Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
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Kind of off topic Polish joke:
The solder thought for a moment and said, "The Germans, of course!"
The reporter asked why.
"Business always before pleasure."
Not sure how true it is (my family roots to Poland bugged out in the 1920's)
Jeremiziah |
After having bought the Inner Sea Guide (thinking it was a one stop shop) and the Inner Sea Primer (so I could get the traits I thought were in the ISG) I'm just gonna stop at that... its getting silly.
The APG was inspired! I think its a must have... Ultimate Magic, hmmmm - its ok. I'll buy UC just for completeness sake I suppose, but Ultimate Races? Sheesh. A lot of this is already covered in the Races of Golarian books and APG - enough already.
Let me out, its getting bloated in here.
You're getting confused between "Races that are in Golarion, Paizo's campaign setting" and "Races that Paizo wants the Pathfinder ruleset to support". If you want to play in Golarion, you've absolutely bought everything you need to. If you have a homebrew game where you want grippli to be playable, you might want this book.
Boxhead Contributor |
Personally, I'd lean towards the title Alternate Races, or even the Alternate Race Guide. Something that says to me "options" rather than "imoprovements". But that's my opinion.
That's my main beef with "Ultimate" in the title. It makes it sound like a more powerful book of options rather than a set of alternate ideas (which it should be, and is).
Brian E. Harris |
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Seriously, the "ZOMGZ IZ TEH BLOATZ!" whining is really getting old.
2009:
CRB
Bestiary
2010:
APG
GMG
2011:
Bestiary 2
UM
UC*
Bestiary 3*
2012:
UR**
Nine books. NINE. One of them (UR) isn't even officially a product, and two of them (UC and Bestiary 3) haven't been released.
Holy moly, that's a lot of bloat, yes sir! Shame on you, Paizo! You promised that you'd only ever release one single book ever, you horrible people!
And, oh my stars, I just noticed something! Paizo released 2 books in 2009, 2 in 2010 and they're set to release FOUR in 2011! That must mean they'll release EVEN MORE in 2012! By 2015, they'll be releasing a book a month! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
Evil Lincoln |
Seriously, the "ZOMGZ IZ TEH BLOATZ!" whining is really getting old.
So is the counter-whining, Brian. It has a way of seriously derailing threads.
THIS thread is NOT about rules bloat, or even the merits/drawbacks of a new race book. This thread is about the title, which I don't like, and I hope that they change.
It is quite likely that I will buy the book, irrespective of the title they choose. I post because I would like my future book to have a good title.
Cartigan |
Seriously, the "ZOMGZ IZ TEH BLOATZ!" whining is really getting old.
2009:
CRB
Bestiary2010:
APG
GMG2011:
Bestiary 2
UM
UC*
Bestiary 3*2012:
UR**
Nine books. NINE. One of them (UR) isn't even officially a product, and two of them (UC and Bestiary 3) haven't been released.
Holy moly, that's a lot of bloat, yes sir! Shame on you, Paizo! You promised that you'd only ever release one single book ever, you horrible people!
And, oh my stars, I just noticed something! Paizo released 2 books in 2009, 2 in 2010 and they're set to release FOUR in 2011! That must mean they'll release EVEN MORE in 2012! By 2015, they'll be releasing a book a month! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
What about [Race]s of Golarion? Or [Book about Random City] Guide or whatever? Where are those?
Arthun |
Taliesin Hoyle wrote:Godwin'd.I am a member of the ultimate race, and am looking forward to the day when the ....
That is why ultimate race is perhaps not the best choice of title.
Exactly that is why I want the book with that name.
Or maybe sth with Godwin in the title? The book formerly known as but renamed because of Godwin's Law? *hmm...
Diego Rossi |
I don't see a problem with making new player races, or better yet, better defining current races we have that are usable as player races but not really because there isn't really a "creature as PC race" system officially on the books.
Well, it is still a bit early for human genetic engineering ;)
A few more character races for now will suffice.
What next: Ultimate Genders?
;-P
After a blotched Knowledge roll in one of my old campaign it was established that the beholders have seven genders.
TheAntiElite |
Were I the one with the time machine, I'd have to agree with Evil Lincoln - Pathfinder Grimoire, Pathfinder Combat Compendium, Pathfinder Census...
Alternately, I liked the Advanced Races Guide, because it will make people go ARG.
I also am working on something that I might want to submit as a 3PP, though, so I should keep that name to myself...
Can I Call My Guy Drizzt? |
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I think a better name is Extreme Races, with cover art featuring an Aasimar on steroids, holding two oversized plasma cannons.
Drawn by Rob Liefeld, of course.
Of course, none of the races would be able to go anywhere... having horribly deformed feet, or else missing them entirely.
On the bright side, though, they would never lack for pouches to store things in!
One of the funniest websites I've ever seen: The 40 Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings (a bit of potentially NSFW language)
Scipion del Ferro RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4 |
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I wonder if it will be a compilation of all the "___" of Golarion books. I'm curious if its even necesary. The current companions have done a pretty good job going over different races. Then there's the Inner Sea World Guide which covers even more.
I guess it might be useful for it all to be in one place.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Ævux |
Brian E. Harris wrote:Yet they still contain feats, classes, archetypes, weapons, and other "bloat" items.Cartigan wrote:What about [Race]s of Golarion? Or [Book about Random City] Guide or whatever? Where are those?Campaign setting books are not part of the RPG line.
Watcha talking about?
The literally have a class called the BLOAT mage in one.
KaeYoss |
On a slightly more serious tangent:
I come from a country that got served by Nazis more than any of yours was (well unless there are any Russians around), I've lost several members of my family during the war (some in a rather unpleasant way), and I don't find this name offensive or reminiscent of Nazis.
I come from a family that had to endure repercussions because it was against the regime, and I don't think the name is offensive.
It is, however, dumb.
Nukruh |
There are no "Tome of" books within the line yet. Tome of Races would be viable since I believe that the name has never been used elsewhere. If I am wrong let me know. The name would be in line with keeping past naming traditions going. It would even work for any future books released down the line if the need is there.
KaeYoss |
Guys its the name of the series just like the completes were for WOTC so get use to it
There was no Complete Human or anything like that. The classes series was Complete... The races had the Races of ... series instead.
It would not be that bad an idea to do a similar distinction. Ultimate is for class-based concepts, while the racial stuff gets its own name.
Richard Leonhart |
thanks MDT for the information, I didn't know and tought it was a preemptive thread.
I like the book and that it doesn't (seem) to add new races, but gathering frequent player races and adding fun.
However, I too sign this kind of petition to change the name. It dosn't offend me, and it is in line with what was done so far, however it sounds bad. It just sounds off, and if that was the first book title I read about a game, I would probably not take a second look.
p.s.: Perhaps Paizo could move away from "races" altogether and have different species
Gailbraithe |
My only issue with the title "Ultimate Races" is the "Races" part, but that ship sailed back in the 70s, and its not coming into port. I don't have any issue with the "Ultimate" part - it connects the book to Ultimate Magic and Ultimate Combat, giving it clear product identity, and frankly everything everyone else has come up with in this thread sounds just as naff as "Ultimate Races."
I really don't care. I just want it to have a full treatment of Dhampir as a PC race, as the Dhampir are the first new PC race I've seen in a long time that didn't suck entirely (the last was the Illumarin from Races of Destiny, who sucked mechanically but were at least conceptual interesting). I can actually see Dhampir appealing to a lot of players, and I'd like them to have the full range of alternate racial abilities, customized Favored Classes bonuses, etc. that the core races have.
Also, someone should tell Erik that the elemental races were stupid when WOTC did them, and they're don't get less stupid when Paizo does them.
Erik Mona Chief Creative Officer, Publisher |
Well, Erik reads the message boards, so you pretty much did just tell him your take on the elemental races.
Erik doesn't agree, but whatever, you're entitled to your opinion. The game is big enough to have a little something for everyone, and the audience is big enough to ensure that there are going to be a few things in there that aren't aimed directly at your interests.
No big deal.
Erik Mona Chief Creative Officer, Publisher |
Epic Meepo RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16, 2012 Top 32 |
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Chapter 1: Elven Alignment by Skin Color. Ten reasons all dark elves are universally evil.
Chapter 2: Races That Don't Qualify as Human. Because, let's face it, some just don't.
Chapter 3: Your Daughter's Dating a What? Half-orcs and other undesirables.
Chapter 4: Wights and Other Powerful Races. When some races are flat-out better than others.
Chapter 5: Cannibals: Default Stats for Tribesmen. Racial stereotypes revisited.
In other words, I'm glad that the title of this book will change to something other than Ultimate Races.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
gbonehead Owner - House of Books and Games LLC |
ALSO, we're going to change the title of this book. Stay tuned for a formal announcement later this week. Perhaps quite soon indeed.
Yay!
In the time to go "OMG a zillion post thread" and grind through them, the thread became irrelevant.
And +1 to changing the title. I never liked Ultimate Magic or Ultimate Combat, and was sincerely hoping the whole Monster Truck Pathfinder Sunday One Day Only thing would go away.
Berik |
I don't really get the idea that it was somehow racist, but the title did seem rather lacklustre so glad to hear it'll be changed. I'm not really sure why it seems worse to me as a title than Ultimate Combat or Ultimate Magic, but for some reason it does!
On the book itself the description posted earlier makes it sound really cool. I'm very much looking forward to seeing what it's like! The first chapter almost makes it sound like it'll be possible to play OD&D style elves and dwarves as classes. Which sounds pretty darn neat...
Quandary |
Good news from the Monator (ahem) that Paizo will be changing it...
James Jacobs already said that he´s sick of ´Ultimate´ names anyways (apart from this particular book), anyways.
I like the idea of ´Almanac of Antropomorphic Species´ or ´Anthropology´ or ´Demi-Humans´,
but they all feel too out of place in a Golarion setting, and the book isn´t even limited to Demi-Humans per se.
But I trust somebody at Paizo will be able to draw just the right title from the hidden recesses of their imagination.
That´s what English degrees are for, right?