Zaister |
Question, if you can answer it, will it be more like Holmes which lead players to AD&D by design? or more like BECMI and stand alone as a game in itself, a more simplified Pathfinder, taking characters to high levels with more releases?
What is "Holmes"?
Scribbling Rambler |
joethelawyer wrote:Question, if you can answer it, will it be more like Holmes which lead players to AD&D by design? or more like BECMI and stand alone as a game in itself, a more simplified Pathfinder, taking characters to high levels with more releases?What is "Holmes"?
Holmes is the "Blue Box" original Basic Set, from the days before "Keep on the Borderlands". It came with the Basic Rulebook, Module B1 ("In Search of the Unknown"), and no dice.... instead, the rulebook had chits that you cut out and pulled out of a cup. It's the set I started with.
EDIT: It had no rules for characters above 3rd, and the module included pre-gens which used AD&D rules in their stats, rather than the accompanying basic rules.
Zaister |
Holmes is the "Blue Box" original Basic Set, ...
Thank you, I know of that box, I've just never heard of it referred to in that way.
Dance of Ruin |
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As much as I would like a copy of this, please please please do not make it part of an existing subscription.
+1. I really hope that Paizo will throw international subscribers a bone here, as the situation Antony described is even worse in other EU countries (because of higher import taxes). If this were to become part of my subscription, I would easily have to pay something between 150 and 200% of the original purchase price.
Apart from that, while I know Paizo's business model relies heavily on subscriptions, I wonder where the idea came from to include 'beginner' product into existing subscription lines (i.e., sell the beginner set to customers who - in many cases - will own the vast majority of sourcebooks Paizo has published for PF)? This (forgive me for saying so) seems somewhat counterintuitive to me.
Scribbling Rambler |
Scribbling Rambler wrote:Holmes is the "Blue Box" original Basic Set, ...Thank you, I know of that box, I've just never heard of it referred to in that way.
I will confess to needing a Google to confirm :)
deinol |
What is a 'full-color pawn'?
I suspect they are like the stand ups for Kill Doctor Lucky. Which are also described as pawns.
GoldFroggy |
It seems awfully weird to me to include a beginner's box as part of an ongoing subscription, maybe that is just me, but I wouldnt want a rookie box set. Not really my concern though since I do not have a subscription, but I don't think I'd be happy with it.
I'm not, for your reasons and because I'm international subscriber too. I'm going to cancel.
That said, I understand why a lot of other folks are happy to receive it.
Paul Watson |
Remco Sommeling wrote:It seems awfully weird to me to include a beginner's box as part of an ongoing subscription, maybe that is just me, but I wouldnt want a rookie box set. Not really my concern though since I do not have a subscription, but I don't think I'd be happy with it.I'm not, for your reasons and because I'm international subscriber too. I'm going to cancel.
That said, I understand why a lot of other folks are happy to receive it.
Likewise. I'll drop is after UC and then pick up again when I can select the book after. But no interest in this, especially giventhe import duties and shipping costs. I might pick it up from the LGS but that would be it. I have to agree that including it in the subscription is not a move from Paizo I'm happy with.
gbonehead Owner - House of Books and Games LLC |
Zaister wrote:Holmes is the "Blue Box" original Basic Set, from the days before "Keep on the Borderlands". It came with the Basic Rulebook, Module B1 ("In Search of the Unknown"), and no dice.... instead, the rulebook had chits that you cut out and pulled out of a cup. It's the set I started with.joethelawyer wrote:Question, if you can answer it, will it be more like Holmes which lead players to AD&D by design? or more like BECMI and stand alone as a game in itself, a more simplified Pathfinder, taking characters to high levels with more releases?What is "Holmes"?
OHHHHH. Holmes was the author who created the basic rules based on Gygax's rule set. Sheesh, you'd think someone would mention that. Yeah, I've never heard it called "Holmes" either; I've always heard it called the blue box, and I got one at Toys 'R Us back when it first came out.
EDIT: It had no rules for characters above 3rd, and the module included pre-gens which used AD&D rules in their stats, rather than the accompanying basic rules.
Note that the blue box set DID come with Keep on the Borderlands when I got it, but still had those damnable chits and you had to send away for an (uber crappy) set of polyhedral dice. I still have some of them, but most were lost over the years.
Thomas Miller aka tqmillerusa |
The dice have to come with a little white crayon and we have to color them ourselves! Then I WILL be reliving some golden memories.
Oh, and the corners need to be really really rounded so the things roll forever! Can't forget that.
On a more serious not...
Thanks, guys. Good to see a starter box product for Pathfinder.
gbonehead Owner - House of Books and Games LLC |
Guillaume Godbout |
It's going to be more than welcome around here!
Note: The younger ones are less able to deal with "second languages". It might be significant if that product goes through the translations that have been covered for Core. (French, Spanish and German I think?)
I really hope that Black-Books édition will do the translation. My 6 year old loves to game with his dad. That would be an awsome gift for him.
Joana |
Apart from that, while I know Paizo's business model relies heavily on subscriptions, I wonder where the idea came from to include 'beginner' product into existing subscription lines (i.e., sell the beginner set to customers who - in many cases - will own the vast majority of sourcebooks Paizo has published for PF)? This (forgive me for saying so) seems somewhat counterintuitive to me.
There has been clamoring for it to be included in a subscription in the various speculation threads about what would be in the introductory game. Mainly, I assume, for the free PDFs: if it's not part of a subscription, everyone has to pay for the PDF separately.
Tamago RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16 |
Cpt_kirstov |
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Okay, seriously, that's a blue dragon on the cover, right?The picture is a bit washed-out on my monitor, but it does seem rather bluish. Which seems odd, given that the set is supposed to contain a Black Dragon, not a blue one.
Purple is often used for shading of black creatures so that detail can be put on them better. Usually to represent non-direct sunlight. I'm guessing that's what this is, considering the background looks cloudy.
it definatly fits the Black dragon more than the Blu Dragon look on Golarion
Dale McCoy Jr Jon Brazer Enterprises |
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Yup; it's a black dragon. Even though it's not ALL black (even BLACK isn't actually black when you get down to it for pigments and colors, usually), check out the way its horns work. They're in the black dragon shape, not blue dragon shape.
When we illustrate blue dragons, they generally are of a sky-blue shade, in any case. That, and blue dragons are MUCH more sleek than black dragons.
Compare to the dragon on the cover of the GameMastery Guide to see how the same artist depicts a blue dragon as opposed to a black.
Marc Radle |
Scribbling Rambler wrote:Holmes is the "Blue Box" original Basic Set, ...Thank you, I know of that box, I've just never heard of it referred to in that way.
Me either!
rooboy |
captain yesterday wrote:guess i didn't need that blood or plasma (whichever pays more) anyway. cant wait :)I imagine blood pays more does since plasma is blood without the red blood cells.
I can't believe I'm about to admit this, but I'm pretty sure if my memory is correct that plasma pays more - takes longer too.
Ahh, college.
Lisa Stevens CEO |
Paul Watson |
Gorbacz wrote:bugleyman wrote:Paizo isn't publicly traded, it's a property of Lisa, Vic and a badger named Joe.Benicio Del Espada wrote:I wish I could buy shares...Interesting thought...
Not entirely true. We kicked Joe to the curb a little while ago, so it is just Vic and myself now.
-Lisa
Well, at least that explains why badger weren't in the first Bestiary.
Gorbacz |
Lisa Stevens wrote:Well, at least that explains why badger weren't in the first Bestiary.Gorbacz wrote:bugleyman wrote:Paizo isn't publicly traded, it's a property of Lisa, Vic and a badger named Joe.Benicio Del Espada wrote:I wish I could buy shares...Interesting thought...
Not entirely true. We kicked Joe to the curb a little while ago, so it is just Vic and myself now.
-Lisa
The badger must have been in cahoots with a hippogriff, obviously.
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
Would anyone at paizo like to give me an answer on my above question regarding the possible weight/size of this product..I'm concerned that postage might cost me more than the box on this one in which case I'll be asking for it not to be sent.
Our current estimate is that the box will weigh right around 3.5 pounds, but until we have actual product samples in our hands, we can't be precise. Until then, we are erring on the high side—that is, if you add it to your cart right now, the estimated shipped weight is over that magical 4-pound international limit, making your only valid shipping option International Priority, which is expensive.
Once we have an actual sample—which will probably be a couple of months—we'll do our best to figure out how to safely package it under that 4 pound limit, which will allow for much cheaper international shipping... but that *may* not be possible.
Thod |
DM Wellard wrote:Would anyone at paizo like to give me an answer on my above question regarding the possible weight/size of this product..I'm concerned that postage might cost me more than the box on this one in which case I'll be asking for it not to be sent.Our current estimate is that the box will weigh right around 3.5 pounds, but until we have actual product samples in our hands, we can't be precise. Until then, we are erring on the high side—that is, if you add it to your cart right now, the estimated shipped weight is over that magical 4-pound international limit, making your only valid shipping option International Priority, which is expensive.
Once we have an actual sample—which will probably be a couple of months—we'll do our best to figure out how to safely package it under that 4 pound limit, which will allow for much cheaper international shipping... but that *may* not be possible.
I love the box, might get mo than one to give away as friends of my son might want to be introduced.
But as international subscriber I would have probably to discontinue my subscription for the box and start afterwards again. It Is above the £18 magic barrier for UK which means VAT and worse - approx. $13 or even $20 for handling fee.
I rather pay extra for a PDFas het it free and pay double to the taxman and courier. In the end that way also probably more money will end with Paizo if I buy the box locally and the PDF direct.
So please think about a way to allow non-US customers to skip the box or even exclude it.
Thod
AlanM |
Werecorpse wrote:I suspect they are like the stand ups for Kill Doctor Lucky. Which are also described as pawns.What is a 'full-color pawn'?
If that is the case, that would be awesome.
Joe the Badger |
Gorbacz wrote:bugleyman wrote:Paizo isn't publicly traded, it's a property of Lisa, Vic and a badger named Joe.Benicio Del Espada wrote:I wish I could buy shares...Interesting thought...
Not entirely true. We kicked Joe to the curb a little while ago, so it is just Vic and myself now.
-Lisa
I was forced out by a malicious coup! My Jersey Shore rpg idea would have totally sold out! Where's my lawyer?
David Spaar |
If I'm understanding this correctly, the only way to avoid getting this if you're a PFRPG subscriber is to cancel your subscription prior to the release of the product, is that correct? Seems a heavy-handed way to have to deal with it, but I guess I'll do it if I must. Any chance we can get a more detailed long term product schedule so I can cancel as early as possible and still have time to rejoin before missing something I actually want?
Riaghan of Kalsgard |
....if you're a PFRPG subscriber is to cancel your subscription prior to the release of the product, is that correct? ..... Any chance we can get a more detailed long term product schedule so I can cancel as early as possible and still have time to rejoin before missing something I actually want?
The best thing to do at this point is bookmark the subscription page and keep an eye out for it. As soon as you get Ultimate Combat, cancel your subscription. Then just check that page until Ultimate Diplomacy is announced (j/k), and click on the start subscription button starting with that product, rather than Beginner Box.
Dale McCoy Jr Jon Brazer Enterprises |
Paizo isn't publicly traded, it's a property of Lisa, Vic and a badger named Joe.
Not entirely true. We kicked Joe to the curb a little while ago, so it is just Vic and myself now.
-Lisa
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