Pass for Human


Rules Questions

Shadow Lodge

I was just looking this feat over again. You get a +10 bonus for impersonating a human.

Really? Anyone? So I could disguise myself as the human king and get a +10 bonus to disguise? If I pretend I'm a half-elf merchant, no bonus, but a human merchant... +10?


It's an update of the old Veiled Vileness feat. The relevant text is in the description: "You're easily mistaken for a human rather than a member of your own race." It lets you look like a human vs. a half-orc or whatever, not impersonate a specific individual.

It's not clear, though, on a second read-through, whether you make 2 separate Disguise checks, one to look human and one to look like, say, the mayor, and if you do, whether the +10 applies to both checks. I'd be inclined to rule it applies only to looking human, and to look like the mayor you only don't have to take the -2 penalty for disguising yourself as someone of a different race. But that's just me.

The Exchange

While the intent is pretty clearly to use this Feat just to look like yourself... but human... with no penalties, a hefty +10, and the ability to take 10, so that you can handwave even having to roll 99% of the time... it's a little tricky because you generally, from the Disguise rules in the core book, only make one Disguise check, with cumulative modifiers, for your overall disguise. Which would imply that, by RAW, you're much better at disguising yourself as the human king than you are as a half-elf merchant...


Isn't there a penalty to disguise for looking like a different race? This would overcome that.


heh maybe a better version of this feat would have been

"you can always take 20 for you disguise roll when trying to appear human"


tumbler wrote:

Isn't there a penalty to disguise for looking like a different race? This would overcome that.

Yes, the -2, but as written, it seems to give you a +10 to look like a specific human over and above an actual human disguising himself as that individual.

The Exchange

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Isn't there a penalty to disguise for looking like a different race? This would overcome that.

Yes - this Feat eliminates that, and gives you a +10 bonus, and lets you take 10.

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heh maybe a better version of this feat would have been

"you can always take 20 for you disguise roll when trying to appear human"

I'd have stuck with 'You can automatically pass for human without the need for a Disguise check' to keep things simple...


ProfPotts wrote:
I'd have stuck with 'You can automatically pass for human without the need for a Disguise check' to keep things simple...

Which is what Veiled Vileness did, albeit only for half-orcs. I assume they put a quantity on it because people with good Perceptions wanted to be able to see through their disguise, but it just made it muddier.


Joana wrote:
It's an update of the old Veiled Vileness feat.

I've got a player with the V.V. feat. It's a lot of fun for us. I hope they put it back sometime.

It harks back to the old "10% of these half-orc mongrels can pass for human" AD&D vibe. The party knows he has darkvision, but there could be a number of reasons for that.

Shadow Lodge

ProfPotts wrote:
I'd have stuck with 'You can automatically pass for human without the need for a Disguise check' to keep things simple...

Agreed. Why bother rolling for this particular skill in this case? You look human. You can be called "human" if you like. Humans will come up to you and tell you orc jokes.

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