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Yea i wish there was an easier way if finding all the 'extra gods' of Golarion.Hmmm things like bladed scarf would be nice. Not necessarily 'optimal' just "hey" i get something different.Bladed Scarf is the favored weapon of Sivanah, who also has an amazing domain selection, and is true neutral.
With the exception of a few of the minor racial deities and some of the demon lords, they are ALL listed in chapter 3 of the Inner Sea World Guide. I'm not sure how to make it easier than that.
Sivanah, for example, is detailed on page 229–230 of that book. (She was in the previous hardcover too...)
Well this is a point i've made about the cleric weapons waaay back since beta.
No other class has "get this bonus when you choose this" and have it turn out not to be a bonus.
I guess it has been ignored for so long because most people just don't have a problem with it.
If a God was a monk, why not let the clerics that follow him select a monk weapon?
Because you don't get a list of possible favoured weapons. You get one favoured weapon.
And Irori probably considered weapons to be flawed. They couldn't compare to his unarmed attacks.
LG gods with their hammer and longswords and longbows are all fine, but if you don't want to play a paladin without paladin powers
There's more to LG than "paladins without paladin powers".
So justified or not, in whatever backstory got dreamed up and where ever the stuff is printed (or not) it doesn't give anything extra in a place where something is supposed to be extra.
Where does it say that there is supposed to be an extra? It's there so the cleric can use the weapon that has a special meaning to his church/deity, not to add to your attack power.
If there is a redundancy (dagger, mace) or a nearly useless weapon (whip) then there should be a little list of options (sickle, flail, etc etc)
Not really. Beyond the question whether whips are useless or not (matter of taste - and flavour is important in Pathfinder), the point is, again, to allow the cleric to use the weapon that fits his faith.
as to the comment "if you play in Golarion you have to worship a diety"
Here is a quote from the PRD:
With the GM's approval, an inquisitor can be devoted to an ideal instead of a deity, selecting one domain to represent her personal inclination and abilities. The restriction on alignment domains still applies.
Yeah. With the GM's approval.
And the PRD isn't Golarion material. PRD is PFRPG, which is not tied into the Pathfinder Campaign Setting.
The cleric of an ideal thing, for example, is in the PFRPG rules, but doesn't apply to the CS, since there, clerics must have a deity.
I'd put inquisitors into the same category.
Which brings up the question again, IF an Inquisitior is dedicated to an ideal, what do they get for a bonus weapon? Or do they just get skunked?
As I said, on Golarion, they probably don't even have that option.
Beyond that, it is, as you noted, up to the GM's discretion. It's a question concerning the campaign world. It's the GM's responsibility to make a ruling concerning godless priests and their favoured weapon choices.
In fact, I think that's a point you're overlooking: How do a God's Domains compare with their weapon selection? I bet a lot of Gods with poor weapon choices get awesome Domains.
Let's hope you haven't started another heated discussion here concerning "glaring injustices in the domain selection, or: Why am I forced into playing boring deities because they get the awesomest domains?" :D
As for the Neutral gods, the LN ones do indeed suck, which is sad
I couldn't disagree more!
Abadar is not only quite interesting, but also grants access to a very nice selection of domains (Protection and Travel are both very nice, and Nobility isn't to be sneezed at, either)
Irori, too, is an interesting deity.
Unlike lots of other LN deities I came across in several D&D worlds, I can see myself playing clerics and followers of these deities I'm playing a cleric of Abadar in our Crimson Throne campaign at the moment.
and the empyreal lords and other power outsiders....Yea i wish there was an easier way if finding all the 'extra gods' of Golarion.Hmmm things like bladed scarf would be nice. Not necessarily 'optimal' just "hey" i get something different.Bladed Scarf is the favored weapon of Sivanah, who also has an amazing domain selection, and is true neutral.
Yeah. If only they put all the gods somewhere into, I don't know, a book about the gods of Golarion. Man, a list of all the gods, including minor and racial gods would be great for the inside cover for one of those books.
And if they ever make a book about, I don't know, the whole campaign world, they should have a whole chapter just about religion. They could put in those other gods, as well as, and I'll just list things at random here, Archdevils, Demon Lords, Eldest (being lords of the First World), Elemental Lords, Empyreal Lords and, of course, the Horsemen.
A list of fallen, false and forgotten gods, followed by some of the major philosophies, followed by an overview of the cosmology of the setting would be a great conclusion to such a chapter.
But such a book will never exist, so we have to wait patiently until someone creates a website listing all sorts of information about that Golarion into something, oh, let's name our totally fictitious website the Golariopedia. Which would then be a bit like that Wikipedia the kid with the lemonade stand told me about.
Abadar is an interesting God because he demands payment for every service rendered, and gets cheesed off at PCs who give away their efforts for free, which can make being a Good aligned Priest of his order somewhat difficult if you're used to playing the mendicant when the party isn't adventuring. His weapon selection is already covered by the cleric's weapon proficiencies, and he seems to be the God of Trade and Civilisation. Kinda boring ....
Then you realise he's the God who basically is pushing for society to continue to advance, but he's got enough faith in his followers to give them the blueprints and the training and then stand back and let them build the 'ideal' society. Of course, other beliefs might find this abhorent, but then your faith is the one bringing civilisation and the benefits that it brings to the parts of the world still living in animal-worshipping Paganism. Scholars turn to your God as a bastion against the ignorance of the world's uneducated, Merchants cover the altars with Gold for your blessings and invoke your God's name with every transaction...
That's my take, at least.
Iori gives the Unarmed Strike as a weapon because he perfected himself to the level he actually became a damn GOD. His faith centers upon the perfection of the self, therefore focusing upon a weapon is a 'crutch' that can actually prevent you from reaching a truly enlightened state of being!
and the empyreal lords and other power outsiders....Yea i wish there was an easier way if finding all the 'extra gods' of Golarion.Hmmm things like bladed scarf would be nice. Not necessarily 'optimal' just "hey" i get something different.Bladed Scarf is the favored weapon of Sivanah, who also has an amazing domain selection, and is true neutral.
Yeah. If only they put all the gods somewhere into, I don't know, a book about the gods of Golarion. Man, a list of all the gods, including minor and racial gods would be great for the inside cover for one of those books.
And if they ever make a book about, I don't know, the whole campaign world, they should have a whole chapter just about religion. They could put in those other gods, as well as, and I'll just list things at random here, Archdevils, Demon Lords, Eldest (being lords of the First World), Elemental Lords, Empyreal Lords and, of course, the Horsemen.
A list of fallen, false and forgotten gods, followed by some of the major philosophies, followed by an overview of the cosmology of the setting would be a great conclusion to such a chapter.
But such a book will never exist, so we have to wait patiently until someone creates a website listing all sorts of information about that Golarion into something, oh, let's name our totally fictitious website the Golariopedia. Which would then be a bit like that Wikipedia the kid with the lemonade stand told me about.
i looked on galoriopedia, there was a mishmosh of devils and demons and gods kids etc etc that was a little too much (and a lot of repetition, not only on entries, but if there is already a god of strength with a war hammer and xyz domains, we dont need he three sons doing the same thing, as it offers no variety)
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i looked on galoriopedia, there was a mishmosh of devils and demons and gods kids etc etc that was a little too much (and a lot of repetition, not only on entries, but if there is already a god of strength with a war hammer and xyz domains, we dont need he three sons doing the same thing, as it offers no variety)
Actually... it does, when you stop to look up the different deitys' personalities and alignments.
The core 20 deities are probably enough for the majority of games set in Golarion. But there's more choices than that for those who want more variety. (Like I would like.)
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Pendagast,
I think the deity you'll want is Ragathiel, the Empyreal Lord of Vengeance, Chivalry, and Duty. Followers of Ragathiel receive the favored weapon of Bastard Sword, and can choose from the domains of Destruction, Good, Law, and Nobility. Ragathiel is in the Inner Sea World Guide, page 239.
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The way I see it, the Inquisitor is all about using his deity's favorite weapon as his "trademark". I wouldn't use anything else, at any rate - except the backup and ranged weapons, ofc.LOL pharasma who is dedicated to slaying undead, gets a dagger. you wouldnt use anything else huh?
By your logic, every deity should have falcata as favored weapon.
Here's a big hint: not everybody plays the game in the One True Way. Yeah, I know, it's somewhat hard to get that on the first try, but you're welcome.
Pendagast,
I think the deity you'll want is Ragathiel, the Empyreal Lord of Vengeance, Chivalry, and Duty. Followers of Ragathiel receive the favored weapon of Bastard Sword, and can choose from the domains of Destruction, Good, Law, and Nobility. Ragathiel is in the Inner Sea World Guide, page 239.
He's on golariopedia too, it's interesting, but seems very paladin like. Not getting the gist of it really, inquisitor-wise. Big sword is cool and useful, but more of the shining paragon type and less of a gloomy trenchcoat sleeps in dungeons and lurks graveyard type.
The way I see it, the Inquisitor is all about using his deity's favorite weapon as his "trademark". I wouldn't use anything else, at any rate - except the backup and ranged weapons, ofc.LOL pharasma who is dedicated to slaying undead, gets a dagger. you wouldnt use anything else huh?By your logic, every deity should have falcata as favored weapon.
Here's a big hint: not everybody plays the game in the One True Way. Yeah, I know, it's somewhat hard to get that on the first try, but you're welcome.
No the logic is diety X gives longsword, the equivalent of a feat, diety Y gives dagger, which the character already gets which is the equivalent of jip.
i looked on galoriopedia, there was a mishmosh of devils and demons and gods kids etc etc that was a little too much (and a lot of repetition, not only on entries, but if there is already a god of strength with a war hammer and xyz domains, we dont need he three sons doing the same thing, as it offers no variety)
Actually... it does, when you stop to look up the different deitys' personalities and alignments.
The core 20 deities are probably enough for the majority of games set in Golarion. But there's more choices than that for those who want more variety. (Like I would like.)
a Little excel spread sheet would be nice.
something like an extended version of whats in the core rule book but maybe a top 40 most used list.Im sure I could create it, given the time.
Things like the evil gods that have already been used in published works, coupled with evil ones whose flavor doesn't overlap something already published plus 4 or 5 of the more interesting good/neutral gods.
I'm sure there would be 40 easy.
Not sure Ill ever need 20 melbranche demi gods.... but the evil 4 goblin hero gods were intersting
He's on golariopedia too ...
As a quick aside, Golaropedia is essentially abandoned. Its admins and nearly all of its contributers moved the project's content to PathfinderWiki several months ago, and have continued their work at the new site.
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He's on golariopedia too, it's interesting, but seems very paladin like. Not getting the gist of it really, inquisitor-wise. Big sword is cool and useful, but more of the shining paragon type and less of a gloomy trenchcoat sleeps in dungeons and lurks graveyard type.
About Adabar and crossbows. Light crossbow IMO is the symbol of technology and development. It's a mechanic weapon, which clearly required invention and thinking to be made and it's not a heavy crossbow that already intrudes upon war god's domains or hand crossbow, which appoaches underhanded deals. It's also spread far and wide which symbolises the fruits of civilisation benefitting wide masses (it's also a simple weapon), quite unlike the more refined repeating weapons.
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Not to mention no mention of Cayden Cailean, who is a fun diety to run with, and has a very good weapon as well, in fact equally as good, if not better than the scimitar.
Cayden, given his granted domains, is awesome with any weapon, and, since he's a carefree drunkard, doesn't really give a damn what you're using anyway.
-- The annoyance with being chaotic-good in Pathfinder is that there isn't a single prestige-class worth a damn that's legal for Society play and is better than raw F/R/B or some multiclass combination.
Why, oh why no Chevalier?
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No the logic is diety X gives longsword, the equivalent of a feat, diety Y gives dagger, which the character already gets which is the equivalent of jip.
We don't design deities and favored weapons to be balanced in a number crunchy way. Favored weapons are 100% flavor for deities, and that DOES mean that for some of them, their clerics get a better "free feat."
If that really bothers you as a GM, just remove the bit that grants clerics proficiency in their deity's favored weapon.
Personally, I think that the fun and cool and interestingness of favored weapons and all that VASTLY outweighs any perceived imbalance between deities and their clerics.
Not everything in Pathfinder is balanced so that both sides of the equation equal zero. There are other games that attempt that, but that's not part of Pathfinder's design philosophy.
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a Little excel spread sheet would be nice.
something like an extended version of whats in the core rule book but maybe a top 40 most used list.
Im sure I could create it, given the time.Things like the evil gods that have already been used in published works, coupled with evil ones whose flavor doesn't overlap something already published plus 4 or 5 of the more interesting good/neutral gods.
I'm sure there would be 40 easy.
Not sure Ill ever need 20 melbranche demi gods.... but the evil 4 goblin hero gods were intersting
A little Excel spreadsheet sounds like a delightful project for someone out there in messageboard land. That's precisely the type of thing that our community use license wants to see happen.
And as for who needs what... I can certainly see a value for having a lot of maelbranche demigods. Could make a REALLY fun "politics of hell" adventure, for one. And for another, I'm of the opinion that you can NEVER have too many fiendish demigods. They are and have been my favorite part of the game from the start.
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(Ragathiel's) on golariopedia too, it's interesting, but seems very paladin like. Not getting the gist of it really, inquisitor-wise. Big sword is cool and useful, but more of the shining paragon type and less of a gloomy trenchcoat sleeps in dungeons and lurks graveyard type.
I don't know. Sure, he's a five-winged general of a bunch of heroes, but he's also the Angel of Vengeance, and his father is Dispater. I think there's enough space for an emo infiltrator in that backstory. ANYONE with a Luke-I-am-your-father backstory or who has been dragged through the mud at some point would really be welcome under Ragathiel.
After all, which deity did Van Helsing or Preacher venerate? Heck, Golarion has Iomedae's Low Templars, and they're worse.
PS: Just giving Ragathiel some more thought. He's known as a glorious angel general of heroes, but from the point of view of the other gods, he's really just an upstart punk with daddy issues. I mean, vengeance? Vengeance isn't LG, justice is. Yes, paladins destroy people who've been bad, but not to get back at them. Calistria's the main vengeance goddess.
So now I'm in total agreement that Ragathiel is a perfectly appropriate patron of going into the sewers, kicking evil's teeth in, making their toadies cry and blubber the truth, then going back to the shadows to sulk. Golarion needs a deity of shifty LG shadow operation, and Ragathiel is all over that. Heck, now I want to run a story arc describing the struggle between Asmodeus' right hand man and his rebel son.
And that's not a masterwork bastard sword. That's a katana.
(Ragathiel's) on golariopedia too, it's interesting, but seems very paladin like. Not getting the gist of it really, inquisitor-wise. Big sword is cool and useful, but more of the shining paragon type and less of a gloomy trenchcoat sleeps in dungeons and lurks graveyard type.I don't know. Sure, he's a five-winged general of a bunch of heroes, but he's also the Angel of Vengeance, and his father is Dispater. I think there's enough space for an emo infiltrator in that backstory. ANYONE with a Luke-I-am-your-father backstory or who has been dragged through the mud at some point would really be welcome under Ragathiel.
After all, which deity did Van Helsing or Preacher venerate? Heck, Golarion has Iomedae's Low Templars, and they're worse.
PS: Just giving Ragathiel some more thought. He's known as a glorious angel general of heroes, but from the point of view of the other gods, he's really just an upstart punk with daddy issues. I mean, vengeance? Vengeance isn't LG, justice is. Yes, paladins destroy people who've been bad, but not to get back at them. Calistria's the main vengeance goddess.
So now I'm in total agreement that Ragathiel is a perfectly appropriate patron of going into the sewers, kicking evil's teeth in, making their toadies cry and blubber the truth, then going back to the shadows to sulk. Golarion needs a deity of shifty LG shadow operation, and Ragathiel is all over that. Heck, now I want to run a story arc describing the struggle between Asmodeus' right hand man and his rebel son.
And that's not a masterwork bastard sword. That's a katana.
Hmm if you mention it that way, it kinda has a "spawn" feel to it....
He's on golariopedia too, it's interesting, but seems very paladin like. Not getting the gist of it really, inquisitor-wise. Big sword is cool and useful, but more of the shining paragon type and less of a gloomy trenchcoat sleeps in dungeons and lurks graveyard type.Pendagast,
I think the deity you'll want is Ragathiel, the Empyreal Lord of Vengeance, Chivalry, and Duty. Followers of Ragathiel receive the favored weapon of Bastard Sword, and can choose from the domains of Destruction, Good, Law, and Nobility. Ragathiel is in the Inner Sea World Guide, page 239.
I have an inquisitor of Ragathiel, a very minor lordling of Taldor totally fed up with the corruption, hypocrisy, and decadence of the established knighthood, who rob maidens of their virtue instead of protecting it, and spend their time getting drunk and lording about their latest conquest in the bedroom or in the jousting ring rather than doing what knights are supposed to be doing, which is protecting the common folk. So he's out there in the trenches protecting those folk while at the same time digging up dirt on the slacker, unchivalrous knights to bring them down in as public and humiliating ways as possible.
So am I getting the overall gist right?:
"I dislike my options, what options do I have?"
If so I'm not really sure anyone can really help you resolve your likes and dislikes Pendy ol boy. I dislike mushrooms in all their disgusting forms, so I can't really ask people to tell me how to enjoy mushrooms since they aren't me and don't have my taste-buds (or lack thereof maybe?).
I hope you find a way to enjoy the Inquisitor and the class options, or figure out something else to play.
Cheers
weapons aren't the whole class.
And several people have mentioned spending feats or cross classing, so there ARE options.
I have an Inquisitor of Shelyn that smites evil with his/her (no one's figured out it's gender) "mace".
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I couldn't disagree more!Abadar is not only quite interesting, but also grants access to a very nice selection of domains (Protection and Travel are both very nice, and Nobility isn't to be sneezed at, either)
Irori, too, is an interesting deity.
Unlike lots of other LN deities I came across in several D&D worlds, I can see myself playing clerics and followers of these deities I'm playing a cleric of Abadar in our Crimson Throne campaign at the moment.
I was actually explicitly and only referring to favored weapon choices. I quite like both Irori and (particularly) Abadar, myself. I just admit their Favored Weapons are bad. :)
I was actually explicitly and only referring to favored weapon choices. I quite like both Irori and (particularly) Abadar, myself. I just admit their Favored Weapons are bad. :)
I couldn't disagree more!Abadar is not only quite interesting, but also grants access to a very nice selection of domains (Protection and Travel are both very nice, and Nobility isn't to be sneezed at, either)
Irori, too, is an interesting deity.
Unlike lots of other LN deities I came across in several D&D worlds, I can see myself playing clerics and followers of these deities I'm playing a cleric of Abadar in our Crimson Throne campaign at the moment.
Well Abadar would be fine if his crossbow was at least repeating.
Well Abadar would be fine if his crossbow was at least repeating.I was actually explicitly and only referring to favored weapon choices. I quite like both Irori and (particularly) Abadar, myself. I just admit their Favored Weapons are bad. :)
I couldn't disagree more!Abadar is not only quite interesting, but also grants access to a very nice selection of domains (Protection and Travel are both very nice, and Nobility isn't to be sneezed at, either)
Irori, too, is an interesting deity.
Unlike lots of other LN deities I came across in several D&D worlds, I can see myself playing clerics and followers of these deities I'm playing a cleric of Abadar in our Crimson Throne campaign at the moment.
Abadar inquisitor = IRS auditor.
LG gods with their hammer and longswords and longbows are all fine, but if you don't want to play a paladin without paladin powers, you get skunked as you go down the alignment list. (with the exception of sarenrae as previously mentioned)
What does the bolded bit mean? Not all LG characters act like paladins. And you can be a NG or LN cleric of a LG god.
What does the bolded bit mean? Not all LG characters act like paladins. And you can be a NG or LN cleric of a LG god.
LG gods with their hammer and longswords and longbows are all fine, but if you don't want to play a paladin without paladin powers, you get skunked as you go down the alignment list. (with the exception of sarenrae as previously mentioned)
Heck not all LG paladins act alike.
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*Hammers nails into the planks holding the door shut* Wrap this up quick, the Paladins of Sune are getting antsy!
I played a paladin of Shelyn once, in CotCT. He started out as a thug and face extortionist who turned to Shelyn... but that ended up meaning that he was particularly vain and intimidating. He was always true to his word, but he tended to be a little creepily gleeful when punishing the wicked.
*Hammers nails into the planks holding the door shut* Wrap this up quick, the Paladins of Sune are getting antsy!
Heh, well Sune makes a lot of sense. As she is the god of marriage, yeah CG with domain over something that takes dedication, lifelong commitment and a whole set of rules ya should never break. So of all of CG gods she know the importance of vows and oaths and will make you fall.
Paladins are easier to play, more uni-dimensional, they stick the the exact teachings of the church/deity.
They get nearly every weapon and armor, so there is alot of variation with them.
Curious, wonder what a RP session would be like with an Inquisitor and Paladin of the same deity/church in the same party would be like?
Abadar is an interesting God because he demands payment for every service rendered, and gets cheesed off at PCs who give away their efforts for free, which can make being a Good aligned Priest of his order somewhat difficult if you're used to playing the mendicant when the party isn't adventuring.
I like the part where he isn't beating around the bush with the payment stuff.
Because all the churches do it. Spellcasting services cost money. The others just try to dress it up in niceties. They talk about contributions, offerings to show your sincerity of heart and commitment to their cause, blablablabla.
Abadar just goes right ahead and says you don't get something for nothing. Refreshing honesty.
In curse of the crimson throne, there is a good cleric of Abadar having the exact problem: He wants to help a sick girl, but the family's too poor to afford magical healing. He can't just cure her for free, but it eats him up inside, and he turns to the party to help.
Scholars turn to your God as a bastion against the ignorance of the world's uneducated, Merchants cover the altars with Gold for your blessings and invoke your God's name with every transaction...
He also provides an honest base for trade. Invoke the church of Abadar in trade deals, and you know that the other guy won't try anything funny if he likes his body unburned by divine wrath.
-- The annoyance with being chaotic-good in Pathfinder is that there isn't a single prestige-class worth a damn that's legal for Society play and is better than raw F/R/B or some multiclass combination.Why, oh why no Chevalier?
Prestige classes? They're not worth it, anyway.
Prestige classes? They're not worth it, anyway.
-- The annoyance with being chaotic-good in Pathfinder is that there isn't a single prestige-class worth a damn that's legal for Society play and is better than raw F/R/B or some multiclass combination.Why, oh why no Chevalier?
Not if you're only going 12 levels, anyway.
Not if you're only going 12 levels, anyway.Prestige classes? They're not worth it, anyway.
-- The annoyance with being chaotic-good in Pathfinder is that there isn't a single prestige-class worth a damn that's legal for Society play and is better than raw F/R/B or some multiclass combination.Why, oh why no Chevalier?
Or level 3. Or level 1204. Or any other.
We don't design deities and favored weapons to be balanced in a number crunchy way. Favored weapons are 100% flavor for deities, and that DOES mean that for some of them, their clerics get a better "free feat."
If that really bothers you as a GM, just remove the bit that grants clerics proficiency in their deity's favored weapon.
An alternate way to patch it as a house rule might be something like: if your class (cleric/inquisitor) already gives proficiency in your deity's favored weapon, you get weapon focus in that weapon as a bonus feat.
An alternate way to patch it as a house rule might be something like: if your class (cleric/inquisitor) already gives proficiency in your deity's favored weapon, you get weapon focus in that weapon as a bonus feat.We don't design deities and favored weapons to be balanced in a number crunchy way. Favored weapons are 100% flavor for deities, and that DOES mean that for some of them, their clerics get a better "free feat."
If that really bothers you as a GM, just remove the bit that grants clerics proficiency in their deity's favored weapon.
yea, that's not a bad consolation prize. I always kinda felt that way with racial weapons as well (like and elf, dwarf or half-orc that takes levels in a full bab class, they should get something for the extra training)
Curious, wonder what a RP session would be like with an Inquisitor and Paladin of the same deity/church in the same party would be like?
See for yourself. Rendel is the inquisitor and Creel is the paladin. Makes for some rather tense moments.
See for yourself. Rendel is the inquisitor and Creel is the paladin. Makes for some rather tense moments.
Curious, wonder what a RP session would be like with an Inquisitor and Paladin of the same deity/church in the same party would be like?
ACK! I must apologize to anyone who clicked on the link. It's to a Carrion Crown game though we havent gotten very far so a bit of a spoiler alert.
This is hilarious. The things people complain. Boring weapons? What is a boring weapon - other than a tulip or a spoon, obviously - though that's the first time I heard about those. Except the spoon, obviously. I'm sad that no deities have that. Zon-Kuthon should get it in addition to the chain. It's for carving hearts out.
"I'm going to carve your heart out with a spoon!"
"But cousin, why a spoon?"
"Because it'll hurt more, you idiot!"
Classic
Sorry - wasn't paying attention to the date of the thread, but I couldn't resist the comment...
Only to find out I was ninja'd a couple posts further down. D'oh!
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There are no lame gods, only players who can't twist their imaginations around a concept.Now that's a statement worth quoting.
Hephaestus
Actually Pen, if you're still looking for gods for an inquisitor, check out the new chronicle of the righteous. Lots of new Empyreal Lords in there, might have something you like.
Ahh, thar' be necromancy here.
Anyways, Yeah, I'm not a fan of the deities favored weapon + simple gig for martial characters. I house rule otherwise. Regardless of how many choices you have, I hate how many options they take away. If you open up all martial weapons, then the player will always have the option to take the favored weapon if that's what he really wants, but doesn't feel bad if his gods favored weapon is a toothpick and he's a 2handed martial.
A cleric of an ideal, maybe, but an inquisitor of an ideal doesn't make any sense to me. I suppose I'd have to hear your reasoning for it to agree with you on that.
In a world filled with wonder, one hard boiled cop has lost faith everyone on this side and the next. He can only continue to believe in the justice he serves. But can he keep to his morals when his loved ones are at risk?
Coming this summer, Liam Neesan is....Looking for His Family (and maybe knife punching some wolves).
How is that for an inquisitor of ideals? Really though, I kind of like the idea of inquisitors as police officers. Many of their abilities seem to tend towards information gathering (sometimes in medieval fashion). Maybe have inquisitors devoted to the ideals of an nonreligious organization. With all various cults and very eager, if good intentioned, parties that want to eliminate said cults, I am sure there would be room for it in some nations.
Now granted, I come at this from my own homebrew, so it doesn't help Pendagast's issues, but, I thought I'd comment and put in my own favored weapon/deity combos.
I agree that in general, most gods in D&D have had either hard to justify favored weapons (healers with polearms) or else just boring ones with no backstory (Mace, just Mace).
Now, it sounds like the PF deity healer with a glaive has a backstory for it, so that's cool. I tried to be a bit less pedestrian or give backstories for the weapons.
Well, let's see for the Golarion dieties:
Erastil: Longbow - God of Hunting (among other things)
Iomedae: Longsword - Actually used as a mortal.
Torag: Warhammamer - Forge God (among other things)Sarenrae: Scimitar - Presumably used when she was an angel, culturally appropriate.
Shelyn: Glaive - Carries her brother's cursed weapon out of a pure love and devotion for him. Yeah, this one's real good.Cayden Cailean: Rapier - Actually used as a mortal.
Desna: Starknife - Goddess of the stars, among other things.Abadar: Light Crossbow - No real explanation, though as a god of trade and other non-warlike pursuits it makes some sense.
Irori: Unarmed Strike - Was a Monk as a mortal.Gozreh: Trident - God of the Sea (among other things)
Nethys: Quarterstaff - Was a Wizard as a mortal.
Pharasma: Dagger - No explanation.Calistria: Whip - Godess of lust and retribution. Yeah, that works.
Gorum: Greatsword - God of War, and specifically metal weapons.Asmodeus: Mace - Symbolizes a scepter, given his self-proclaimed Kingship of everything (Not sure where I read this, but sounds right)
Zon-Kuthon: Spiked Chain - Basically possessed by a Cenobite. This makes sense.Norgorber: Short Sword - Probably a Rogue as a mortal.
Urgathoa: Scythe - Goddess of Undeath. Not sure why her and not Pharasma, but does make sense.Lamashtu: Falchion - Her actual favored weapon, personally. Symbolizes a fang (fitting her associations with animals and monsters).
Rovagug:...
I always thought is was because she's was a midwife as well as a "reaper" so the dagger was representative of a tool that could help bring life into the world, namely cutting the embilical cord, as well as take it out, with the murdering and such.
Oh, and while in the topic of Pharasma, RISE, thread! Your necroverlord commands it!