The "Adopted" Trait - Quick Question


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So the adopted trait reads as thus (from the SRD)

"You were adopted and raised by someone not of your actual race, and raised in a society not your own.
Benefit: Select a race trait from your adoptive parents’ race"

So does that mean that I get a trait from my adopted parent AND another trait?

Or just 1 trait in addition to the adopted trait?

IE

Adopted Trait
Other Race Trait
2nd Trait

OR

Adopted Trait
Other Race Trait


Not A, B

Shadow Lodge

Stomphoof wrote:

So the adopted trait reads as thus (from the SRD)

"You were adopted and raised by someone not of your actual race, and raised in a society not your own.
Benefit: Select a race trait from your adoptive parents’ race"

So does that mean that I get a trait from my adopted parent AND another trait?

Or just 1 trait in addition to the adopted trait?

IE

Adopted Trait
Other Race Trait
2nd Trait

OR

Adopted Trait
Other Race Trait

The former is right. Your traits would come out looking like:

1st: Adopted - Race Trait.
2nd: Non-Social Trait.


Oh I see what you're saying, I thought you were asking something else. Right, the Adopted trait is kind of synonimous with 'really, any race can take any races' race trait', it doesn't cost 2 traits.

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jlighter wrote:


The former is right. Your traits would come out looking like:

1st: Adopted - Race Trait.
2nd: Non-Social Trait.

This is correct. The trait doesn't simply say you may take a trait. The benefit is that you get a trait.

Dark Archive

+1

The adopted trait gives you the ability to gain ANOTHER trait from a specific race tied to your adoptive parents. You still gain your other trait as normal.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

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Correct: taking the "Adopted" trait gives you a 3rd trait, as long as that 3rd trait is a race trait of a race other than your actual race.

Why'd we do it this way, rather than say "you can pick ANY race trait?" Because traits are supposed to tie in to and define your character's background, and by setting "Adopted" up as a social trait that anyone can take, it drives home the fact that you're adopted without any question or doubt.


James Jacobs wrote:

Correct: taking the "Adopted" trait gives you a 3rd trait, as long as that 3rd trait is a race trait of a race other than your actual race.

Why'd we do it this way, rather than say "you can pick ANY race trait?" Because traits are supposed to tie in to and define your character's background, and by setting "Adopted" up as a social trait that anyone can take, it drives home the fact that you're adopted without any question or doubt.

Thanks for clearing it up folks.

Got all that sorted out for my Half Orc who was adopted by Humans, and then took a Campaign trait for my "second" trait.

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James Jacobs wrote:

Correct: taking the "Adopted" trait gives you a 3rd trait, as long as that 3rd trait is a race trait of a race other than your actual race.

Why'd we do it this way, rather than say "you can pick ANY race trait?" Because traits are supposed to tie in to and define your character's background, and by setting "Adopted" up as a social trait that anyone can take, it drives home the fact that you're adopted without any question or doubt.

I'm so glad to see this answered. Its how I did it, but I always had this nagging feeling that I wasn't doing it right, that I had misinterpreted the RAW and RAI of it.


Stomphoof wrote:

So the adopted trait reads as thus (from the SRD)

"You were adopted and raised by someone not of your actual race, and raised in a society not your own.
Benefit: Select a race trait from your adoptive parents’ race"

So does that mean that I get a trait from my adopted parent AND another trait?

Or just 1 trait in addition to the adopted trait?

IE

Adopted Trait
Other Race Trait
2nd Trait

OR

Adopted Trait
Other Race Trait

now if you wanna lol, you can take the extra feat from the human race, and take the feat that gives you 2 extra traits. yeah its bad, nobody would accept it, but its still working


Pathfinder Maps, Pawns Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON!?

I've seen like 5 questions get officially answered today. Questions which I asked AGES AGO and didn't get ANY answers for, much less official ones!

?!

(Still glad to see it got answered though.)

Shadow Lodge

James Jacobs wrote:

Correct: taking the "Adopted" trait gives you a 3rd trait, as long as that 3rd trait is a race trait of a race other than your actual race.

Why'd we do it this way, rather than say "you can pick ANY race trait?" Because traits are supposed to tie in to and define your character's background, and by setting "Adopted" up as a social trait that anyone can take, it drives home the fact that you're adopted without any question or doubt.

Also, since you can only take one trait from each category it puts some limits on what traits your character can take for that final trait. So you can't be Adopted and take the Bully or Rich Parents traits.

It's not a huge limitation but I've bumped into it

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Foxdie13 wrote:
now if you wanna lol, you can take the extra feat from the human race, and take the feat that gives you 2 extra traits. yeah its bad, nobody would accept it, but its still working

Nope.

You are mixing up race traits and racial traits.

Race Traits are the Traits in the various Companions, the APG, the Trait Guide... That is what you can take with Adopted.

Racial traits are things like darkvision, racial hatred, stonecunning, and the human extra feat. They cannot be taken with Adopted.

This has been addressed a few times on the boards, but is a common misunderstanding due to an unfortunate duplication of terms.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

Another way of saying that is, you can be raised by another race to think and act like they do, but that does not make you one of that race. A human will not suddenly gain dark vision by being raised by a race with dark vision, anymore than them growing another pair of arms or legs. Biology and sociology are 2 very different things.


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4 years. 4 years. I hope they've come to some sort of conclusion by now.


Chess Pwn wrote:
4 years. 4 years. I hope they've come to some sort of conclusion by now.

He he it is necro Day it seems:)

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Just to clarify, because of Ultimate Campaign not dividing the race trait into basic catigories, one is able to take any of the race traits that Adopted would open up for them. This would include those that were previously doubled up race trait and social. The newer source removed the double dip.


My thing is that I'm taking a racial trait from the alternate racial list but also wanting adopted, which also gives me a racial trait... Is that legal for pfs?


nope. That'd be two racial traits.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
fiirewalkwithme wrote:
My thing is that I'm taking a racial trait from the alternate racial list but also wanting adopted, which also gives me a racial trait... Is that legal for pfs?

Racial traits and Race traits are two different things.


fiirewalkwithme wrote:
My thing is that I'm taking a racial trait from the alternate racial list but also wanting adopted, which also gives me a racial trait... Is that legal for pfs?

I'll break it down for you.

At character creation you pick:

*Ability scores

*Race

*Class

*Traits

Now all races have something called Racial Traits, like the human's 'Bonus Feat' and 'Skilled'. You can replace your standard Racial Traits for Alternate Racial Traits. There is no limitation on how many Alternate Racial Traits you can take for your character, except that you will sooner or later run out of standard Racial Traits to trade.

Adopted is a Trait, which is not the same as a Racial Trait. You can normally only take two Traits, and only one Trait from one of the many categories there exists.

Types of Traits:

Campaign
Combat
Equipment
Faith
Magic
Race
Regional
Religion
Social

Traits: Social: Adopted wrote:

You were adopted and raised by someone not of your race, and raised in a society not your own.

Benefit: As a result, you picked up a race trait from your adoptive parents and society, and may immediately select a race trait from your adoptive parents' race.

Now Adopted is a Trait in the 'Social' category, which lets you take a Trait from the 'Race' category. You can not take an Alternate Racial Trait with Adopted.


Ah, I see I was mistaken of your question. The answers above are correct for the question they are answering.

I thought you were saying you picked a race trait from some list and then wanted another race trait from adopted, which is not allowed.


You can not take an Alternate Racial Trait with Adopted.

Huh why not? Sure you can not take another Social trait. Taking another race trait would be idiotic as well.(but technically allowed)

But why not Alternate Racial traits? Surely being 'different' from your generic race would actually support getting adopted from someone else.


sunblaze31 wrote:
Wonderstell wrote:
You can not take an Alternate Racial Trait with Adopted.

Huh why not? Sure you can not take another Social trait. Taking another race trait would be idiotic as well.(but technically allowed)

But why not Alternate Racial traits? Surely being 'different' from your generic race would actually support getting adopted from someone else.

I was making a point about the difference between Racial Traits and Race Traits (Traits from the Race category), in response to the post from fiirewalkwithme.

I was not, in any way, implying that you cannot swap out your Racial Traits for Alternate Racial Traits if you took Adopted as a Social Trait.

======================================

Here, I've re-written my last sentence to prevent any kind of misunderstanding. (This must be how the people writing rules feel)

Adopted does not allow you to select an Alternate Racial Trait from your adopted parent's race.


Ahh that is of course correct. Thanks for clarification!

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