You ever step on wet foliage before, like after a rainstorm? It's very, very slippery. I imagine grease, which evidently creates something akin to melted butter, would be a far stronger lubricant than water.
Logic and raw say the same thing, that it works. A slick forest floor is probably harder to stand on then a stone floor. More things to skid out from under you and more ways to trip. Go for a run in the woods after a rainstorm and then see if the forest floor helps your footing any.
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I have a player that is interested in the the grease spell in a Kingmaker campaign.
Would casting grease on a forest floor have the same effect as a stone or tile floor? Logic says no but the Raw seems to say yes.
Oh, yes. I went hiking after it had been raining for about 2 weeks. It was muddy as heck and I was slipping all over the place. If there was some sort of magical lubricant on the trail, I'm sure i'd've been knocked prone a few times.
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Oh, yes. I went hiking after it had been raining for about 2 weeks. It was muddy as heck and I was slipping all over the place. If there was some sort of magical lubricant on the trail, I'm sure i'd've been knocked prone a few times.I have a player that is interested in the the grease spell in a Kingmaker campaign.
Would casting grease on a forest floor have the same effect as a stone or tile floor? Logic says no but the Raw seems to say yes.
Speaking of going prone, does falling down make you go flat-footed?
Speaking of going prone, does falling down make you go flat-footed?
No, the prone condition does not mean being flat-footed. Melee attackers will get a +4 to hit a prone opponent though.
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No, the prone condition does not mean being flat-footed. Melee attackers will get a +4 to hit a prone opponent though.
Speaking of going prone, does falling down make you go flat-footed?
I didn't think so. I think the idea is to cast grease to make them Flat-footed and have the rogue get sneak attack. That sounds like something they may try but did not think the rules allowed.
Thanks for the replies.
Go cut dewy grass first thing in the morning on a steep incline.
That'll answer your question about slipperiness, and might not cost you any toes in the process.
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Go cut dewy grass first thing in the morning on a steep incline.
That'll answer your question about slipperiness, and might not cost you any toes in the process.
I still think it would be easier to walk over a greased forest trail (I didn't say easy, just easier) than a greased tile floor. Most forests I have been in had dirt and decayed leaves, not grass.
I didn't think so. I think the idea is to cast grease to make them Flat-footed and have the rogue get sneak attack. That sounds like something they may try but did not think the rules allowed.
If a creature walks within or through the area of a grease spell, they must make an acrobatics check. When making such an acrobatic check, you lose your dexterity bonus to AC and are considered flat-footed. If they don't move they are not considered flat-footed and retain their dexterity bonus to AC.
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I still think it would be easier to walk over a greased forest trail (I didn't say easy, just easier) than a greased tile floor. Most forests I have been in had dirt and decayed leaves, not grass.
Go cut dewy grass first thing in the morning on a steep incline.
That'll answer your question about slipperiness, and might not cost you any toes in the process.
I think you are as equally likely to slip on either. I took a several very bad falls on a 4 mile hike through a wet forest last October. The fallen leaves decay into a layered mass of pretty slippery mud. So, when I slipped on the leaves, the top layer just shifted away underfoot and and I ended up on a second layer of leaves, so I was still slipping. (Even my dogs slipped a couple times each in that mess.)
If I had falled like that on a tile floor, my injuries might have been a little more severe (i.e., I might have broken my elbow rather than just badly bruised/sprained it)...layered leaves and mud are much softer than tile.
If I had to walk across a greased tile, I think it would be possible to "skate" across much easier than trying to move around obstacles on a forest floor.
No, the prone condition does not mean being flat-footed. Melee attackers will get a +4 to hit a prone opponent though.
Speaking of going prone, does falling down make you go flat-footed?
Attackers do not get +4 to hit prone opponents. Rather, Prone creatures suffer a -4 penalty to attack and AC.
I know that sounds like the same thing, but when you aren't consistent about where you apply circumstance modifiers, you get into situations where a player becomes Prone and mentally penalizes his AC by 4, and a DM simultaneously adds 4 to his attacks.
Alternatively, both people may assume that the other person is doing it, and the condition actually isn't being counted by anybody.
Logic and raw say the same thing, that it works. A slick forest floor is probably harder to stand on then a stone floor. More things to skid out from under you and more ways to trip. Go for a run in the woods after a rainstorm and then see if the forest floor helps your footing any.
When was the last time you went for a run, in the woods, after a rain or otherwise? =P
I do not understand why people say that the grease spell make the ones who walk by flatfooted. The spell description says nothing. It's because walking in a uneven surface using Acrobatics make you flatfooted (as the skill description)?
it used to be if you did not have 5 ranks I'n balance if you had to use the skill you were flat footed. I was under the impression that was gone.
In PF when using Acrobatics in the "balance" way you are considered flat-footed. No rank restrictions.