Transformers: Dark of the Moon ... are you as excited / afraid as I am? [SPOILERS]


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ghettowedge wrote:
I saw it and enjoyed it, but I've spent the last day or so just wondering if maybe it wasn't that good, just way better than part 2. Nothing more to add except that I don't think the 3D was worth it. None of the 3D sequences were super amazing, so if you can see it in 2D for a lot cheaper, do it.

3D is never worth it. No not even in Avatar.

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My opinion is quite opposite. 3D is worth it. Quite worth it. I will gladly pay extra to have a feel of depth in a film.

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FallofCamelot wrote:

Actually I sort of liked I Robot... :)

Doesn't James MacAvoy make it onto that list? He's only 32.

Ok it was the best of those under 30 it seems. i asked my friend if he remembered where we found the list and he said it was actors and actresses under 30.

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Hama wrote:

My opinion is quite opposite. 3D is worth it. Quite worth it. I will gladly pay extra to have a feel of depth in a film.

To each their own. Personally I detest 3D and wish it would get hit by a bus, set on fire and then eaten by a shark. :)

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Dark_Mistress wrote:
Hama wrote:

My opinion is quite opposite. 3D is worth it. Quite worth it. I will gladly pay extra to have a feel of depth in a film.

To each their own. Personally I detest 3D and wish it would get hit by a bus, set on fire and then eaten by a shark. :)

Care to give a reason for such hatred?

Grand Lodge

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It's a gimmick that adds nothing to the quality of the movie and actually makes it LESS realistic than it already is.

Scarab Sages

Ok, saw the movie this last weekend and just have to give my two cents. (Or is it two sense?)

It was ok, but I still liked the first one the best. A few things about this one that bugged me...

Spoiler:
Three movies in and they still can't figure out how to get Bumblebee to talk right?

The whole premise is based on some device that could have changed the tide of the battle on Cybertron -- a space bridge. Really? How exactly would that have given the autobots the edge they needed to win the war? Where would they have space-bridged to?

Is it really too much to ask to get people in the movie to call others by name? There were quite a number of autobots (especially) who I have no idea what their names were and who were shown through much of the movie.

The thing about "Transformers" ... the idea behind "Transformers" ... is that they ... transform. Considerably less in this movie. Ok, so there were some neat scenes where Bumblebee transforms to protect people inside him. But there were all kinds of Transformers who either didn't transform at all or very little -- especially the Decepticons. There were the three Decepticons who were chasing the Autobots on the freeway who transformed -- because they could be faster running? -- and ended up running after them. I think I saw Megatron transform once. Starscream was kind of a half transform. Laserbeak transformed into a tv screen -- because that's always helpful -- (I mean, he somehow knew where he would need to be, broke in while no one was around without triggering any security devices, dismantled and disposed of the existing screen and took it's place with no one the wiser...) And that was about it. You had this massive invasion of Decepticon transformers who never transformed. Shockwave comes immediately to mind. While the mechanical "Dune Worm" was cool -- it wasn't a "Transformer".

I also was a little disturbed by the killing of people in this one. People ... burst apart. But it was done in kind of a cavalier manner that bugged me. I know that they were trying to get across the feeling that things would really be bad if the Autobots weren't here. But I felt that that was a bit over the top and unneccesary.

I think that's about it.

Dark Archive

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Hama wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Hama wrote:

My opinion is quite opposite. 3D is worth it. Quite worth it. I will gladly pay extra to have a feel of depth in a film.

To each their own. Personally I detest 3D and wish it would get hit by a bus, set on fire and then eaten by a shark. :)
Care to give a reason for such hatred?

Pretty much what TriO said, plus I find it actively annoying. Similar to someone sticking their finger in your face over and over. I just honestly find it really annoying.

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Hama wrote:
ghettowedge wrote:
I saw it and enjoyed it, but I've spent the last day or so just wondering if maybe it wasn't that good, just way better than part 2. Nothing more to add except that I don't think the 3D was worth it. None of the 3D sequences were super amazing, so if you can see it in 2D for a lot cheaper, do it.
I disagree. They don't need to be super amazing. They just have to have me go: Whoa, that rock is closer to me then that other rock that is behind it...holy s***t! There is DEPTH AND PERSPECTIVE here. Do not expect avatar-level 3d....

Ok I think i'm starting to understand the "8 out of 10" score now.....

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Pan wrote:
Hama wrote:
ghettowedge wrote:
I saw it and enjoyed it, but I've spent the last day or so just wondering if maybe it wasn't that good, just way better than part 2. Nothing more to add except that I don't think the 3D was worth it. None of the 3D sequences were super amazing, so if you can see it in 2D for a lot cheaper, do it.
I disagree. They don't need to be super amazing. They just have to have me go: Whoa, that rock is closer to me then that other rock that is behind it...holy s***t! There is DEPTH AND PERSPECTIVE here. Do not expect avatar-level 3d....
Ok I think i'm starting to understand the "8 out of 10" score now.....

No, it's just that i went to watch the film for what it is, and not for what people want it to be. It is a highly shiny giant robot bashfest. And as such is insanely fun to watch.

Only an idiot would expect some kind of deep, immersive story from a summer blockbuster popcorn flick with giant robots.


3D is worthwhile if the movie was specifically filmed and designed to utilize 3D, and the means of producing the 3D were sufficiently advanced.

So far the list of movies that fits this description:
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Hama wrote:
Pan wrote:
Hama wrote:
ghettowedge wrote:
I saw it and enjoyed it, but I've spent the last day or so just wondering if maybe it wasn't that good, just way better than part 2. Nothing more to add except that I don't think the 3D was worth it. None of the 3D sequences were super amazing, so if you can see it in 2D for a lot cheaper, do it.
I disagree. They don't need to be super amazing. They just have to have me go: Whoa, that rock is closer to me then that other rock that is behind it...holy s***t! There is DEPTH AND PERSPECTIVE here. Do not expect avatar-level 3d....
Ok I think i'm starting to understand the "8 out of 10" score now.....

No, it's just that i went to watch the film for what it is, and not for what people want it to be. It is a highly shiny giant robot bashfest. And as such is insanely fun to watch.

Only an idiot would expect some kind of deep, immersive story from a summer blockbuster popcorn flick with giant robots.

My problem is that it wasn't a robot bashfest.

There was like one minute of robots beating each other up for every twenty minutes of SQUISHY HUMAN DRAMA

Silver Crusade

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By all accounts half the film is Shia Lebouef looking for a job and the other half is giant robots hitting each other in a confusing melee where you can't tell which robot is which.

I detest these movies. I detest Michael Bay. He reduces the main female character to a walking butt to be leered at. He has a major adoration for the military that borders on a fetish. He employs Shia Lebouef. His films have no heart, no soul and no charm. The man is a cinematic parasite.

I hate the expression "turn your brain off and it's fine". I don't mind undemanding entertainment, that's fine, but an action flick doesn't have to be stupid. These movies are very, very stupid. But worse than that they are plastic and disposable. There's nothing creative or charming about these films. They are crass, vulgar and ugly in every sense of the word. Avatar was stupid too but at least it tried to engage you. The Transformers movies are just unpleasant in every sense of the word, devoid of charm, wit and empathy.

The fact that this movie will make money is a sad reflection on society. It's a sign that all we want from our movies is a butt to stare at, loud explosions and a lot of shouting.

Forgive me if I want something more, even from my dumb action movies.

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FallofCamelot wrote:

By all accounts half the film is Shia Lebouef looking for a job and the other half is giant robots hitting each other in a confusing melee where you can't tell which robot is which.

I detest these movies. I detest Michael Bay. He reduces the main female character to a walking butt to be leered at. He has a major adoration for the military that borders on a fetish. He employs Shia Lebouef. His films have no heart, no soul and no charm. The man is a cinematic parasite.

I hate the expression "turn your brain off and it's fine". I don't mind undemanding entertainment, that's fine, but an action flick doesn't have to be stupid. These movies are very, very stupid. But worse than that they are plastic and disposable. There's nothing creative or charming about these films. They are crass, vulgar and ugly in every sense of the word. Avatar was stupid too but at least it tried to engage you. The Transformers movies are just unpleasant in every sense of the word, devoid of charm, wit and empathy.

The fact that this movie will make money is a sad reflection on society. It's a sign that all we want from our movies is a butt to stare at, loud explosions and a lot of shouting.

Forgive me if I want something more, even from my dumb action movies.

Then i warmly recommend European cinematography, french to be exact. And Italian. Those are awesome.

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Hama wrote:
Then i warmly recommend European cinematography, french to be exact. And Italian. Those are awesome.

I agree. I you can't live without 'splosions every two minutes though, I'm afraid you'll have to stick to Hollywood garbage to compost quality range movies...

Silver Crusade

Indeed. Le Bossu is one of my favourite movies.


FallofCamelot wrote:
Indeed. Le Bossu is one of my favourite movies.

Then by all means, enjoy Le Bossu. I would also be interested in finding out what you wanted from a movie like T:DSOM, that is if you were even interested in seeing it at all.

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ProfessorCirno wrote:
Hama wrote:
Pan wrote:
Hama wrote:
ghettowedge wrote:
I saw it and enjoyed it, but I've spent the last day or so just wondering if maybe it wasn't that good, just way better than part 2. Nothing more to add except that I don't think the 3D was worth it. None of the 3D sequences were super amazing, so if you can see it in 2D for a lot cheaper, do it.
I disagree. They don't need to be super amazing. They just have to have me go: Whoa, that rock is closer to me then that other rock that is behind it...holy s***t! There is DEPTH AND PERSPECTIVE here. Do not expect avatar-level 3d....
Ok I think i'm starting to understand the "8 out of 10" score now.....

No, it's just that i went to watch the film for what it is, and not for what people want it to be. It is a highly shiny giant robot bashfest. And as such is insanely fun to watch.

Only an idiot would expect some kind of deep, immersive story from a summer blockbuster popcorn flick with giant robots.

My problem is that it wasn't a robot bashfest.

There was like one minute of robots beating each other up for every twenty minutes of SQUISHY HUMAN DRAMA

Prof C points it out exactly. The series should have been called "Adventures of Witwicky.....guest starring the Transformers"

In part 1 Witwicky gets his first car and a date with the hottest girl in school. Oh and robots sometimes fight each other to the death.

In Part 2 Witwicky goes to college!!! Oh and robots sometimes fight each other to the death.

In Part 3 Witwicky gets a job!! Oh and robots sometimes fight each other to the death.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

TriOmegaZero wrote:
It's a gimmick that adds nothing to the quality of the movie and actually makes it LESS realistic than it already is.

+1

To me, the 3D effect creates a visual impression of separate flat layers overlaid on each other (rather like the multiplane camera Disney invented for Snow White back in 1937), which makes each individual layer seem less deep and immersive than they should be. More layers is not better when the layers themselves look like they are of lesser quality.

To me, a well-shot 2D looks a lot more realistic.

I was actually more annoyed with 3D a year ago, when 3D movies were listed intermingled with 2D showings of the same film, so you could not tell ahead of time which showings were 2 and which were 3. One movie I ended up taking a family of 5 to and it turned out the only showings starting within an hour of our arrival were 3D. Rather than kill an hour waiting around the mall, I grumbled and paid the dough for the show but was not happy. It felt like intentional obfuscation to get you to the theater and then place you in a position where you feel forced (yes, I know you aren't really - you could always choose to wait or to leave) to pay the gouge-price for an extra you don't want just to avoid having to wait and come back. An extra $4-5 per ticket adds up fast when it's the whole family, not just you.

More recently, they have begun listing movies separately, for which I am grateful, so now I can avoid accidentally getting stuck in that situation again.

I do see occasionally 3D movies in the terrific 6-story IMAX theater at the Pacific Science Center, but only because they are included free as part of our family membership. Even so, I'm happier when those IMAX movies turn out to be 2D (like Super 8 was, vs. Tron and Pirates of the Caribbean and a number of other films).

Hey, if you like 3D, more power to you. Have fun. I find it lessens my enjoyment of a film, and the idea of paying more and getting less is not my idea of a good time.


Freehold DM wrote:
...I would also be interested in finding out what you wanted from a movie like T:DSOM, that is if you were even interested in seeing it at all.

If I was writing it, the first thing I'd include is a scene where The Beef and M. Bay Shyasplosion are chased and eventually gruesomely squished under a Decepticon's tires within the first 5 minutes of the start of the movie.

The second thing I'd change would be a handsome and witty non-Bay-caricatured African-American Marine captain uncovers that Joss Whedon is actually a Pretender... which leads to an epic mano-a-roboto battle that would make John Woo envious.

Plus, you know, more robots fighting robots using battlefield tactics and acting like they are veterans in a war that had lasted for thousands of years. ZERO angsty human melodrama and stupid parental/racist robotic "comedy relief". A freaking plot and actual character development. Camera direction that the human eye can clearly follow.

Silver Crusade

Freehold DM wrote:
FallofCamelot wrote:
Indeed. Le Bossu is one of my favourite movies.
Then by all means, enjoy Le Bossu. I would also be interested in finding out what you wanted from a movie like T:DSOM, that is if you were even interested in seeing it at all.

Look, I'm not opposed to fun action movies. I like the Pirates of The Carribean series, I enjoyed Avatar. The problem is that the Transformers series is not fun in any way.

Five things that would improve the entire series immesurably:

1) Stop treating women as pieces of meat to be gawked at. I'm not saying that sexy women are bad per se but at least give them something to do other than look pretty.

2) Stop using imagery from real life disasters where people died to sell your nasty little movie. It's just insulting.

3) Stop trying to be funny. The parents are awful, the racist comic relief autobots are worse. There's no need for the autobots to have Scottish or Irish accents. It's just dumb. Plus no-one wants to see John Tutturro in a jockstrap.

4) Stop concentrating on the humans. Nobody is interested in Shia Lebouef, or his girlfriend of the week, or his parents, or the NEST team. We want to see the Transformers.

5) Make the Autobots and Decepticons unique and easy to recognise. Most of the fights are just grey on grey making it very difficult to work out who is fighting who.

Sort these five points out and that would make the film vaguely watchable. As it is the film is crass and loud with nothing approaching subtlety.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
...I would also be interested in finding out what you wanted from a movie like T:DSOM, that is if you were even interested in seeing it at all.

If I was writing it, the first thing I'd include is a scene where The Beef and M. Bay Shyasplosion are chased and eventually gruesomely squished under a Decepticon's tires within the first 5 minutes of the start of the movie.

The second thing I'd change would be a handsome and witty non-Bay-caricatured African-American Marine captain uncovers that Joss Whedon is actually a Pretender... which leads to an epic mano-a-roboto battle that would make John Woo envious.

Plus, you know, more robots fighting robots using battlefield tactics and acting like they are veterans in a war that had lasted for thousands of years. ZERO angsty human melodrama and stupid parental/racist robotic "comedy relief". A freaking plot and actual character development. Camera direction that the human eye can clearly follow.

I'd see this just for the Pretenders. Why did you have to include Pretenders?@?! They're like crack to me. I would mourn Micheal Bay's loss, even as I would cheer watching Whedon fall to human ingenuity.

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
...I would also be interested in finding out what you wanted from a movie like T:DSOM, that is if you were even interested in seeing it at all.

If I was writing it, the first thing I'd include is a scene where The Beef and M. Bay Shyasplosion are chased and eventually gruesomely squished under a Decepticon's tires within the first 5 minutes of the start of the movie.

The second thing I'd change would be a handsome and witty non-Bay-caricatured African-American Marine captain uncovers that Joss Whedon is actually a Pretender... which leads to an epic mano-a-roboto battle that would make John Woo envious.

Plus, you know, more robots fighting robots using battlefield tactics and acting like they are veterans in a war that had lasted for thousands of years. ZERO angsty human melodrama and stupid parental/racist robotic "comedy relief". A freaking plot and actual character development. Camera direction that the human eye can clearly follow.

Somebody get Ambrosia a bus ticket to L.A.!

Dark Archive

I thought it was OK for what it was intended to be. A explosive filled action movie.It is not intended to be a serious work of motion picture art.

And I thought the same of the first two as well, for the intended purpose they were good. Actually a lot better than a lot of the crap that they are making movies about nowadays.


Freehold DM wrote:
I'd see this just for the Pretenders. Why did you have to include Pretenders?@?! They're like crack to me. I would mourn Micheal Bay's loss, even as I would cheer watching Whedon fall to human ingenuity.
Pan wrote:
Somebody get Ambrosia a bus ticket to L.A.!

Hmmm, maybe I should get this new book afterall?

bigkilla wrote:
I thought it was OK for what it was intended to be. A explosive filled action movie.It is not intended to be a serious work of motion picture art.

I don't expect high art out of a summer popcorn flick. But Bay isn't even a good director of action sequences. I've heard the constraints of filming in 3D reigned him in somewhat: less frentic cuts, less camera gymnastics, forced to pull back for wider shots. It's a start I guess.


Just saw it. I'd ..... rank it about equal with the First Tran-Bay movie. Yes, I know, blasphemy, but overall it was an enjoyable action flick, the Autobots were without exception the only transformers with colouration, I'll admit a love of the Wreckers, bad accents and all. Just .... angry scottsmen, singularly most terrifying force known to man, now armed with intergrated gattling cannons, super-human strength and endurance and ever fouler personalities than Slag suffering from the 4 million year Itch.

Female love interest was about as interesting as any other piece of fap-bait, but I'd still rank her about the same as the previous love interest: there to give the lonely young men false hope of another Wet T-Shirt segment ala Spiderman. Kinda got her confused with the female blonde government agent from the first movie, which is kinda depressing when you consider that apparently long legs, sex appeal and fly-on-the-wall acting apparently cuts it for the leading female role.

So Liz doesn't have to come break my face again ...:
Wheely and his Cohort died heroicly. Oddly more than I thought Bay would give bit-part characters. Decepticons die like the cannon fodder they are, but Megatron's 'babies' out in the African desert are never shown to die. I smell yet another movie. Hopefully Michael Bay is kept away and Steven Spielberg falls back on his own chops to direct it.

Humans kick arse, once obligatory Heroic B!~&$ Slap of Destiny is delivered to all and sundry, and tear Starscream to pieces and then proceed to chew Soundwave up like a cheap chew-toy. A nice touch, given that now we have Energon detectors and apparently HEAT-round modified weaponry is stockpiled in enough numbers to literally drown the Decepticons in ammunition.

The new face on the block is a nice foil to Optimus. One values life and freedom, the other values Cybertronian life and wishes for a return to racial unity. A nice touch for the 'shades of hero' theme and how easy it would be for Optimus to lose faith just once and start a gradual slide into absolute villainy.

And the final fight with Megatron .... THAT WAS IT? Millions of years of hatred between the two, endless fighting, losing countless friends and allies to each other ... and bang it's done. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah....

Still, I'd give it a 3-3.5 outta 5. It's nowhere near the fun the original animated movie was, but still it's not nearly as terribad as the second movie.


The series sucks. Did Bay do any research on Optimus Prime? Grrrr...

At least now that Bay has killed almost everyone, hopefully someone else can restart this series. It reminds me of Highlander in many ways (but perhaps less horrific). Let's just forget it ever happenned!


Jason S wrote:

The series sucks. Did Bay do any research on Optimus Prime? Grrrr...

At least now that Bay has killed almost everyone, hopefully someone else can restart this series. It reminds me of Highlander in many ways (but perhaps less horrific). Let's just forget it ever happenned!

Come now. Even you must admit that the highlander sequels were far, far, FAR worse.

I can't believe I spent MONEY to see that last one in theatres. The person who convinced my friends and I to see it is NOT ALLOWED TO PICK A MOVIE EVER AGAIN.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Freehold DM wrote:

Come now. Even you must admit that the highlander sequels were far, far, FAR worse.

I can't believe I spent MONEY to see that last one in theatres. The person who convinced my friends and I to see it is NOT ALLOWED TO PICK A MOVIE EVER AGAIN.

The rough cut was better, and changed the order of events in the movie.

Still not better than the first, but at least it wasn't as bad as Transfomers 3 ;-)


Matthew Morris wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

Come now. Even you must admit that the highlander sequels were far, far, FAR worse.

I can't believe I spent MONEY to see that last one in theatres. The person who convinced my friends and I to see it is NOT ALLOWED TO PICK A MOVIE EVER AGAIN.

The rough cut was better, and changed the order of events in the movie.

Still not better than the first, but at least it wasn't as bad as Transfomers 3 ;-)

Clearly, we must do battle. >:-O

Dark Archive

Freehold DM wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
I hold out enough hope that I will go and see it. I was not going to but after Michael Bay apologized for Revenge of the Fallen, I feel like I should at least give it a try.
When did he apologize for RotF? What did he say exactly?

Sorry I missed this. I have had limited internet access lately. here is the article about his apology. Basically he says that he should not have tried to put the film out so quickly after the writers strike, and the producer said they tried to do to much and did not do any of it good.


I saw T3 and liked it just fine and would see it again.


I *FINALLY* saw T3 yesterday. Wow, what a flawed movie! It could have seriously used some editing, removal of about 30 minutes of non-Transformers based interplay *would* have helped. That said, it wasn't nearly as awful as I had heard it was going to be from some nay-sayers.

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