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deinol wrote:
Aazen wrote:
Hawk and Dove is going to loose out because of Rob Liefeld.

True, but what about all the other titles? Firestorm, Mister Terrific, Static Shock, Blackhawks, Blue Beetle, Grifter, OMAC, Demon Knights, I Vampire, Vodoo? I'm sure there will be a few that do surprisingly well. If they have good stories. But if every comic fan pics 10 titles to follow, there's going to be a significant number cancelled after 6 months.

I know I certainly can't afford to pick up $150 worth of comics every month. So unless an enormous amount of new readers show up in September, I expect most of these to look more like mini-series.

I've said this directly to the folks at DC, but it bears repeating here.

Trading out characters like Zatanna and Power Girl for Voodoo is like trading an Aston Martin for a Yugo. I just don't know why they'd ever bother. I mean, sure, the Yugo gets great gas mileage, but there are millions of them and they're all the same.

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I heard there's some sorta special where you can order all 52 issues for a (small) discount or something. Could some post the link? Thanks in advance!

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joela wrote:
I heard there's some sorta special where you can order all 52 issues for a (small) discount or something. Could some post the link? Thanks in advance!

I recall reading that they were planning to release 'the 52' in one huge trade book, no link though.


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joela wrote:
I heard there's some sorta special where you can order all 52 issues for a (small) discount or something. Could some post the link? Thanks in advance!

I know some specific comic stores were offering those sorts of deals. I wasn't interested so I didn't save the link though. There is a big hardcover that DC plans to release for $150.


Another confusing wrinkle (perhaps):

If the legal issues of the Superman rights are a big driver behind this reboot/not-a-reboot nonsense, how is it that a new Superman movie is in the works, apparently adhering to the "normal" concepts/continuity?

Or is this new Superman movie going to riff off the rebooted-idea?

If it's the former, seems like the Superman rights argument should be a non-issue.

If it's the latter, it's a big gamble. Given Nolan's treatment of Batman, if anyone could make it work, I'd bet on him -- but I think it would be a departure that a lot of people wouldn't understand. Variant/reinterpreted Supes worked on Smallville as a serial TV show. For a summer blockbuster, people are going to want to see, well, Superman. Not a guy in a T-shirt and work boots.


Cartigan wrote:
No one would go see a Nick Fury movie if it wasn't for Sam Jackson being Nick Fury, and they aren't making one anyway.

Lol Apparently you haven't been on IMDB lately...Rumored Movie stuff

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Aazen wrote:

Update on the Batgirl: The Killing Joke still happened and she was Oracle. Now she will go through physical rehabilitation and become a more seasoned and nuanced character because she had these incredible and diverse experiences.

So it happened. And though I do recognize her as a symbol for the disabled, it doesnt really wash in a world of super science. Bats himself got his back broke and got rehab and is up and walking. No reason in universe why Barb wouldnt want to get better and be the best she can. So should the same be for Prof X. Who's in and out of the chair as much as Iron Man has been on and off the wagon.

I say give it 6 issues, you dont like it, dump it. I gave Brand New Day a whole year before my intelligence was throughly insulted and violated past the point of no return. And after Fear Itself? Marvel is dead to me.

Its gotten to the point where like althelete's; I just follow the writers now. Dan Abnett on Resurrection Man? Yes Please!

Batman's back was not broken. It was revealed that Batman twisted at the last second and only bruised his spine. As for Batgirl, how do you recover from a severed spinal cord? Although if you look at the picture where Joker shoots her, the bullet went in and exited to the side. She may have lost a kidney, but it did not look like it was in a position to sever her spine.

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Charles Scholz wrote:
Aazen wrote:

Update on the Batgirl: The Killing Joke still happened and she was Oracle. Now she will go through physical rehabilitation and become a more seasoned and nuanced character because she had these incredible and diverse experiences.

So it happened. And though I do recognize her as a symbol for the disabled, it doesnt really wash in a world of super science. Bats himself got his back broke and got rehab and is up and walking. No reason in universe why Barb wouldnt want to get better and be the best she can. So should the same be for Prof X. Who's in and out of the chair as much as Iron Man has been on and off the wagon.

I say give it 6 issues, you dont like it, dump it. I gave Brand New Day a whole year before my intelligence was throughly insulted and violated past the point of no return. And after Fear Itself? Marvel is dead to me.

Its gotten to the point where like althelete's; I just follow the writers now. Dan Abnett on Resurrection Man? Yes Please!

Batman's back was not broken. It was revealed that Batman twisted at the last second and only bruised his spine. As for Batgirl, how do you recover from a severed spinal cord? Although if you look at the picture where Joker shoots her, the bullet went in and exited to the side. She may have lost a kidney, but it did not look like it was in a position to sever her spine.

There was also the word 'Krakt' as Bane broke the Bat. Doesnt sound like a brusing to me. I'm glad I missed that explanation of just brusing as its insulting and lame. *pun not intended*


Aazen wrote:
Charles Scholz wrote:
Aazen wrote:

Update on the Batgirl: The Killing Joke still happened and she was Oracle. Now she will go through physical rehabilitation and become a more seasoned and nuanced character because she had these incredible and diverse experiences.

So it happened. And though I do recognize her as a symbol for the disabled, it doesnt really wash in a world of super science. Bats himself got his back broke and got rehab and is up and walking. No reason in universe why Barb wouldnt want to get better and be the best she can. So should the same be for Prof X. Who's in and out of the chair as much as Iron Man has been on and off the wagon.

I say give it 6 issues, you dont like it, dump it. I gave Brand New Day a whole year before my intelligence was throughly insulted and violated past the point of no return. And after Fear Itself? Marvel is dead to me.

Its gotten to the point where like althelete's; I just follow the writers now. Dan Abnett on Resurrection Man? Yes Please!

Batman's back was not broken. It was revealed that Batman twisted at the last second and only bruised his spine. As for Batgirl, how do you recover from a severed spinal cord? Although if you look at the picture where Joker shoots her, the bullet went in and exited to the side. She may have lost a kidney, but it did not look like it was in a position to sever her spine.
There was also the word 'Krakt' as Bane broke the Bat. Doesnt sound like a brusing to me. I'm glad I missed that explanation of just brusing as its insulting and lame. *pun not intended*

"Krakt" is the new "oof"


No one saw the panel where Batman thanked Bane for cracking his back for him :)


Lathiira wrote:
No one saw the panel where Batman thanked Bane for cracking his back for him :)

His back was getting pretty stiff with all the stress, so he got Bane to stretch his back, then suckered some loser to play Batman so he could go on vacation. He didn't make Dick the new Bat at the time because he knew he would come back in couple of months. It went ALL according to his plan. That is why they call it a Batman Gambit. True genius. That's why Supes can never win against him.

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joela wrote:
Here's another listing of the 52 titles. Hmmm. What I'll probably do is purchase all the titles through their first story arcs (4-6 issues), then make my final selection which titles to follow (if any).

Notified local comic book store. Thank the gawds it's throughout the month instead of all at once!


Ok bit the bullet and went back to an old comic store in Brooklyn that I havent been to in like 15 years (stopped collecting many years ago and I was amazed they were still in business).

I ordered all the Batbooks (except Batwing), Action, Superman, JLA, and Teen Titans. I can deal with 14 titles a month.

Owner isnt exactly happy with DC doing the Digital copies too, but she will order all 52 first issues until she gets a better idea of what will sell for her.

While I do prefer print, I WOULD also buy digital if I could download them as a PDF for a backup and the convenience of putting them on whatever device whenever I choose (iPhone, etc).
I'm not cool with the idea of buying digital and not getting anything for it (like a pdf) as well as being forced to have an internet connection to go to DC's website anytime I want to read/reread anything.

Meh.


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Ok bit the bullet and went back to an old comic store in Brooklyn that I havent been to in like 15 years (stopped collecting many years ago and I was amazed they were still in business).

I ordered all the Batbooks (except Batwing), Action, Superman, JLA, and Teen Titans. I can deal with 14 titles a month.

Owner isnt exactly happy with DC doing the Digital copies too, but she will order all 52 first issues until she gets a better idea of what will sell for her.

While I do prefer print, I WOULD also buy digital if I could download them as a PDF for a backup and the convenience of putting them on whatever device whenever I choose (iPhone, etc).
I'm not cool with the idea of buying digital and not getting anything for it (like a pdf) as well as being forced to have an internet connection to go to DC's website anytime I want to read/reread anything.

Meh.

dude, you're from Brooklyn! So am I! Which comic book store did you go to?


Pinocchio on McDonald avenue. Closest surviving comic shop to Sheepshead :).

Bulletproof on Nostrand is kind of closer but I'm not crazy about it or the parking situation around there.

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Why the Batwing snub? That might be the most provocative book they have. Considering its a new character they can do whatever they want with it and not have the hordes screaming at the gate because of it. It looks like a modern day Batman Beyond.


It's not a snub. I love the personalities of Gotham. I really don't consider Batwing to be part of the whole Batman mythos, the same way that I don't really consider the new JLI lineup to be worthy of the name Justice League.

I do recognize that Batwing has the opportunity to be original and establish a whole new canon. That's great and I'm sure the troubled African backdrop will make a great gritty setting, it's just not my thing. If this was a vertigo style book and a tad more supernatural, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Even that good, I still wouldn't call it a Batbook.


The views and opinions expressed herein are views and opinions and will not necessarily be the same as yours.

Essentially, I don't know. Time will tell.

These past few years have done a number on my enjoyment of comics. All the crossovers, Cassandra Cain getting cancelled and snubbed and replaced, the blatant whitewashing, Bruce being replaced by Dick, the awful handling of certain big name comics (teen titans and JLA have been atrocious). Riddler is out there gunning people down for no reason, Dini's gone, Dixon's gone, Didio's actually writing and giving us 'gems' like Freight Train, the entire Wildstorm universe, kaput (yeah a lot of people think of things like WildCATS and jump to the assumption of 90s extreme comics, but WildCATS was spectacular at times, and version 3.0 was just magnificent, that's not even counting books like the Intimates or DV8).

I'll check them out. I don't expect Wonder Woman to be any good, because no one ever wants to make her relevant, though Azzarello is a good writer, on the cover of JLA she looks like a teenager. Morrison's still with DC so that's cool. Some of the more outre comics do look appealing, Justice League Dark and Demon Knights. Batwing looks interesting, as does Animal Man and, surprisingly, Blackhawks. I'll definitely check the Wildstorm refugees Voodoo and Grifter, and it will be nice to see Bruce and Damian together, but Gotham has been boring without Dini spicing it up and I don't like Daniels.

I guess time will tell.

Frankly I always thought it was just so they could get out some more media (and comic-book newbie)-friendly versions of the characters so they could start pimping them out to Hollywood the way Marvel's been doing (and doing well). But for years I've imagined there's some fans out there who have been buying things like Action or Detective Comics for decades and decades and having them reboot these iconic series' seems off-putting.

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The last issue of JLA is a retrospective, and Robinson actually references a problem some others have addressd with Batwing.

There are already African heroes in the DCU, why do we need a Batman clone? One of the things Robinson wanted to do was Justice League Africa.

(Secondary rant I've read. Why do we have Batman of Africa, and not a Batman of Europe?)


Matthew Morris wrote:
(Secondary rant I've read. Why do we have Batman of Africa, and not a Batman of Europe?)

Well there is a Batman of France, the runner, and another of England, who actually did just have a comic (knight and squire). But who knows if they'll pop up after the reboot.


I'm a bit disappointed. There were some really good storylines going on in the DC universe. The Detective Comics storyline with Jim Gordon's son was excellent, and Legion of Superheroes had to cut short a good story involving the Legion of Supervillains.

I can understand that a reboot can simplify things for them, but most of the story canon problems they were suffering were self-inflicted by writers that wanted to bring back pre-crisis characters and stories. Justice Society was great for referencing old stories without complicating their other titles too much, and I don't know if they can do that in the new lineup. We'll see.

As far as the bat-books go, why did they keep Damien? I hated his character from the very beginning until now, and I can't see why they would keep him as Robin if they are rebooting the title. I hope Stephanie stays around as Spoiler since she's one of my favorite supporting characters in the bat-universe. I like her as Bat-girl, but she was around in Robin for a long time before that.


Meh, send Azbats to Europe and give him back his book. Ill save money by not collecting it though. Never liked Azrael to begin with.


GAAAHHHH wrote:


I hope Stephanie stays around as Spoiler since she's one of my favorite supporting characters in the bat-universe. I like her as Bat-girl, but she was around in Robin for a long time before that.

I like her as Batgirl. She's put her time in as a trainee of sorts during the Spoiler days, with Robin constantly coming to her rescue. Its only natural for here to evolve into something better. :)

Also the Spoiler costume was horrible on the eyes. ;)

Barbara should stay as Oracle.


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I can understand that a reboot can simplify things for them, but most of the story canon problems they were suffering were self-inflicted by writers that wanted to bring back pre-crisis characters and stories.

This. Thosand times this. Frak Morrison and his desperate tries to cram every single silver age thing that doesn't make sense anymore back into Batman. Nobody really remembers nor cares about Kathy Kane, and bringing her as a Mary Sue Superspy that was the only womam to make Batman actually happy doesn't make her interesting. Batman Inc was such an interesting concept...


Green Lantern, The Red Lanterns, The New Guardians, all-the-frickin'-way.

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Atavist wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
(Secondary rant I've read. Why do we have Batman of Africa, and not a Batman of Europe?)
Well there is a Batman of France, the runner, and another of England, who actually did just have a comic (knight and squire). But who knows if they'll pop up after the reboot.

That was the author's complaint. Btwing is the Batman of Africa Not the Republic of Congo, not Chad Batman. The entire continent gets one Batman, but Africa isn't one nation. That's also what Robinson seemed to be complaining about in the last issue of JLA, you have a number of African heroes already in existance but we get "Africa Batman."


BluePigeon wrote:
Green Lantern, The Red Lanterns, The New Guardians, all-the-frickin'-way.

I'll have to check this out at the very least.


Matthew Morris wrote:
Atavist wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
(Secondary rant I've read. Why do we have Batman of Africa, and not a Batman of Europe?)
Well there is a Batman of France, the runner, and another of England, who actually did just have a comic (knight and squire). But who knows if they'll pop up after the reboot.
That was the author's complaint. Btwing is the Batman of Africa Not the Republic of Congo, not Chad Batman. The entire continent gets one Batman, but Africa isn't one nation. That's also what Robinson seemed to be complaining about in the last issue of JLA, you have a number of African heroes already in existance but we get "Africa Batman."

Hm.

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BluePigeon wrote:
Green Lantern, The Red Lanterns, The New Guardians, all-the-frickin'-way.

I'll be collecting that, Swamp Thing, Firestorm, and Demon Knights. No more JLA or Flash (both of which I've been collecting since the early 80s), and I stopped all the Batman stuff a while back. If they had killed off that little f+*!tard damien wayne, I'd have considered it. But then they went and started Detective and Batman over again at #1. No thanks.

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Damien Wayne is the new Jason Todd. Wait for it, they will have 800 numbers to call to see whether he lives or dies. I dont see what the deal is, he has Bats personality (Not Bruce Wayne, but Bats) only he's a kid.

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Damien Wayne makes sense as a sort of "anti-Robin". To play up Dick Grayson being a different kind of Batman, the idea of an arrogant little Robin makes sense.

But what's the purpose for the comic having a Robin in the first place? It's to lighten the mood, to be colorful, to give Batman someone to save here and again. In character, Batman takes Robin because he's a terrifying figure, and it's helpful at times to have a partner who doesn't scare the hostage children.

Damien scares the hostage children. And he couldn't give a rat's patooie about them, either.

Damien as a character works with Dick as Batman. He doesn't work with Bruce as Batman. What? They'll brood together? Whenever Alfred gives Bruce a stern warning, Damien will clock him for his insolence.


The temporal anomaly surrounding Damien doesn't help either.

He's still what 13-14? and Bats' didnt meet his mom till after he started being Bats which is supposedly only 5 years ago.

So unless Dmaien id=s a force grown clone he can't exist and the whole new universe disappears into a vortex of timey wimey stuff

Me I'm getting the number 1's for JLI, the two Legion Comics and Catwoman..whether I get the number 2 issues is still up in the air.

I also noted the nasty dig at the fans in the final edition of 'Zatanna'

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DM Wellard wrote:

The temporal anomaly surrounding Damien doesn't help either.

He's still what 13-14? and Bats' didnt meet his mom till after he started being Bats which is supposedly only 5 years ago.

So unless Dmaien id=s a force grown clone he can't exist and the whole new universe disappears into a vortex of timey wimey stuff

Me I'm getting the number 1's for JLI, the two Legion Comics and Catwoman..whether I get the number 2 issues is still up in the air.

I also noted the nasty dig at the fans in the final edition of 'Zatanna'

Given that I enjoyed the last issues of Batgirl and JLA, (and their digs at DC) I want to know what happpened in Zatanna.

As to TimeyWimey stuff, apparently Bruce has been Batman longer than the timeline goes back since (allegedly) we don't lose any Batman continuity, while we do lose everything else. He was just more the urban legend type (Yeah, I know it doesn't make sense) He's been an urban legend so long that he trained Dick, Jason and Tim, and now has Damien.

Remember DC's official line is 'everything has happened, just differently than we printed it.' Reality OTOH... it's a time-wimey mess that even the Doctor couldn't untangle.


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Damn Time-Traveling Batman (TM)


The more info we get about this reboot-that's-not-a-reboot the more it sounds like it's gonna be one helluva train-wreck.

Which is too bad, b/c if they just had the balls to do a hard reboot and be done with it, it might've been really cool.


Aberzombie wrote:
BluePigeon wrote:
Green Lantern, The Red Lanterns, The New Guardians, all-the-frickin'-way.
I'll be collecting that, Swamp Thing, Firestorm, and Demon Knights. No more JLA or Flash (both of which I've been collecting since the early 80s), and I stopped all the Batman stuff a while back. If they had killed off that little f$$&tard damien wayne, I'd have considered it. But then they went and started Detective and Batman over again at #1. No thanks.

I've been hooked on Geoff Johns since he took up the writing chores on Justice Society of America. Tony Benard comes a close second with his work on the Exiles and the Incredible Hulk(?). I'm glad DC is giving him a shot in the Green Lantern miniverse.

I will say Firestorm and Demon Knights look impressively interesting. Firestorm and Firestorms have never looked better I can't wait to see what Simone and Van Sciver have for us.


The last issue of Zatanna concerned our favourite Sorceress trying to get some sleep before a show in DC..numerous things occur to interrupt tghis.

In the end she decides her dream is more important that the show..the last line reads

"The DC ticket holders would just have to live with it"

I take that to be a definite dig at those off us who are unhappy with the reboot reimagining whatever you wantto call it.


DM Wellard wrote:

The last issue of Zatanna concerned our favourite Sorceress trying to get some sleep before a show in DC..numerous things occur to interrupt tghis.

In the end she decides her dream is more important that the show..the last line reads

"The DC ticket holders would just have to live with it"

I take that to be a definite dig at those off us who are unhappy with the reboot reimagining whatever you wantto call it.

What a slap across the face.


Freehold DM wrote:
DM Wellard wrote:

The last issue of Zatanna concerned our favourite Sorceress trying to get some sleep before a show in DC..numerous things occur to interrupt tghis.

In the end she decides her dream is more important that the show..the last line reads

"The DC ticket holders would just have to live with it"

I take that to be a definite dig at those off us who are unhappy with the reboot reimagining whatever you wantto call it.

What a slap across the face.

What, DC's current team went to the same "Marketing Big Product Changes" seminar as the WotC crew?

And, just as with WotC, the fans DON'T have to live with it.

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Why does there have to be a Batman of every nation?

Why does there have to be a Lantern of every color?

Why does the JLA have to be international?

Should we bring back the ZOO crew?

Why has it taken so long for Wonder Woman to put some pants on?

These and other assorted questions possibly befuddled in the new issues of 52!

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Crimson Jester wrote:

Why does there have to be a Batman of every nation?

There actually is supposed to be a reason for this.

Spoiler:
Apparently while Bruce was bouncing across time, he saw something and the Batman Inc is a huge plan to thwart it. I get the impression Batman Inc wouldn't be permanent. (And in the real world it would be a lawsuit waiting to happen)

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Personally it's going to save me some money every month. I was thinking of dropping DC anyways (dropped Marvel years ago), so this gives me the final push. Won't have much left on my pull list anymore, Knights of the Dinner Table, Usagi Yojimbo and Mouse Guard.

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:

Why does there have to be a Batman of every nation?

There actually is supposed to be a reason for this.

** spoiler omitted **

While Batman Inc. is new version, the Batman from every nation is a theme from the 1970's that was incorporated into this story.

One of those old ideas, that should have been left on the cutting room floor.

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Crimson Jester wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:

Why does there have to be a Batman of every nation?

There actually is supposed to be a reason for this.

** spoiler omitted **

While Batman Inc. is new version, the Batman from every nation is a theme from the 1970's that was incorporated into this story.

One of those old ideas, that should have been left on the cutting room floor.

Ah I thought you meant the modern one only.

In a 'real world' sense, I could see others running with the 'Batman/defender of the city' motif if Batman is known as a real being. Of course it would mostly be like the 'batman brigade' in The Dark Knight in results. There was also a Legends of the Dark Knight story about Batman inspiring people IIRC. It didnt' end well/

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:

Why does there have to be a Batman of every nation?

There actually is supposed to be a reason for this.

** spoiler omitted **

While Batman Inc. is new version, the Batman from every nation is a theme from the 1970's that was incorporated into this story.

One of those old ideas, that should have been left on the cutting room floor.

Ah I thought you meant the modern one only.

In a 'real world' sense, I could see others running with the 'Batman/defender of the city' motif if Batman is known as a real being. Of course it would mostly be like the 'batman brigade' in The Dark Knight in results. There was also a Legends of the Dark Knight story about Batman inspiring people IIRC. It didn't' end well/

Yes I remember those. :)

It just seems like at times, DC more than any other company, keeps trying to recycle old, typically poor ideas, into something cool or new. This makes some things better, but others it is seems to me it tends to almost parody. Batman comes to mind.


Considering that DC already has a story of non powered heroes (the bat family, Blue Beetle, Green Arrow and his family, Question, Huntress, not counting the ones that have 'super equipment' as a superpower) I don't think it is a stretch to think that it would happen in other countries. What, only americans can be badasses? Even uniting them in a loose contact/support group sounds like a good idea, make them follow some ground rules, spread the wealth so those that aren't multibilionaries can still be well equiped... Okay, maybe making them all be 'Batman' is stupid, but the idea is still sound.

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Crimson Jester wrote:


It just seems like at times, DC more than any other company, keeps trying to recycle old, typically poor ideas, into something cool or new. This makes some things better, but others it is seems to me it tends to almost parody. Batman comes to mind.

Both Marvel and DC have a tendency to do this. The industry as it stands makes it very difficult for new characters to gain traction and support their own books. By comparison, going back to the Silver/Bronze Age well provides better returns. And if you've got to go with a derivative character, cashing in on one of the big names is the way to go. Batman, Wolverine, and the Hulk are all iconic and solid sellers, so we get Batman, Inc., Dark Wolverine, and Red Hulk as an attempt to cash in on those icons. Standing on their own, none of those characters would draw enough sales to justify a series...or so the big two seem to think.

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Charlie Brooks wrote:
Both Marvel and DC have a tendency to do this. The industry as it stands makes it very difficult for new characters to gain traction and support their own books. By comparison, going back to the Silver/Bronze Age well provides better returns. And if you've got to go with a derivative character, cashing in on one of the big names is the way to go. Batman, Wolverine, and the Hulk are all iconic and solid sellers, so we get Batman, Inc., Dark Wolverine, and Red Hulk as an attempt to cash in on those icons. Standing on their own, none of those characters would draw enough sales to justify a series...or so the big two seem to think.

Actually this is why I'm giving the Ultimates a second look. While the names are familiar (Spiderman, Firestar, Hawkeye) the characters are different. Miles and Liz are different characters, Clint has different powers, etc.

I can still read about Peter (if I cared about mr. sold his marriage to satan) Angelica and Clint in the 616 verse, but 1616 is now its own, not just a edgier copy.

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VM mercenario wrote:
Considering that DC already has a story of non powered heroes (the bat family, Blue Beetle, Green Arrow and his family, Question, Huntress, not counting the ones that have 'super equipment' as a superpower) I don't think it is a stretch to think that it would happen in other countries. What, only americans can be badasses? Even uniting them in a loose contact/support group sounds like a good idea, make them follow some ground rules, spread the wealth so those that aren't multibilionaries can still be well equiped... Okay, maybe making them all be 'Batman' is stupid, but the idea is still sound.

See the Blackhawk title. They've always been more DC's SHIELD more than say, Checkmate.

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Charlie Brooks wrote:
Both Marvel and DC have a tendency to do this. The industry as it stands makes it very difficult for new characters to gain traction and support their own books. By comparison, going back to the Silver/Bronze Age well provides better returns. And if you've got to go with a derivative character, cashing in on one of the big names is the way to go. Batman, Wolverine, and the Hulk are all iconic and solid sellers, so we get Batman, Inc., Dark Wolverine, and Red Hulk as an attempt to cash in on those icons. Standing on their own, none of those characters would draw enough sales to justify a series...or so the big two seem to think.

Actually this is why I'm giving the Ultimates a second look. While the names are familiar (Spiderman, Firestar, Hawkeye) the characters are different. Miles and Liz are different characters, Clint has different powers, etc.

I can still read about Peter (if I cared about mr. sold his marriage to satan) Angelica and Clint in the 616 verse, but 1616 is now its own, not just a edgier copy.

I hate the Ultimate line. All that creative energy could have been poured into the regular universe. And then theres the fact that just about everyone's flaws in there are heightened to the N'th degree. Wasp- codependant, Antman -regularly abusive, Cap -emotionally repressed, Thor - crazy (maybe), Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver... ew. Thats not how I want me heroes. You can be realistic without being unhinged. If thats not true, then I'm not trusting anyone in the police or the Fire Dept. Or any of us who are in the military. The Ultimate line is THE derivative. If it didnt have the 616 to take from, it would be Rob Liefeld's Image.

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