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Scribbling Rambler wrote:
I doubt that Rae is likely to take over the Liberal leadership. His immediate discussion of coalition right after the election results p.o.ed a lot of the caucus. Also, the Libs have historically alternated between Francophone and Anglophone leaders. If only there were another Trudeau waiting in the wings.... ;)

I think if he has any sense he will wait one more leader cycle. He doesn't seem to have the same charisma that his father had so I don't think he can rebuild the Liberal party all on his own. Once the party has returned to relevance, maybe in 10 years, then he should run for the leadership. His dad was a cabinet minister before he ever became PM. And he's still young - 40. He's got plenty of time.

Scribbling Rambler wrote:
To me, the most interesting things to come out of this election are the election of a Green MP, and the obliteration of the Bloc. I believe that the Liberals will rebuild and come back, but I think Quebec has finally given up on the Bloc Quebecois, and that while parties may have regional strongholds, they will now be thinking nationally again.

As an anglophone living in Quebec, I certainly hope the Bloc is done. But I'll wait to see who they trot out as the new leader first. The NDP is having a rough start, especially with some of their new MPs. If "Vegas" forged signatures to get on the ballot, for example, the Bloc may have something to grasp onto when they attempt a "resurgence".

Greg

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GregH wrote:
Scribbling Rambler wrote:
If only there were another Trudeau waiting in the wings.... ;)

I think if he has any sense he will wait one more leader cycle. He doesn't seem to have the same charisma that his father had so I don't think he can rebuild the Liberal party all on his own. Once the party has returned to relevance, maybe in 10 years, then he should run for the leadership. His dad was a cabinet minister before he ever became PM. And he's still young - 40. He's got plenty of time.

I agree that waiting for another time would be ideal - but there may be a lot of wilderness between now & then.

If he's 40 now, then he would be 44 when the next election comes up (assuming the C's keep their promise of scheduled elections). Pierre first became PM at 49.

And while he may not yet have the charisma of his father, I don't know of anyone else in the Libs who does either. And I think that the last couple of leaders have shown how necessary it is to have someone at the top who can grab the imagination, at least a bit.


Scribbling Rambler wrote:
Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:

While I'm no Conservative fan this is not why the Conservatives have full war chests and the other parties do not. Individuals are capped at $5000 max donation and businesses are capped at a measly $1000. The Conservatives have full war chests because they have been better at getting to their grass root supporters and getting those grass roots to donate. The Conservatives are masters of getting their supporters to all chip in $20 or $50 bucks and doing that on a large enough scale to make it matter - this is a legacy of the Reform party which was nearly completely funded in this manner.

Yes, but I also think that more of the people who can afford to throw in that max $5000 are likely to be voting Conservative.

Possibly but the average Conservative contribution is around $100, its the fact that they can get 10,000s of these $100 dollar contributions that is the real strength of their parties funding machine. Its this area that the other parties need to improve on.


Scribbling Rambler wrote:
I don't think that a system which eliminated candidates in a "pre-election" would have the effect people here are hoping. For example, if a 3rd place Liberal candidate were eliminated, leaving only a Conservative and a New Democrat, I doubt that the New Democrat would grab most of the Liberal supporters. I think the actual result would be an even lower national voter turn-out.

It rather depends on the strength of ´anybody but Harper´ (or whoever leads Conservatives next election) sentiment, but almost certainly there wouldn´t be 100% vote ´conversion´... Then again, the Greens could also be included in any such arrangement.

I´m saying this anecdotally from my own not-so-rigorous perusal of the vote totals in different ridings, but I would say that the Liberals would almost certainly gain more seats than NDP in such a ´pre-election´ scenario (using the most recent election numbers), so if Liberals (party/supporters) have a problem with such a scheme it´s further evidence that their own prejudices prevent them from rationally pursuing power. Election/government alliances with the Conservatives actually probably make as much rational sense from the perspective of many Liberal LEADERS IMHO, but that´s probably off the cards because it would likely lead to a melt-down of their party vis-a-vis their base...

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