Question on Toughness feat


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So im rather confused on the effects of the feat toughness and how much of a health bonus it actually applies to a PC?

The Feat reads "You have enhanced physical stamina.

Benefit: You gain +3 hit points. For every Hit Die you possess beyond 3, you gain an additional +1 hit point. If you have more than 3 Hit Dice, you gain +1 hit points whenever you gain a Hit Die (such as when you gain a level)."

So does this mean if im playing a 2nd level human Barbarian who has a HD of 1D12 I roll that and say i get an 8.

Does that mean i get 8(dice roll) + 3(Feats first effect) + 1?

This has been bugging me alot so any help would be deeply appreciated


Hit Die means level (for about 95% of the times) when talking about PCs.


leo1925 wrote:
Hit Die means level (for about 95% of the times) when talking about PCs.

So does that mean then i wouldnt receive the bonus +1 untill atleast 3rd level?


Adam Fulton wrote:
So does that mean then i wouldnt receive the bonus +1 untill atleast 3rd level?

It says "beyond 3", so you will receive the additional +1 for your 4th level and every level after that. For your first 3 levels, you only get the original 3.


Adam Fulton wrote:
leo1925 wrote:
Hit Die means level (for about 95% of the times) when talking about PCs.
So does that mean then i wouldnt receive the bonus +1 untill atleast 3rd level?

It is designed to give a greater benefit at 1st and 2nd level and will eventually be treated as +1 HP per Hit Dice.

Using your example your barbarian would add +3 to his/her hit points until 3rd level then 1 HP per level beyond that.


Adam Fulton wrote:
leo1925 wrote:
Hit Die means level (for about 95% of the times) when talking about PCs.
So does that mean then i wouldnt receive the bonus +1 untill atleast 3rd level?

4th, actually.

The best way to read Toughness is "You gain +1 Hit Point per level (minimum 3)."


Patryn of Elvenshae wrote:
The best way to read Toughness is "You gain +1 Hit Point per level (minimum 3)."

+1 ;)

If you take Toughness at 1st-level, you gain 3 hit points. You don't get anymore hit points from this feat at 2nd or 3rd, but at 4th-level, you gain 1 more hit point. At 5th-level, you gain 1 more hit point, and so on... 1 hp per level.

Your 2nd-level Barbarian will gain 3 hp. At 4th-level, he will gain 1 more hit point, and 1 more hit point at 5th-level, and so on...


Here it is. If you take the feat at any level other then 1st, then ignore the lower levels and just add the amount in the total section.

Level 1 = +3 HP (Total of 3 HP)
Level 2 = +0 HP (Total of 3 HP)
Level 3 = +0 HP (Total of 3 HP)
Level 4 = +1 HP (Total 4 HP)
Level 5 = +1 HP (Total 5 HP)
Level 6 = +1 HP (Total 6 HP)
Level 7 = +1 HP (Total 7 HP)
Level 8 = +1 HP (Total 8 HP)
Level 9 = +1 HP (Total 9 HP)
etc...
Level 20 - +1 HP (Total 20 HP)

Hope that helps.


In 3.5 there used to be these two feats, Toughness and Improved Toughness, if I recall correctly.

Toughness gave you +3 hit points. That was it.

Improved Toughness gave you bonus hit points equal to your level. So for a couple levels, it was subpar; but it was the winning long-term strategy.

Rather than having one feat be a good initial choice and a terrible long-term choice, and another feat being a good long-term choice but not great right off, Pathfinder just combined the better parts of either feat.

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