Wow. All this.......knowledge, in one place.
Here, I've packaged it up in an anal suppository for you. Now you can keep it... forever.
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I care not which implement of death our glorious citizens wield..
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.....I care not which implement of death our glorious citizens wield..
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tl;dr: Mechanics trump Real Life Experience when talking about mechanics.
You mean it's a game? CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTIONS NOW!
Arabian and Indian swords need separate stats to help designate how superior they were over other weapons.
Discuss!
Arabian and Indian swords need separate stats to help designate how superior they were over other weapons.
Discuss!
<Pulls out a fork.>
Arabian and Indian swords need separate stats to help designate how superior they were over other weapons.
Discuss!
The funny thing is you're being sarcastic, even though you've quite possibly never made more sense in your life.
Arabian and Indian swords need separate stats to help designate how superior they were over other weapons.
Discuss!
The funny thing is you're being sarcastic, even though you've quite possibly never made more sense in your life.
<Attacking Spanky with masterwork leg of lamb.>
Nice rolls, chief.
I can tell from the +101 that you must have "smacked the rattan" a time or two......
Just since Luven Lightfinger's was mentioned, no, that book does not have samurai equipment. Paths of Power, which features our samurai class, DOES have a variety of samurai weapons and armor, from the yoroi toshi - armor piercing dagger - to the zanbato - horse-slaying greatsword.
Arabian and Indian swords need separate stats to help designate how superior they were over other weapons.
Discuss!
The funny thing is you're being sarcastic, even though you've quite possibly never made more sense in your life.
I'm only halfway being sarcastic!
I'm being absolutely serious when I say that I want to see distinctly fewer Orientalism fanboys and more fanboys for Arabia and India.
Pink SUV's are cool in Saudi Arabia right now. I'm serious.
I'm being absolutely serious when I say that I want to see distinctly fewer Orientalism fanboys and more fanboys for Arabia and India.
A heartfelt +1 from me on this one.
Pink SUV's are cool in Saudi Arabia right now. I'm serious.
I'm not talking modern day :p
The Caliphate of Arabia and the Islamic Golden Age is an incredibly, incredibly, incredibly interesting period of history that the west completely ignores much to our detriment. It's especially filled with stuff we could bring into tabletop games, but NO NO ALL YOUROPE ALL THE TIME.
I guess you need some place to put the pyramid dungeon.
On your way to the Japanologue countries.
To get swords of such excellence that they can be enchanted with +8 to hit and damage.
I'm being absolutely serious when I say that I want to see distinctly fewer Orientalism fanboys and more fanboys for Arabia and India.
Sorry, but India is part of the Orient. So India fanboys and Orientalism fanboys is the same thing...
I'm being absolutely serious when I say that I want to see distinctly fewer Orientalism fanboys and more fanboys for Arabia and India.Sorry, but India is part of the Orient. So India fanboys and Orientalism fanboys is the same thing...
Not to nerds, it's not! There's JAPAN, there's OTHER COUNTRIES I IGNORANTLY ASSUME ARE A LOT LIKE JAPAN, and that's about it. That's Nerd Asia.
Here's the thing.
Samurai didn't wield katanas.
Samurai were horseback archers first, spearmen second, and the katana was at best a side-arm to be used when you had no horse, bow, and your spear broke. It was your last resort weapon if you ever used it at all. Most of the time the "dreaded katana" was entirely ceremonial.
That's why it can't penetrate armor. It's not meant to. It's meant to a) look pretty and b) be good at killing lightly armored if armored at all rebelling peasantry.
Definitely.
You get no katana love from me. (I'm a Japanophile, but not a katanaphile.)
The first time swords ever got any real use was during the Mongol invasion, and only because heavy fighting occurred in the forests. So archers and naginata wielders were less effective, but only in the forests. Beyond that, most of a samurai's effectiveness was from the bow alone, pretty much.
@Kruelaid - I don't deny that the Japanese may have visited Korea/China before the 7th century, the Japanese had ships afterall, it's just that the katana very closely resembles Emishi barbarian swords and not Chinese swords. So while I agree the Japanese may have 'unofficially' visited other countries in ancient times, the katana is based on the Emishi sword (which is local), not anything from the continent.
Here's a link to a photo of an Ainu chieftan bearing an Emishi sword, although its in the sheath, so difficult to see all the similarities, it looks a heck of lot like a katana.
Arabian and Indian swords need separate stats to help designate how superior they were over other weapons.
Discuss!
You mean like the Khopesh and Kukri?
Not to nerds, it's not! There's JAPAN, there's OTHER COUNTRIES I IGNORANTLY ASSUME ARE A LOT LIKE JAPAN, and that's about it. That's Nerd Asia.I'm being absolutely serious when I say that I want to see distinctly fewer Orientalism fanboys and more fanboys for Arabia and India.Sorry, but India is part of the Orient. So India fanboys and Orientalism fanboys is the same thing...
Then call it Japan fanboys.
The Orient for me is Siberia, Mongolia, Nepal, China, India, SE Asia (too many to name), Korea and Japan. Heck I'd love to see an RPG setting based on Ankor Wat which is mostly Hindu and not Buddhist, except for a very short period in its overall history.
I'm Japanese and a nerd (and a history nut), but not an 'Orientalism nerd', at least by your definition.
Meh. The Orient is anything to the east of the Occident. Including the Middle East (which is why the man who wrote Orientalism was a Palestinian-American).
Meh. The Orient is anything to the east of the Occident. Including the Middle East (which is why the man who wrote Orientalism was a Palestinian-American).
Yeah, I guess I should have said the Far East rather than the orient. Because you're right, consider that the Middle East is called the Middle "East", instead of the middle. Also the Near East is not too far away.
Arabian and Indian swords need separate stats to help designate how superior they were over other weapons.
Discuss!
The funny thing is you're being sarcastic, even though you've quite possibly never made more sense in your life.
I'm only halfway being sarcastic!
I'm being absolutely serious when I say that I want to see distinctly fewer Orientalism fanboys and more fanboys for Arabia and India.
You may find it interesting that Orientalism denotes a superficial Arabic and Indian fanboism.
Here's a link to a photo of an Ainu chieftan bearing an Emishi sword, although its in the sheath, so difficult to see all the similarities, it looks a heck of lot like a katana.
And indeed it does. This is beyond my expertise, so I've learned something.
It certainly doesn't look like the common swords forged during the Han dynasty--which look more like european long swords.
Still, some of the Han sword makers produced excellent blades which have endured until today and high quality folded steel swords go back to the warring states period and possibly earlier. With Japan and China being so close I'd tend to assume that there were exchanges of technology going one way or another back at least that far.
Meh. The Orient is anything to the east of the Occident. Including the Middle East (which is why the man who wrote Orientalism was a Palestinian-American).
NINJA'D!!!!!!!!!
And cowboys! We need more firearms support!
I'm just dedicated to the truth.
It doesn't hurt my pride that Japanese people's ancestors figured out how to make way better swords than my ancestors, who also didn't come up with trigonometry. All they did was sack Lindisfarne, and that's plenty to be proud of there.
To be fair they really didn't -- we are not comparing the same sorts of swords here. To give a more accurate comparison there are several Spanish swords that should have been used instead of the sword used in the film. Perhaps a falcata would have been a more comparable sword.
Also there is a huge question of technique. After all if I swing a hammer one handed without thumb support and you swing the same hammer two handed and use a proper grip the results are going to be stunningly different. The same happens in that clip: The katana was swung with a different technique than the long sword was -- as such the comparison isn't scientifically worthwhile.
The Orient for me is Siberia, Mongolia, Nepal, China, India, SE Asia (too many to name), Korea and Japan. Heck I'd love to see an RPG setting based on Ankor Wat which is mostly Hindu and not Buddhist, except for a very short period in its overall history.
I'm Japanese and a nerd (and a history nut), but not an 'Orientalism nerd', at least by your definition.
Well ... when you're done with Kaidan ...
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I want more Bohemian Earspoon love...
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I have watched two seasons of Deadliest Warrior, and that qualifies me to comment on this issue. Your blackbelt/history degree/ancestry is irrelevant, because they lack the objectivity and accuracy of basic cable's powerful simulation algorithm. I have reached the following conclusion:
Cirno is right. The subcontinent is an untapped source of unimaginably cool weaponry.
I want a D&D game that runs more like "Tin Cup," in which Costner uses a freaking shovel to win a golf match against a dude with a bagful of +3 nine irons and one woods of mighty driving -- because he's just that good.
I want a D&D game that runs more like "Tin Cup," in which Costner uses a freaking shovel to win a golf match against a dude with a bagful of +3 nine irons and one woods of mighty driving -- because he's just that good.
That's a great idea -- personally some of your 'non-wealth bonuses' stuff helps with that just right... however personally I think it's too powerful in several ways.
I want a D&D game that runs more like "Tin Cup," in which Costner uses a freaking shovel to win a golf match against a dude with a bagful of +3 nine irons and one woods of mighty driving -- because he's just that good.
Then how about from the "Chronicles of Riddick" - killing with a soup cup.
GP
I want a D&D game that runs more like "Tin Cup," in which Costner uses a freaking shovel to win a golf match against a dude with a bagful of +3 nine irons and one woods of mighty driving -- because he's just that good.Then how about from the "Chronicles of Riddick" - killing with a soup cup.
GP
Or a key.
Also note that 'Oriental rugs' are historically made in Persia, i.e. Iraq.
And the other places too, of course.
There is a Maharatspa campaign world around from one of the 3E WoTC people. Wyatt, maybe? Based on India.
==Aelryinth
And cowboys! We need more firearms support!Gunslingers......
Not enough! I demand, at the very least, new classes for musketeers, gauchos, vaqueros, sharpshooters, and pistoleers.
I have watched two seasons of Deadliest Warrior, and that qualifies me to comment on this issue.Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?
Actually all you need is an IQ over 50.
" If anyone really wants a Katana I got Like crates of em out back...some of em do have holy avenger etched on em , some of em have Sue Ann etched on em and some of em have rather interesting etching of succubi in fun umm posies. But eh yours if ya want em"
I'm not talking about "museum replicas."
Real katanas, the kind that, according to "scholars," samurais apparently really thought were substandard weapons, even though they were considered to house their souls in them.
<Stabs Spanky with a baculum.>
It would be cool to make a magic weapon out of a red dragon baculum.
Man that's way cooler than a katana.
Give that raccoon back his baculum, b&&&#!
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Also note that 'Oriental rugs' are historically made in Persia, i.e. Iraq.
And the other places too, of course.
There is a Maharatspa campaign world around from one of the 3E WoTC people. Wyatt, maybe? Based on India.
==Aelryinth
Which was very cool and he used to have supplemental info on his website which he has since taken down. Mores the pity.