining is really getting old.

2009:

CRB
Bestiary

2010:

APG
GMG

2011:

Bestiary 2
UM
UC*
Bestiary 3*

2012:

UR**

Nine books. NINE. One of them (UR) isn't even officially a product, and two of them (UC and Bestiary 3) haven't been released.

Holy moly, that's a lot of bloat, yes sir! Shame on you, Paizo! You promised that you'd only ever release one single book ever, you horrible people!

And, oh my stars, I just noticed something! Paizo released 2 books in 2009, 2 in 2010 and they're set to release FOUR in 2011! That must mean they'll release EVEN MORE in 2012! By 2015, they'll be releasing a book a month! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!


Brian E. Harris wrote:
Seriously, the "ZOMGZ IZ TEH BLOATZ!" whining is really getting old.

So is the counter-whining, Brian. It has a way of seriously derailing threads.

THIS thread is NOT about rules bloat, or even the merits/drawbacks of a new race book. This thread is about the title, which I don't like, and I hope that they change.

It is quite likely that I will buy the book, irrespective of the title they choose. I post because I would like my future book to have a good title.


Evil Lincoln wrote:
Brian E. Harris wrote:
Seriously, the "ZOMGZ IZ TEH BLOATZ!" whining is really getting old.
So is the counter-whining, Brian. It has a way of seriously derailing threads.

God forbid this be the first thread where that happens.


Brian E. Harris wrote:

Seriously, the "ZOMGZ IZ TEH BLOATZ!" whining is really getting old.

2009:

CRB
Bestiary

2010:

APG
GMG

2011:

Bestiary 2
UM
UC*
Bestiary 3*

2012:

UR**

Nine books. NINE. One of them (UR) isn't even officially a product, and two of them (UC and Bestiary 3) haven't been released.

Holy moly, that's a lot of bloat, yes sir! Shame on you, Paizo! You promised that you'd only ever release one single book ever, you horrible people!

And, oh my stars, I just noticed something! Paizo released 2 books in 2009, 2 in 2010 and they're set to release FOUR in 2011! That must mean they'll release EVEN MORE in 2012! By 2015, they'll be releasing a book a month! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

What about [Race]s of Golarion? Or [Book about Random City] Guide or whatever? Where are those?


Cartigan wrote:
What about [Race]s of Golarion? Or [Book about Random City] Guide or whatever? Where are those?

Campaign setting books are not part of the RPG line.

Grand Lodge

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How about: "The Pathfinder Guide to Anthropology"?

Or: "The Anthropological History of Golarion"?

Hmm. "Culture Shock"?


Evil Lincoln wrote:
Taliesin Hoyle wrote:

I am a member of the ultimate race, and am looking forward to the day when the ....

That is why ultimate race is perhaps not the best choice of title.

Godwin'd.

Exactly that is why I want the book with that name.

Or maybe sth with Godwin in the title? The book formerly known as but renamed because of Godwin's Law? *hmm...


What next: Ultimate Genders?

;-P


Pual wrote:

What next: Ultimate Genders?

;-P

"Ultimate Sex" (edit.. Ok.. I guess more like "Ultimate Sexes"?..) would be more "non-ambiguous" and as such that would make a good book to stand next to Ultimate Races? :P

Liberty's Edge

Cartigan wrote:
I don't see a problem with making new player races, or better yet, better defining current races we have that are usable as player races but not really because there isn't really a "creature as PC race" system officially on the books.

Well, it is still a bit early for human genetic engineering ;)

A few more character races for now will suffice.

Pual wrote:

What next: Ultimate Genders?

;-P

After a blotched Knowledge roll in one of my old campaign it was established that the beholders have seven genders.


Pual wrote:
What next: Ultimate Genders?

Will there be an open playtest for the new threemale?


Were I the one with the time machine, I'd have to agree with Evil Lincoln - Pathfinder Grimoire, Pathfinder Combat Compendium, Pathfinder Census...

Alternately, I liked the Advanced Races Guide, because it will make people go ARG.

I also am working on something that I might want to submit as a 3PP, though, so I should keep that name to myself...


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Gorbacz wrote:

I think a better name is Extreme Races, with cover art featuring an Aasimar on steroids, holding two oversized plasma cannons.

Drawn by Rob Liefeld, of course.

Of course, none of the races would be able to go anywhere... having horribly deformed feet, or else missing them entirely.

On the bright side, though, they would never lack for pouches to store things in!

One of the funniest websites I've ever seen: The 40 Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings (a bit of potentially NSFW language)


I want a name that makes me think of Dungeons & Dragons and the fantasy genre in general. Like "Ultimate Racial Fantasy Dungeon".


Evil Lincoln wrote:
I'm not fuming about this or anything, but I want to express my preference as a customer...

I agree 100%,

GRU


hogarth wrote:
I want a name that makes me think of Dungeons & Dragons and the fantasy genre in general. Like "Ultimate Racial Fantasy Dungeon".

Don't. Google. That.


Evil Lincoln wrote:
hogarth wrote:
I want a name that makes me think of Dungeons & Dragons and the fantasy genre in general. Like "Ultimate Racial Fantasy Dungeon".
Don't. Google. That.

The bad thing is, now Paizo is going to show up when people do Google that.


That is why I chose the "Big book of Races" for my homebrew race book.


I have a lot of problems not flubbing Ultimate Races into Ultimate Racist.

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Pual wrote:

What next: Ultimate Genders?

;-P

Well there's only one, the other one is men. :)


Brian E. Harris wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
What about [Race]s of Golarion? Or [Book about Random City] Guide or whatever? Where are those?
Campaign setting books are not part of the RPG line.

Yet they still contain feats, classes, archetypes, weapons, and other "bloat" items.

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I wonder if it will be a compilation of all the "___" of Golarion books. I'm curious if its even necesary. The current companions have done a pretty good job going over different races. Then there's the Inner Sea World Guide which covers even more.

I guess it might be useful for it all to be in one place.

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Dark_Mistress wrote:
Pual wrote:

What next: Ultimate Genders?

;-P

Well there's only one, the other one is men. :)

Well played DM,

(Hey, I'm a card carrying mutant)


Cartigan wrote:
Brian E. Harris wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
What about [Race]s of Golarion? Or [Book about Random City] Guide or whatever? Where are those?
Campaign setting books are not part of the RPG line.
Yet they still contain feats, classes, archetypes, weapons, and other "bloat" items.

Watcha talking about?

The literally have a class called the BLOAT mage in one.


No more bloat talk please.

Title only.

Git yet own thread.


Lathiira wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
"Von Ribbentrop's Guide to the Ubermensch"? ;-)
OK, I admit, I glanced at this and thought it said "Von Ribbontop's Guide to the Uberwench" :)

Your concept of the Überwench intrigues me.


Gorbacz wrote:

On a slightly more serious tangent:

I come from a country that got served by Nazis more than any of yours was (well unless there are any Russians around), I've lost several members of my family during the war (some in a rather unpleasant way), and I don't find this name offensive or reminiscent of Nazis.

I come from a family that had to endure repercussions because it was against the regime, and I don't think the name is offensive.

It is, however, dumb.


I would be pretty excited for any title, as long as it is in small letters on the binding, barely visible below the words "DON'T PANIC" :)


Guys its the name of the series just like the completes were for WOTC so get use to it


There are no "Tome of" books within the line yet. Tome of Races would be viable since I believe that the name has never been used elsewhere. If I am wrong let me know. The name would be in line with keeping past naming traditions going. It would even work for any future books released down the line if the need is there.


Joey Virtue wrote:
Guys its the name of the series just like the completes were for WOTC so get use to it

There was no Complete Human or anything like that. The classes series was Complete... The races had the Races of ... series instead.

It would not be that bad an idea to do a similar distinction. Ultimate is for class-based concepts, while the racial stuff gets its own name.


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WARNING: BEST BOOK NAME EVAR AHEAD:

X-Treme Ultimate Complete Tome of Advanced Races of Golarion.


thanks MDT for the information, I didn't know and tought it was a preemptive thread.

I like the book and that it doesn't (seem) to add new races, but gathering frequent player races and adding fun.

However, I too sign this kind of petition to change the name. It dosn't offend me, and it is in line with what was done so far, however it sounds bad. It just sounds off, and if that was the first book title I read about a game, I would probably not take a second look.

p.s.: Perhaps Paizo could move away from "races" altogether and have different species

Liberty's Edge

My only issue with the title "Ultimate Races" is the "Races" part, but that ship sailed back in the 70s, and its not coming into port. I don't have any issue with the "Ultimate" part - it connects the book to Ultimate Magic and Ultimate Combat, giving it clear product identity, and frankly everything everyone else has come up with in this thread sounds just as naff as "Ultimate Races."

I really don't care. I just want it to have a full treatment of Dhampir as a PC race, as the Dhampir are the first new PC race I've seen in a long time that didn't suck entirely (the last was the Illumarin from Races of Destiny, who sucked mechanically but were at least conceptual interesting). I can actually see Dhampir appealing to a lot of players, and I'd like them to have the full range of alternate racial abilities, customized Favored Classes bonuses, etc. that the core races have.

Also, someone should tell Erik that the elemental races were stupid when WOTC did them, and they're don't get less stupid when Paizo does them.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Well, Erik reads the message boards, so you pretty much did just tell him your take on the elemental races.

Erik doesn't agree, but whatever, you're entitled to your opinion. The game is big enough to have a little something for everyone, and the audience is big enough to ensure that there are going to be a few things in there that aren't aimed directly at your interests.

No big deal.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

ALSO, we're going to change the title of this book. Stay tuned for a formal announcement later this week. Perhaps quite soon indeed.


X-Treme Ultimate Complete Tome of Advanced Races of Golarion

Don't forget the exclamation points. It needs 3.


Erik Mona wrote:
ALSO, we're going to change the title of this book. Stay tuned for a formal announcement later this week. Perhaps quite soon indeed.

Thanks very much for listening, Erik. You guys are good at that.

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ULTIMATE RACES Table of Contents:

Chapter 1: Elven Alignment by Skin Color. Ten reasons all dark elves are universally evil.
Chapter 2: Races That Don't Qualify as Human. Because, let's face it, some just don't.
Chapter 3: Your Daughter's Dating a What? Half-orcs and other undesirables.
Chapter 4: Wights and Other Powerful Races. When some races are flat-out better than others.
Chapter 5: Cannibals: Default Stats for Tribesmen. Racial stereotypes revisited.

In other words, I'm glad that the title of this book will change to something other than Ultimate Races.

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Erik Mona wrote:

ALSO, we're going to change the title of this book. Stay tuned for a formal announcement later this week. Perhaps quite soon indeed.

"Pathfinder's guide to mutts, mongrels, and other breeds." :-)

Dark Archive

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Evil Lincoln wrote:

No more bloat talk please.

Title only.

Git yet own thread.

Yeah but the thread has become bloated with talk of bloat... so how could we not mention bloat? :)

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Erik Mona wrote:

ALSO, we're going to change the title of this book. Stay tuned for a formal announcement later this week. Perhaps quite soon indeed.

Yay!

In the time to go "OMG a zillion post thread" and grind through them, the thread became irrelevant.

And +1 to changing the title. I never liked Ultimate Magic or Ultimate Combat, and was sincerely hoping the whole Monster Truck Pathfinder Sunday One Day Only thing would go away.


I don't really get the idea that it was somehow racist, but the title did seem rather lacklustre so glad to hear it'll be changed. I'm not really sure why it seems worse to me as a title than Ultimate Combat or Ultimate Magic, but for some reason it does!

On the book itself the description posted earlier makes it sound really cool. I'm very much looking forward to seeing what it's like! The first chapter almost makes it sound like it'll be possible to play OD&D style elves and dwarves as classes. Which sounds pretty darn neat...


Good news from the Monator (ahem) that Paizo will be changing it...
James Jacobs already said that he´s sick of ´Ultimate´ names anyways (apart from this particular book), anyways.

I like the idea of ´Almanac of Antropomorphic Species´ or ´Anthropology´ or ´Demi-Humans´,
but they all feel too out of place in a Golarion setting, and the book isn´t even limited to Demi-Humans per se.
But I trust somebody at Paizo will be able to draw just the right title from the hidden recesses of their imagination.
That´s what English degrees are for, right?


Quandary wrote:

But I trust somebody at Paizo will be able to draw just the right title from the hidden recesses of their imagination.

That´s what English degrees are for, right?

I await the new title in good faith!

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