Druid Natural attacks

[Archeantus]

I know this has been asked a googillion times but I can't seem to find a post that answers this straight out. I have 2 questions actually.

1. If a druid is in wildshape form and has a BAB of +5 and he has the attacks bite/claw x2 and he is making a full round action is his attack then (ignoring ability mod for now) bite +5/claw +5/claw +5 or does he suffer the penalties for wielding multiple weapons?

2. Furthermore, the rules for natural attacks state that you don't get additional attacks for a high BAB but instead u get attacks rolls for multiple limbs capable of making the attack? I don't get the difference between an attack and an attack roll. Lets say the same druid above is performing the same full attack with a BAB of +6/+1. How does this rule affect him? The limbs capable of making this attack include a head and 2 paws. Does he get another single bite or claw at +1?

[Karel Gheysens]

Archeantus wrote:

1. If a druid is in wildshape form and has a BAB of +5 and he has the attacks bite/claw x2 and he is making a full round action is his attack then (ignoring ability mod for now) bite +5/claw +5/claw +5 or does he suffer the penalties for wielding multiple weapons?

There are no penalties for wielding multiple natural weapons.

However, one of the attacks (probably the claws) may be a secondary attack. Giving them a flat -5 penalty.

Though this depends on the animal you wildshape in and should be clear from the entry in the bestiary.

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2. Furthermore, the rules for natural attacks state that you don't get additional attacks for a high BAB but instead u get attacks rolls for multiple limbs capable of making the attack? I don't get the difference between an attack and an attack roll. Lets say the same druid above is performing the same full attack with a BAB of +6/+1. How does this rule affect him? The limbs capable of making this attack include a head and 2 paws. Does he get another single bite or claw at +1?

As far as I know, this does not change anything. You still just get the 3 attacks you did in the previous case at a higher bab.

[Poison]

1. Unless the given creature's natural weapons are naturally considered Secondary, you do not suffer the penalty for wielding multiple weapons. If they do however, you take the full -5 penalty regardless of whether the base creature has Multiattack feat (-2 penalty on secondary weapons) unless you have the feat also.

2. Say, a 6th-level Druid (BAB +4) transforms into a Dire Tiger with three attacks. Even though the druid do not gain any iterative attacks were he to attack normally with a weapon (unarmed or otherwise), he still attacks normally with the natural weapons (1 bite + 2 claws).

He does NOT however, gain more natural weapons with the same form even if his BAB reached +6 (still 1 bite + 2 claws).

An Attack refers to, well, the attack itself. So a swing of a sword is an attack, a claw-claw-bite routine is a series of attacks.

The to-hit bonus of these attacks are modified by what is called the Attack Rolls. This is the bonus on the individual attacks you gain from either wielding a weapon or possessing an entourage of natural weapons.

[Sloppycrane]

Poison wrote:

1. Unless the given creature's natural weapons are naturally considered Secondary, you do not suffer the penalty for wielding multiple weapons. If they do however, you take the full -5 penalty regardless of whether the base creature has Multiattack feat (-2 penalty on secondary weapons) unless you have the feat also.

2. Say, a 6th-level Druid (BAB +4) transforms into a Dire Tiger with three attacks. Even though the druid do not gain any iterative attacks were he to attack normally with a weapon (unarmed or otherwise), he still attacks normally with the natural weapons (1 bite + 2 claws).

He does NOT however, gain more natural weapons with the same form even if his BAB reached +6 (still 1 bite + 2 claws).

An Attack refers to, well, the attack itself. So a swing of a sword is an attack, a claw-claw-bite routine is a series of attacks.

The to-hit bonus of these attacks are modified by what is called the Attack Rolls. This is the bonus on the individual attacks you gain from either wielding a weapon or possessing an entourage of natural weapons.

There really needs to be a spell-less druid alternative. It would be awesome.

[Poison]

Absolutely. Give me a full-BAB Wildshaping class, spell or no spell, I would gladly take it. But I know some people do swear by a poor-BAB, better spellcasting druid to become available too.

[Archeantus]

OK. Lets see if I understand this. The "attack rolls for multiple limbs capable of making the attack" is referring to the multiple claws in bite/claw/claw.
I was interpreting these attack rolls as attacks in addition to the bite/claw/claw which is not the case. I think I get it now.

Thanks all.