paizo.com Recent Posts in pdf securitypaizo.com Recent Posts in pdf security2011-05-18T14:44:18Z2011-05-18T14:44:18ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityGary Teter (Senior Software Developer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#452011-06-30T18:43:17Z2011-06-30T18:43:17Z<p>Since the question has been asked and answered, I think we're done here. (Customer service needs the customer service forum to be about customer service rather than general discussion.)</p>Since the question has been asked and answered, I think we're done here. (Customer service needs the customer service forum to be about customer service rather than general discussion.)Gary Teter (Senior Software Developer)2011-06-30T18:43:17ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securitybugleymanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#442011-06-30T18:00:49Z2011-06-30T18:00:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Brian E. Harris wrote:</div><blockquote> The whole piracy issue has been done before, so I'm steering clear of that. </blockquote><p>Yup...best to just toss that one in the "agree to disagree" file.Brian E. Harris wrote:The whole piracy issue has been done before, so I'm steering clear of that.
Yup...best to just toss that one in the "agree to disagree" file.bugleyman2011-06-30T18:00:49ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securitybugleymanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#432011-06-30T17:57:15Z2011-06-30T17:57:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tamago wrote:</div><blockquote> I'd just like to chime in and say that I think Paizo's PDF strategy is actually pretty good. Their security model discourages "casual" piracy, while still not imposing onerous restrictions on the end user. I can still read, print, search, and extract images from Paizo PDFs, which covers basically everything I would want to do. And the ability to re-download anything I've purchased through Paizo is a •huge• plus, and means it's the first place I go to buy PDF gaming products. </blockquote><p>Seconded. It's the best compromise available in an imperfect world imho. At least there are no special applications or "activation" schemes involved.
<p>I do wish the PDF prices were a bit lower, because for me the PDF is a supplement to print. However, I admit that (1)I may not represent the norm, and (2)tablets are coming ever closer to changing my usage model.</p>Tamago wrote:I'd just like to chime in and say that I think Paizo's PDF strategy is actually pretty good. Their security model discourages "casual" piracy, while still not imposing onerous restrictions on the end user. I can still read, print, search, and extract images from Paizo PDFs, which covers basically everything I would want to do. And the ability to re-download anything I've purchased through Paizo is a *huge* plus, and means it's the first place I go to buy PDF gaming products.
...bugleyman2011-06-30T17:57:15ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityBrian E. Harrishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#422011-06-30T17:20:27Z2011-06-30T17:20:27Z<p>I'd agree with your assessment of the PDF security.</p>
<p>I'd definitely prefer it not to be there, to enable me to reflow documents (extractions and compilations), but it's not hugely detrimental to my overall usage.</p>
<p>The whole piracy issue has been done before, so I'm steering clear of that.</p>I'd agree with your assessment of the PDF security.
I'd definitely prefer it not to be there, to enable me to reflow documents (extractions and compilations), but it's not hugely detrimental to my overall usage.
The whole piracy issue has been done before, so I'm steering clear of that.Brian E. Harris2011-06-30T17:20:27ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityTamago (RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#412011-06-30T16:35:25Z2011-06-30T16:35:25Z<p>I'd just like to chime in and say that I think Paizo's PDF strategy is actually pretty good. Their security model discourages "casual" piracy, while still not imposing onerous restrictions on the end user. I can still read, print, search, and extract images from Paizo PDFs, which covers basically everything I would want to do. And the ability to re-download anything I've purchased through Paizo is a •huge• plus, and means it's the first place I go to buy PDF gaming products.</p>
<p>I will admit that the files are sometimes larger and slower to navigate than many other PDFs, but I attribute that both to the page count of the materials presented (for a 600-page, full color book, the 78MB Core Rulebook file doesn't do that badly) and the quality of the art inside. </p>
<p>This thread (and others like it) have had a fair bit of vitriol, and I just wanted to chime in and say, "good job, people!" You have a lot of fans, and many of us appreciate the work you are doing, on PDFs and everything else.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>I'd just like to chime in and say that I think Paizo's PDF strategy is actually pretty good. Their security model discourages "casual" piracy, while still not imposing onerous restrictions on the end user. I can still read, print, search, and extract images from Paizo PDFs, which covers basically everything I would want to do. And the ability to re-download anything I've purchased through Paizo is a *huge* plus, and means it's the first place I go to buy PDF gaming products.
I will admit...Tamago (RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16)2011-06-30T16:35:25ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityBrian E. Harrishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#402011-06-30T14:30:17Z2011-06-30T14:30:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Modron Lawyer wrote:</div><blockquote>If you live outside the US, it's most likely legal to just run a DRM removal tool on the PDF you bought. Many countries have consumer rights that prevent the kind of <b>misguided</b> restrictions that <b>companies</b> try to enforce on digital goods you paid for.</blockquote><p>Wrong.
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO_Copyright_Treaty" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty</a></p>
<p>The DMCA is the US implementation of the WCT, for reference.</p>
<p>Sure, there's countries that aren't signatories of the WCT or that haven't enacted it, but it's nowhere near as cut and dry as "outside the US".</p>Modron Lawyer wrote:If you live outside the US, it's most likely legal to just run a DRM removal tool on the PDF you bought. Many countries have consumer rights that prevent the kind of misguided restrictions that companies try to enforce on digital goods you paid for.
Wrong. World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty
The DMCA is the US implementation of the WCT, for reference.
Sure, there's countries that aren't signatories of the WCT or that haven't enacted it, but it's...Brian E. Harris2011-06-30T14:30:17ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityIron-Dicehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#392011-06-30T13:16:22Z2011-06-30T12:40:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote></p>
<p>consumer rights that prevent the kind of misguided <b> nerdrage</b> that <b>adolescents</b> trying to get attention don't want to pay for </blockquote><p><b> •YAWN• </b>Quote:consumer rights that prevent the kind of misguided nerdrage that adolescents trying to get attention don't want to pay for
*YAWN*Iron-Dice2011-06-30T12:40:01ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityModron Lawyer (alias of Malaclypse)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#382011-06-30T12:01:22Z2011-06-30T08:15:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cosmo wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Modron Lawyer wrote:</div><blockquote> If you live outside the US, it's most likely legal to just run a DRM removal tool on the PDF you bought. Many countries have consumer rights that prevent the kind of arbitrary restrictions that corporations try to enforce on digital goods you paid for. </blockquote>Our restrictions are not arbitrary, nor are we a corporation.</blockquote><p>Oh, you're right.
<p>Here's a better version:</p>
<p>If you live outside the US, it's most likely legal to just run a DRM removal tool on the PDF you bought. Many countries have consumer rights that prevent the kind of <b>misguided</b> restrictions that <b>companies</b> try to enforce on digital goods you paid for.</p>
<p>The restrictions are misguided because anyone with the intent to steal your content can do so easily anyway, as there are torrents with the complete pathfinder collection available to anyone who can use a search engine. The only thing you achieve with your DRM is to punish the honest customers, your fans.</p>
<p>Its always sad if the product one can legally buy is inferior in quality to the illegally pirated one, and especially so because the decision to make it inferior is only based on unfounded fears.</p>Cosmo wrote:Modron Lawyer wrote: If you live outside the US, it's most likely legal to just run a DRM removal tool on the PDF you bought. Many countries have consumer rights that prevent the kind of arbitrary restrictions that corporations try to enforce on digital goods you paid for.
Our restrictions are not arbitrary, nor are we a corporation.Oh, you're right. Here's a better version:
If you live outside the US, it's most likely legal to just run a DRM removal tool on the PDF you bought....Modron Lawyer (alias of Malaclypse)2011-06-30T08:15:18ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityVic Wertz (Chief Technical Officer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#372011-06-29T19:54:27Z2011-06-29T19:54:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Chris Lambertz wrote:</div><blockquote> Unfortunately, flattening is not really an option for our PDF products, as some of our customers have varied uses for PDFs (printing, projecting, et cetera). Also, the reason they're not searchable is that the fonts can be rasterized. </blockquote><p>For the sake of clarity, our PDFs are searchable; Chris is saying that if the text were flattened—that is, converted from text to an <i>image</i> of text—the PDF would no longer <i>be</i> searchable, and the text would also no longer scale correctly as you zoom in.Chris Lambertz wrote:Unfortunately, flattening is not really an option for our PDF products, as some of our customers have varied uses for PDFs (printing, projecting, et cetera). Also, the reason they're not searchable is that the fonts can be rasterized.
For the sake of clarity, our PDFs are searchable; Chris is saying that if the text were flattened—that is, converted from text to an image of text—the PDF would no longer be searchable, and the text would also no longer scale correctly as...Vic Wertz (Chief Technical Officer)2011-06-29T19:54:27ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityCosmo (Director of Sales)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#362011-06-29T17:18:13Z2011-06-29T17:18:13Z<p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/vGFjP.gif" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Holy crap, I was right!</a></p>Holy crap, I was right!Cosmo (Director of Sales)2011-06-29T17:18:13ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securitybugleymanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#352011-06-29T17:17:41Z2011-06-29T17:17:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gary Teter wrote:</div><blockquote> And this is why I shouldn't post until my third coffee! </blockquote><p>No offense, but we have to stay on Cosmo's good side! ;-)Gary Teter wrote:And this is why I shouldn't post until my third coffee!
No offense, but we have to stay on Cosmo's good side! ;-)bugleyman2011-06-29T17:17:41ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityGary Teter (Senior Software Developer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#342011-06-29T17:15:05Z2011-06-29T17:15:05Z<p>And this is why I shouldn't post until my third coffee!</p>And this is why I shouldn't post until my third coffee!Gary Teter (Senior Software Developer)2011-06-29T17:15:05ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securitybugleymanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#332011-06-29T17:05:56Z2011-06-29T17:05:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gary Teter wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cosmo wrote:</div><blockquote>nor are we a corporation </blockquote>And this is why Cosmo shouldn't post to the messageboards while on the bus. •• spoiler omitted •• </blockquote><p>Actually, I believe that Cosmo is correct, as the C in LLC stands for company, not corporation. If I remember my undergrad years, an LLC is kinda a hybrid, offering many of the benefits of incorporation without (necessarily) incurring the "double" tax liability. Of course, IANAL.
<p>Not that any of this has to do with anything... :)</p>
<p>Edit: Looks like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_liability_company" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> agrees.</p>Gary Teter wrote:Cosmo wrote:nor are we a corporation
And this is why Cosmo shouldn't post to the messageboards while on the bus. ** spoiler omitted ** Actually, I believe that Cosmo is correct, as the C in LLC stands for company, not corporation. If I remember my undergrad years, an LLC is kinda a hybrid, offering many of the benefits of incorporation without (necessarily) incurring the "double" tax liability. Of course, IANAL. Not that any of this has to do with anything... :)
Edit: Looks...bugleyman2011-06-29T17:05:56ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityGary Teter (Senior Software Developer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#322011-07-01T06:51:32Z2011-06-29T17:02:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cosmo wrote:</div><blockquote>nor are we a corporation </blockquote><p>And this is why Cosmo shouldn't post to the messageboards while on the bus. [Spoiler omitted]Cosmo wrote:nor are we a corporation
And this is why Cosmo shouldn't post to the messageboards while on the bus. [Spoiler omitted]Gary Teter (Senior Software Developer)2011-06-29T17:02:00ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityCosmo (Director of Sales)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#312011-06-29T16:31:48Z2011-06-29T16:21:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Modron Lawyer wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Steven Davison 774 wrote:</div><blockquote> This is NOT a question about how to extract images from my new pdf. I simply want to decrease the file size so it performs better on searches, scrolling, etc. To change Decrease File Size, I need to change the security setting. To do that, I need a password. Do you provide these passwords? </blockquote>If you live outside the US, it's most likely legal to just run a DRM removal tool on the PDF you bought. Many countries have consumer rights that prevent the kind of arbitrary restrictions that corporations try to enforce on digital goods you paid for. </blockquote><p>Our restrictions are not arbitrary, nor are we a corporation.Modron Lawyer wrote:Steven Davison 774 wrote: This is NOT a question about how to extract images from my new pdf. I simply want to decrease the file size so it performs better on searches, scrolling, etc. To change Decrease File Size, I need to change the security setting. To do that, I need a password. Do you provide these passwords?
If you live outside the US, it's most likely legal to just run a DRM removal tool on the PDF you bought. Many countries have consumer rights that prevent the...Cosmo (Director of Sales)2011-06-29T16:21:19ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securitySkeldhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#302011-06-29T16:17:01Z2011-06-29T16:17:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Slamy Mcbiteo wrote:</div><blockquote> My machine is too slow for PDF reading???? Really...I play games like Champions Online and Age of Conan with little to no issues. It seems strange that a PDF would tax the graphic card on my machine. </blockquote><p>The video gaming industry is a multi-bajillion dollar industry and the companies that design/produce graphics cards have invested multi-bajillions of dollars into creating the best graphics cards for video gaming that they can. The better their graphics card is over the competition, the more of the market share they can grab. Over the years, graphics card firmware has become extremely specialized toward fast, efficient processing of 3D images and environments because no video gamer wants a low frame rate when playing their favorite shooter.
<p>Also video cards use entirely different processes for rendering 2D images as opposed to 3D images. So, yes, it is entirely possible (even common) to have a computer that works fine for gaming and sucks for browsing complex, layered PDFs. </p>
<p>-Skeld</p>Slamy Mcbiteo wrote:My machine is too slow for PDF reading???? Really...I play games like Champions Online and Age of Conan with little to no issues. It seems strange that a PDF would tax the graphic card on my machine.
The video gaming industry is a multi-bajillion dollar industry and the companies that design/produce graphics cards have invested multi-bajillions of dollars into creating the best graphics cards for video gaming that they can. The better their graphics card is over the...Skeld2011-06-29T16:17:01ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityModron Lawyer (alias of Malaclypse)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#292011-06-29T11:55:46Z2011-06-29T11:34:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Steven Davison 774 wrote:</div><blockquote> This is NOT a question about how to extract images from my new pdf. I simply want to decrease the file size so it performs better on searches, scrolling, etc. To change Decrease File Size, I need to change the security setting. To do that, I need a password. Do you provide these passwords? </blockquote><p>If you live outside the US, it's most likely legal to just run a DRM removal tool on the PDF you bought. Many countries have consumer rights that prevent the kind of arbitrary restrictions that corporations try to enforce on digital goods you paid for.Steven Davison 774 wrote:This is NOT a question about how to extract images from my new pdf. I simply want to decrease the file size so it performs better on searches, scrolling, etc. To change Decrease File Size, I need to change the security setting. To do that, I need a password. Do you provide these passwords?
If you live outside the US, it's most likely legal to just run a DRM removal tool on the PDF you bought. Many countries have consumer rights that prevent the kind of arbitrary...Modron Lawyer (alias of Malaclypse)2011-06-29T11:34:36ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securitySlamy Mcbiteohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#282011-06-29T02:30:58Z2011-06-29T01:27:42Z<p>wow I will admit Foxit is awesome! Thank you for the tip, it is now my default PDF viewer. It made all the difference...I can not believe Adobe is that bad or that heavy. Thank you thank you thank you!!! I think I may be able to use the PDFs again!!!!!!! I will try next game session..I only wish they had an Android version of the Foxit for my Xoom.</p>
<p>The file I was using as my test file was 078-103 PZO1110 Skills.pdf</p>wow I will admit Foxit is awesome! Thank you for the tip, it is now my default PDF viewer. It made all the difference...I can not believe Adobe is that bad or that heavy. Thank you thank you thank you!!! I think I may be able to use the PDFs again!!!!!!! I will try next game session..I only wish they had an Android version of the Foxit for my Xoom.
The file I was using as my test file was 078-103 PZO1110 Skills.pdfSlamy Mcbiteo2011-06-29T01:27:42ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityChris Lambertzhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#272011-06-29T00:16:25Z2011-06-29T00:16:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Slamy Mcbiteo wrote:</div><blockquote>Doing a little reading on the subject it seems that there are several different ways to optimize the PDF...actually it seems there are several companies that have software just for that...stuff that goes above and beyond Acrobat. I also read that flattening (combining to a single) layer also speeds up the veiwing. I think the issue is a flattened PDF is not searchable or secure...but I would definitely give up searching and some of the high res graphics for a usable pdf. But it seems that those are not options due to the security...basically putting your name and email in the PDF. Sorry but the idea that my machine is not fast enough to run the PDF seems really strange...... </blockquote><p>Unfortunately, flattening is not really an option for our PDF products, as some of our customers have varied uses for PDFs (printing, projecting, et cetera). Also, the reason they're not searchable is that the fonts can be rasterized. Again, not ideal when you're zooming for some reason or attempting to print. We are taking a good look at PDFs, so rest assured we are aware of problems that occur with large file sizes.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Slamy Mcbiteo wrote:</div><blockquote>hmmm I tried Easy PDF Reader and it is a better experience then Adobe..there is a little lag time but not the slow rendering of each layer like Adobe. The weird thing is it is only with the Paizo PDFs...I have other PDFs that fly right by in both Adobe and Easy PDF Reader. Other PDF's that I can not see the rendering when I scroll at all. The other PDF are even larger size..that is what makes me think there is something else going on here....I have been using the skills pathfinder PDF as try and figure out what the issue is....it is 10 meg. I have another PDF that is 16 meg that when I scroll I do not see any rendering at all. lol I have one that is 245 meg that I see a little bit of rendering but not the white screens I get for the 10 meg skills pdf. So not sure but it is definitely not right..........</blockquote><p>Could you point out which 10 MB file you're trying to open? Knowing what file you're trying to use is helpful to figuring out what's going on.Slamy Mcbiteo wrote:Doing a little reading on the subject it seems that there are several different ways to optimize the PDF...actually it seems there are several companies that have software just for that...stuff that goes above and beyond Acrobat. I also read that flattening (combining to a single) layer also speeds up the veiwing. I think the issue is a flattened PDF is not searchable or secure...but I would definitely give up searching and some of the high res graphics for a usable pdf....Chris Lambertz2011-06-29T00:16:25ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityShinmizuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#262011-06-28T23:28:13Z2011-06-28T23:28:13Z<p>Crap software is crap. Two completely different pieces of code can do the exact same thing, but one may take a dozen times as long or worse. I've seen things go from two and a half minutes to 1.2 seconds with simple code improvements.</p>Crap software is crap. Two completely different pieces of code can do the exact same thing, but one may take a dozen times as long or worse. I've seen things go from two and a half minutes to 1.2 seconds with simple code improvements.Shinmizu2011-06-28T23:28:13ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securitySlamy Mcbiteohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#252011-06-28T23:16:42Z2011-06-28T23:16:42Z<p>My machine is too slow for PDF reading???? Really...I play games like Champions Online and Age of Conan with little to no issues. It seems strange that a PDF would tax the graphic card on my machine. Either way I think that would be my issue....so I need I a high end gaming computer to effectively use the Paizo PDFs...that seems wrong to me. Very wrong...I guess I go back to first statement...I just will not be able to buy PDFs since they are really unusable during the gaming sessions. I am not about to go spend $1000.00 dollars or more to read PDFs effectively.</p>
<p>Doing a little reading on the subject it seems that there are several different ways to optimize the PDF...actually it seems there are several companies that have software just for that...stuff that goes above and beyond Acrobat. I also read that flattening (combining to a single) layer also speeds up the veiwing. I think the issue is a flattened PDF is not searchable or secure...but I would definitely give up searching and some of the high res graphics for a usable pdf. But it seems that those are not options due to the security...basically putting your name and email in the PDF. Sorry but the idea that my machine is not fast enough to run the PDF seems really strange......</p>My machine is too slow for PDF reading???? Really...I play games like Champions Online and Age of Conan with little to no issues. It seems strange that a PDF would tax the graphic card on my machine. Either way I think that would be my issue....so I need I a high end gaming computer to effectively use the Paizo PDFs...that seems wrong to me. Very wrong...I guess I go back to first statement...I just will not be able to buy PDFs since they are really unusable during the gaming sessions. I am...Slamy Mcbiteo2011-06-28T23:16:42ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityShinmizuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#242011-06-28T19:06:37Z2011-06-28T19:06:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">monskers wrote:</div><blockquote><p>+1 internet for you</p>
<p>I use foxit as well and don't have any slowness issues.</blockquote><p>I'll third Foxit. It's noticeably faster than Adobe, even on the exact same hardware.monskers wrote:+1 internet for you
I use foxit as well and don't have any slowness issues.
I'll third Foxit. It's noticeably faster than Adobe, even on the exact same hardware.Shinmizu2011-06-28T19:06:37ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securitymonskershttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#232011-06-28T17:43:42Z2011-06-28T17:43:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Power Word Unzip wrote:</div><blockquote> I highly recommend Foxit PDF reader over Adobe for general PDF browsing. Files load more quickly and the transition between pages is nearly seamless, even on older machines with outdated processors and lower amounts of RAM. </blockquote><p>+1 internet for you
<p>I use foxit as well and don't have any slowness issues.</p>Power Word Unzip wrote:I highly recommend Foxit PDF reader over Adobe for general PDF browsing. Files load more quickly and the transition between pages is nearly seamless, even on older machines with outdated processors and lower amounts of RAM.
+1 internet for you I use foxit as well and don't have any slowness issues.monskers2011-06-28T17:43:42ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securityPower Word Unzip (alias of Richard Moore, Jon Brazer Enterprises)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#222011-06-28T16:48:47Z2011-06-28T16:48:47Z<p>I highly recommend Foxit PDF reader over Adobe for general PDF browsing. Files load more quickly and the transition between pages is nearly seamless, even on older machines with outdated processors and lower amounts of RAM.</p>I highly recommend Foxit PDF reader over Adobe for general PDF browsing. Files load more quickly and the transition between pages is nearly seamless, even on older machines with outdated processors and lower amounts of RAM.Power Word Unzip (alias of Richard Moore, Jon Brazer Enterprises)2011-06-28T16:48:47ZRe: Forums: Customer Service: pdf securitySkeldhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9ri?pdf-security#212011-06-28T15:57:15Z2011-06-28T15:57:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Slamy Mcbiteo wrote:</div><blockquote> hmmm I tried Easy PDF Reader and it is a better experience then Adobe..there is a little lag time but not the slow rendering of each layer like Adobe. The weird thing is it is only with the Paizo PDFs...I have other PDFs that fly right by in both Adobe and Easy PDF Reader. Other PDF's that I can not see the rendering when I scroll at all. The other PDF are even larger size..that is what makes me think there is something else going on here....I have been using the skills pathfinder PDF as try and figure out what the issue is....it is 10 meg. I have another PDF that is 16 meg that when I scroll I do not see any rendering at all. lol I have one that is 245 meg that I see a little bit of rendering but not the white screens I get for the 10 meg skills pdf. So not sure but it is definitely not right.......... </blockquote><p>I think you've got a couple issues. Adobe is slow for starters. You need alot of horsepower to overcome its issues. I looked up your model and (assuming it's stock) it has an integrated graphics unit (like most laptops). Integrated video cards are slow and they also tend to eat away at your system RAM during use. Based on your model number, the particular graphics unit you have isn't very fast (it's more optimized toward low power usage) and users have reported problems with scrolling under Windows OSs.
<p>I think you're hitting a wall with what your laptop can handle. Paizo's PDFs are complex and layered (and look really nice) which is why they take longer than other PDFs you use. You probably need to use something other than Adobe because I don't think you have the processing (dual-core 2.4Ghz) power to overcome Adobe's slowness. Also, your particular graphics unit has some issues.</p>
<p>I have a beefy computer at home (at least it was beefy when I built it 6 months ago) and Paizo PDFs are noticeably slower than other vendors, but still not to the extent that they are problematic. </p>
<p>-Skeld</p>Slamy Mcbiteo wrote:hmmm I tried Easy PDF Reader and it is a better experience then Adobe..there is a little lag time but not the slow rendering of each layer like Adobe. The weird thing is it is only with the Paizo PDFs...I have other PDFs that fly right by in both Adobe and Easy PDF Reader. Other PDF's that I can not see the rendering when I scroll at all. The other PDF are even larger size..that is what makes me think there is something else going on here....I have been using the skills...Skeld2011-06-28T15:57:15Z