Would anyone be interested in giving an opinion on my 'Denizen of Leng' conversion?
Nice! Looks pretty solid at first glance. I'll comb through it a bit more tonight. =)
Any chance anyone is still doing this stuff?
Sorry, I got beat to death at work this past month and have been trying to recover from my wounds. This is stalled, but not forgotten and I will begin anew very soon.
well, I wish you luck dude.
I'll prob post an update from play testing tonight or tomorrow. =)
I'll prob post an update from play testing tonight or tomorrow. =)
*girly squeal* *cough* I mean yeah awesome *manly sounding voice*
i cant wait, after getting fired i could use a pick me up.
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I have a player interested in being a Werewolf. The Natural Werewolf template in your Monster Levels book seems to balance them out nicely. I have a few questions though:
1. I'm assuming a level 1 Werewolf using this template would have no weapon/armor proficiency (besides their bite attack) unless you choose one with your available feat?
2. Can you choose level 1 Werewolf, then at level 2 choose a regular class like Fighter, then at levels 3-5 finish up your Werewolf levels? That way, you would get the weapon/armor proficiencies at level 2 from your chosen class.
3. Where it discusses equipment melding, do I have this correct?
- Your weapons and armor remain the same in Hybrid form since you are relatively the same size.
- Your weapons and armor meld in animal form, meaning they essentially disappear while in that form and you lose the bonuses.Thanks so much for this Savage Species conversion and for any help clarifying these questions.
If you've got a player that's wanting to play a werewolf, I'd honestly suggest showing them the Wolf Shifter in the free magazine Wayfinder 5. After that, show them the monster levels.
1) A template only makes a creature proficient in the natural weapons it gives the character, nothing else.
2) Normally, no. You're actually supposed to take all of the levels of the creature first, but that can easily be houseruled by the GM.
3) You do have that correct. It's just as a druid's wild shape ability.
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Just saw this.
I've been running a Kingmaker campaign where all the PC are monsters - 2 Silver Dragon Wyrmlings, 1 Blodeuwyd and 1 1/2 Celestial Sylph.I used the CR - ECL to do the conversions. So for example a Silver Dragon Wyrmling is 7hd but I spread it over 6 levels, so one of the levels got 2HD. The same with the Blodeuwyd.
That's cool. Personally, I've been using the Advanced Racial Guide, as well as Dragon Magazine (they did the dragons) and 3.5 Savage Species to do most of the monster races. Then I saw this. I still take from this, but I do my own as well. Gives my players options.
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I am curious as to how I may do the conversions myself from 3.5 Savage Species to the pathfinder rules. Does anyone have a particular guide as to doing that? Thanks!
Kind of. So long as you can understand it. Personally I'm bad with math so I'm of no help, but I can give you the six links, and the example of the Chain Devil that they use for it, and the other monsters that are built using that same system. The premise is that they take the basic HD of the creature for the first four links, and then make a paragon version of it for the last two.
Savage Progression With Chain Devil I
Savage Progression With Chain Devil II
Savage Progression With Chain Devil III
Savage Progression With Chain Devil VI
Savage Progression With Chain Devil V
Savage Progression With Chain Devil VI
There are others, but this is good enough.
Hey guys, sorry its been so long. Been playing with my band so I haven't had much time these days. I'm back in action. I'll work on the torture devil (do you have a good pic of one?)
and the Ettercap...
So in converting the monsters, there's no real 'guide' to it. What I do it to try to emulate the Savage Species builds as close as possible with abilities being set at the level appropriate stages as I can. I break them down as per Pathfinder Core Rule book to the CR = level, but I found that they were too powerful without a level adjustment, so I spaced them out to fit into hit dice progression and that seemed to fix most problems (although some races ..ie pixie/brownies and such still seem to give too much per levels). The main goal of each of my break downs is that by the end of their level progression they equal the original creature. In the Ettercaps progression I broke it down to 4 levels = 4HD. This would put it at a significantly less expensive build then the Savage Species price of 9 levels (but more expensive than the Bestiary's recommended break down of 3 levels = 3CR).
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Hey guys, sorry its been so long. Been playing with my band so I haven't had much time these days. I'm back in action. I'll work on the torture devil (do you have a good pic of one?)
Don't have a great picture, no, but I'll send a screenshot of what I have. The book's completely black and white so this is the best I can find.
So this would be my version of the Ettercap by levels. Some might say its too powerful for 4th level, but this vs. a 4th level fighter (which I use as most of my gold standard) the fighter takes him out pretty easy. Plus with the hiderances your Ettercap would get..ie walking through a town without getting slaughtered, finding armor, magic items to fit and such - I think its an ok trade off.
super good to see you back zerzix
Thanks Toaster! I'll be putting in ettercap and torture devil into latest update in a bit. If anyone finds a great pic of a torture devil or something that could pass for one let me know. kevin, that one you posted looks like its the guy from Road Warrior. lol
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Here is my mock up of it...just grabbed first devilish metal torture type pic I could find - female of the devil species
Here is my mock up of it...just grabbed first devilish metal torture type pic I could find - female of the devil species
thats a spiker from manual of planes...so...half-dragon next?
edit: double checked it was actually from the planar handbook, still kinda proud I remembered that though.
This is an awesome thread. Zerzix ... incredible work.
If you're still taking requests, the couatl needs attention, because my bard is almost 7th level and really needs a magic flying snake cohort.
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Here is my mock up of it...just grabbed first devilish metal torture type pic I could find - female of the devil species
Not bad. It's TortureR devil, though. I hadn't thought of the spikes being part of the skin, but that works. Couple of extra commas that you'll need to edit out when you do the good copy, and I'm surprised that you had the DR scale like that. Also, the poison, acid, and fire I didn't expect the creature to be immune at 1st level. And I didn't realize it until after you wrote it up, but it doesn't have SR. I can't believe that. Never thought I'd see that day, honestly.
Overall, this is solid work.
EDIT: Not sure if you missed it or not, but it says "A torturer devil’s innate knowledge of interrogation tactics and physical pain gives it a +4 racial bonus on Gather Information and Heal checks. It also has a +8 racial bonus on Intimidate and Sense Motive checks."
That'd give the creature an additional +4 Intimidate and Sense Motive, and give it +4 Heal. I guess it could added on later as "Skilled" for another level bonus so it's not so much at the very beginning.
Have you done a Vampire yet? It would have 5 hit dice for an "adult" vampire.
Oh, that is good news. The sample that I saw was from the first page, and it only goes to Treant. I did not see a more recent sample link when I skimmed other pages.
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Oh, that is good news. The sample that I saw was from the first page, and it only goes to Treant. I did not see a more recent sample link when I skimmed other pages.
Yeah, you're looking for sample version 15 (previous page, about 3-4 posts down). I think 13 has it as well. We should hopefully be seeing version 16 soon.
That's for the edit work kevin! I wasn't sure how I wanted to approach tortures DR since they wear so much armor to skin - I figured that was an easy way to simulate that aspect of them. Feel free to change it to DR1 at a level, DR3 a few later to fit with the scheme of other Savage Species write ups.
So far, Im working on finishing:
torture devils,
half-dragons,
erinyes,
couatl,
Cornugon/Horned Devil,
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That's for the edit work kevin! I wasn't sure how I wanted to approach tortures DR since they wear so much armor to skin - I figured that was an easy way to simulate that aspect of them. Feel free to change it to DR1 at a level, DR3 a few later to fit with the scheme of other Savage Species write ups.
I've been reading up on a lot of the devil handbooks lately, and there's actually feats tieflings can take to become more devilish or demonic. One's a series of DR feats. It starts off at 2, then goes to 5 and increases by 5 every time after that to 20. I'd probably go that route.
That's for the edit work kevin! I wasn't sure how I wanted to approach tortures DR since they wear so much armor to skin - I figured that was an easy way to simulate that aspect of them. Feel free to change it to DR1 at a level, DR3 a few later to fit with the scheme of other Savage Species write ups.
So far, Im working on finishing:
torture devils,
half-dragons,
erinyes,
couatl,
Cornugon/Horned Devil,
you are going to make a player of mine sooooooo happy.
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Warning on the whole half-dragon template, zerzix. They only ever have 1d6 damage for a breath weapon. PF changed it so that it only scales with racial HD, not class HD. However, enough people screamed bloody murder at Paizo that they made a feat that got around that.
"Correct; a half-dragon with no racial HD would have a breath weapon that deals 1d6 points of damage. Not an awful lot, but this was a purposeful design choice because the flavor of a humanoid half-dragon isn't one that we at Paizo particularly like, and it's one that a LOT of our customers have expressed exasperation with. Primarily because back in the 3.5 days, half-dragon was probably THE most overused template of them all. We (Paizo and our readers) mostly got sick of them, causing the half-dragon to go on the LIST for the last 50 or so print issues of Dungeon. That meant that if someone put a half-dragon into an adventure, they had to have a GREAT reason and GREAT background for that half-dragon.Half-dragons in Pathfinder are intended to skew toward monsters. Things like the dracolisk would be a perfect example, but other creatures with racial HD work well, particularly animals, vermin, magical beasts, and aberrations.
Now... I do understand that dragonpeople are a popular choice for players as PC races. And even though a half-dragon PC or NPC would have a pretty weenie breath weapon, his ability score increases and defense alone should MORE than make up for that fact.
I could certainly see a feat like the following existing though:
Improved Breath Weapon
Your breath weapon gains power as you gain class levels.
Prerequisite: Half-dragon with 0 racial HD, Ability Focus (breath weapon)
Benefit: Your breath weapon now deals 1d6 points of damage per character level (Reflex half; DC 10 + 1/2 your character level + you Con modifier). You can use your breath weapon a number of times per day equal to your Constitution modifier (minimum of 1/day), but must wait 1d4 rounds between each use."
The other gem dragons would be nice too.
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If anyone's interested, someone did a homebrew of variant 3.5 half-dragons that they could use and adapt to PF.
Thanks kevin, was reading that, but since the 1/2 dragon template was CR3 I went ahead and broke it to 3 levels , so it is atleast 3d6 damage, lol then with the improved feat it can improve.
Here's to Toaster! For all your support.
Looks good, if strong for three class levels.
Thanks kevin, was reading that, but since the 1/2 dragon template was CR3 I went ahead and broke it to 3 levels , so it is atleast 3d6 damage, lol then with the improved feat it can improve.
Here's to Toaster! For all your support.
thank you, both me and my buddy appreciate your excellent work.
Looks good, if strong for three class levels.
Yeah, was thinking the same thing...might extend it to 4 levels, might not
Four sounds about right.
Have you done Half-Fiend/Celestial yet? I love the 'half' templates.
Admittedly templates are more fun since you can make interesting race combos. My personal favorite was always the half-illithid.
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I like the class levels for monsters idea. It lets you play the monster and is still fair in comparison to those that want to be "normal" races.
Thanks for the write-ups. I am going to have to import the vampire as a class for Hero Lab; that is something that needs to be done for all of the races eventually.
I like the class levels for monsters idea. It lets you play the monster and is still fair in comparison to those that want to be "normal" races.
Thanks for the write-ups. I am going to have to import the vampire as a class for Hero Lab; that is something that needs to be done for all of the races eventually.
HolY MOLY! That would be cool. I've always wanted them on Hero Lab, but don't know enough of Hero Labs coding to do it. If you ever need any help on grunt work let me know
I'd leave it. It looks strong, but the 3.5 LA was only +3. Giving it more levels might be a bit much.Looks good, if strong for three class levels.Yeah, was thinking the same thing...might extend it to 4 levels, might not
agreed, a level adjustment by any other name...