Grapple and wild shape

[MoFiddy]

I building a Lion Shaman druid, so I want to make sure that I understand how Wild Shape works with grappling.

Suppose I am a 6th level wild shaped into a Dire Lion. I have Improved Grapple as one of my feats.

If I grapple someone successfully on round 1, then can I damage and rake them in round 1 as part of the grapple? Or does that start in round 2 (assuming a successful grapple check)?

If I make a successful grapple check, then the damage that I inflict is one of my natural attacks and also 2 rake attacks. So in the form of a Dire Lion the damage is 1d8 + x for a bite and 2 rake attacks for another potential 1d6 + x. Is that correct?

Now suppose I take Greater Grapple as a feat. I can make a grapple check as a move action, so now I can damage my opponent with two natural attacks and also make two rake attacks. I also get two chances to maintain my grapple and I only need to succeed at one. Sounds pretty nasty...especially against a caster.

Does it sound like I have it down? Please correct me if I have stated anything incorrectly.

Edit: I was reading some older threads on druids and wild shape and various people implied that you could get 5 attacks when grappling as a lion? Is that true? How does that happen?

[Volaran]

The PRD wrote:

Rake (Ex) A creature with this special attack gains extra natural attacks under certain conditions, typically when it grapples its foe. In addition to the options available to all grapplers, a monster with the rake ability gains two free claw attacks that it can use only against a grappled foe. The bonus and damage caused by these attacks is included in the creature's description. A monster with the rake ability must begin its turn already grappling to use its rake—it can't begin a grapple and rake in the same turn.

If you initiate the grapple in round 1, you don't get to rake as part of the your check to make the initial grapple.

In addition, I would note that Greater Grapple does not allow you to make any grapple check as a move action. It allows you to maintain a grapple as a move action. Initiating a grapple is still a standard action.

[MoFiddy]

Volaran wrote:

The PRD wrote:

Rake (Ex) A creature with this special attack gains extra natural attacks under certain conditions, typically when it grapples its foe. In addition to the options available to all grapplers, a monster with the rake ability gains two free claw attacks that it can use only against a grappled foe. The bonus and damage caused by these attacks is included in the creature's description. A monster with the rake ability must begin its turn already grappling to use its rake—it can't begin a grapple and rake in the same turn.

If you initiate the grapple in round 1, you don't get to rake as part of the your check to make the initial grapple.

In addition, I would note that Greater Grapple does not allow you to make any grapple check as a move action. It allows you to maintain a grapple as a move action. Initiating a grapple is still a standard action.

Ahhh...Ok. Thanks for pointing that out.