Yes, but you must be able to touch the target since you can't see them.
Why, the range is 100ft+10ft per caster lvl, no touch required
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Sleep is an area of affect spell so you have to be able to find out the general of the bad guys. There is way to choose an area accurately if you are blind though. DM's have to make an on the spot for such situations to determine if you will be able to target the correct area.
i am the DM, but i don't know how to set the DC of that spot check.
If i am standing in a busy parking lot, with a blindfold. There is no way in hell that i'll be able to first of all find exactly what distance the enemy is to me, within an error margin of 5ft, much less make out if its friend or foe. I mean, clanky armor sounds alike.
If the fight is 100ft away, there is no way this will happen.
Background: Player took blindness as oracle, and seems to be trying to find a loophole.
His archer pal has whistling arrows for example.
i am the DM, but i don't know how to set the DC of that spot check.
If i am standing in a busy parking lot, with a blindfold. There is no way in hell that i'll be able to first of all find exactly what distance the enemy is to me, within an error margin of 5ft, much less make out if its friend or foe. I mean, clanky armor sounds alike.
If the fight is 100ft away, there is no way this will happen.Background: Player took blindness as oracle, and seems to be trying to find a loophole.
His archer pal has whistling arrows for example.
Here's a baseline Lego box.
Perception
Hear the sound of a creature walking DC10
Distance to the source, object, or creature +1/10 feet
Unfavorable conditions +2
Terrible conditions +5
Creature making the check is distracted +5
So basically your player's oracle is DC10 +1/10ft to the target. Then you get to add circumstance modifiers (examples are given in the table for Perception by the way) if you feel there's cause. If your player has invested heavily in Perception as a compensation for his/her curse, so be it. That's a deaf person who's learned to lean on his/her hearing.
So that in theory lets the player know what square their targeting. Keep in mind that sleep being a 10ft radius burst, that's a lot more than just one square. A near miss may be sufficient. You might want to roll another die to see what direction the oracle is off. Something like fireball being much larger an area requires less precision.
Final comment... remember that a player investing limited resources into tactics that compensate for class/race choices isn't cheating. Feats, skills, spells-known, special gear... all of that investment could have gone towards other things if the character wasn't hobbled with its inherent limitations. Overcoming isn't a Bad Thing as long as it's got a price.
i am the DM, but i don't know how to set the DC of that spot check.
If i am standing in a busy parking lot, with a blindfold. There is no way in hell that i'll be able to first of all find exactly what distance the enemy is to me, within an error margin of 5ft, much less make out if its friend or foe. I mean, clanky armor sounds alike.
If the fight is 100ft away, there is no way this will happen.Background: Player took blindness as oracle, and seems to be trying to find a loophole.
His archer pal has whistling arrows for example.
You can't really target accurately.
I would a suggest a DC 20+1 for every 10 feet the intended area is away.I would then roll a 1d8 behind the screen to determine how far off the caster was similar to a missed splashed weapon throw. I would He would always be off by at least one. The whistling arrows would not help. If he missed the DC then the spell is off by one additional square for every one by which the DC is missed.
What happened to the original post?
Sleep is an area of affect spell so you have to be able to find out the general of the bad guys. There is way to choose an area accurately if you are blind though. DM's have to make an on the spot for such situations to determine if you will be able to target the correct area.
I dunno, I was answering the subject line.
And yes, you're right, it is an area spell isn't it? You don't really need to see for those. It's TARGET spells that require you to touch the target when you can't see them.
Well. The standard DC is based on having the ability to see your opponent.
I guess 20+1 per 10ft is reasonable
Also, watch out for your wily oracle to buy eagle-lenses or some other Perception boosting item that relies on sight...
You should probably distinguish between close, medium and long-range spells:
Close: 20 + 1 per 10ft
Medium: 20 + 2 per 10 ft
Long: 20 + 4 per 10 ft
Remember that at that distance being off by just a few degrees in direction would make the net point of target be waaaay off, even assuming that the amount of distance the oracle judges is correct.
Background: Player took blindness as oracle, and seems to be trying to find a loophole.
Keep in mind that as an Oracle with the Clouded Vision Curse, he isn't fully blind, he is only blind past thirty feet. For most interior encounters he will be able to see to target just fine. From 5th level on, he can see out to 60 feet. Arguably, before that he can get the wizard to cast darkvision on him and see out to 60 feet.
As with all the Oracle curses, he is taking a mechanical penalty in one area to gain a mechanical advantage in others. So while he might have trouble fighting at range forever, he becomes impossible to sneak up on at later levels.
In general though, fully blinding a caster pretty much shuts them down.
Also, how is an Oracle casting sleep? Its not on their spell list, so this player might be trying to pull one over on you in a completely different fashion.
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Keep in mind that as an Oracle with the Clouded Vision Curse, he isn't fully blind, he is only blind past thirty feet. For most interior encounters he will be able to see to target just fine. From 5th level on, he can see out to 60 feet. Arguably, before that he can get the wizard to cast darkvision on him and see out to 60 feet.
Clouded Vision: Your eyes are obscured, making it difficult for you to see. You cannot see anything beyond 30 feet, but you can see as if you had darkvision. At 5th level, this distance increases to 60 feet. At 10th level, you gain blindsense out to a range of 30 feet. At 15th level, you gain blindsight out to a range of 15 feet.
I will NOT allow darkvision (both spell or natural) to bypass the 30' limit before 5th lvl.
Eh, its only a useful tactic from 1st to 4th level, and its only really viable at 3rd and 4th level. Even then you are forcing the arcane caster to burn one of his highest level spell slots just so you can see a little bit further for half a day. Or spend 150gp per 3 hours on a scroll, or 300gp per 3 hours on a potion. Thats 5 to 10% of the characters wealth, each!
If somebody wants to spend those kind of resources to get around the disability they picked for themselves, why not let them?
RAW... its tricky.
The subject gains the ability to see 60 feet even in total darkness. Darkvision is black and white only but otherwise like normal sight.
Darkvision can be made permanent with a permanency spell.
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I can see it argued either way. I would allow it, since its a big, big expenditure of resources, but I can understand why people would not.
Either way, its still nowhere near as serious a threat to balance as an Oracle casting arcane spells...
Also, how is an Oracle casting sleep? Its not on their spell list, so this player might be trying to pull one over on you in a completely different fashion.
Could be multiclassed with Sorcerer and/or using UMD?