paizo.com Recent Posts in Naming the +spaizo.com Recent Posts in Naming the +s2011-04-11T21:12:52Z2011-04-11T21:12:52ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sReaperbryan (alias of Bryan Stiltz, Reaper Miniatures)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#502011-06-07T20:17:49Z2011-04-18T21:54:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">lastknightleft wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So the more I thought about +1 being runic the more I liked it, the only troubling thing is that it implies that each +1 weapon has runes on it...</p>
<p>Flavor to the rescue</p>
<p>as says any educated crafter, "runic weapons don't necessarily bear runes, it just so happens that in their heyday when magic enchanting of blades was in it's infancy the first weapons to be crafted were done so by inscribing certain runes on the weapons. As learning progressed we got past the days where you even needed a rune on a weapon for it to be magical, but by that point there were many weapons that had already been crafted with runes and to the layman a magic weapon was identified by the presence of runes (although that was also an easy way for scam artist to pass off mundane blades as magical). Add to that the fact that inscribing runes is still the easiest form of enchanting, so much so that even hedge-wizards and cultists can do it, and the fact that runes inscribing commonly can't create the stronger enchantments the other classes of enchanting allow, and you have the reason that the lowest tier is still referred to as runic to this day." </blockquote><p>Nice explanation
<p>+1</p>lastknightleft wrote:So the more I thought about +1 being runic the more I liked it, the only troubling thing is that it implies that each +1 weapon has runes on it...
Flavor to the rescue
as says any educated crafter, "runic weapons don't necessarily bear runes, it just so happens that in their heyday when magic enchanting of blades was in it's infancy the first weapons to be crafted were done so by inscribing certain runes on the weapons. As learning progressed we got past the days where...Reaperbryan (alias of Bryan Stiltz, Reaper Miniatures)2011-04-18T21:54:32ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +slastknightlefthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#492011-04-18T19:38:01Z2011-04-18T19:38:01Z<p>So the more I thought about +1 being runic the more I liked it, the only troubling thing is that it implies that each +1 weapon has runes on it...</p>
<p>Flavor to the rescue</p>
<p>as says any educated crafter, "runic weapons don't necessarily bear runes, it just so happens that in their heyday when magic enchanting of blades was in it's infancy the first weapons to be crafted were done so by inscribing certain runes on the weapons. As learning progressed we got past the days where you even needed a rune on a weapon for it to be magical, but by that point there were many weapons that had already been crafted with runes and to the layman a magic weapon was identified by the presence of runes (although that was also an easy way for scam artist to pass off mundane blades as magical). Add to that the fact that inscribing runes is still the easiest form of enchanting, so much so that even hedge-wizards and cultists can do it, and the fact that runes inscribing commonly can't create the stronger enchantments the other classes of enchanting allow, and you have the reason that the lowest tier is still referred to as runic to this day."</p>So the more I thought about +1 being runic the more I liked it, the only troubling thing is that it implies that each +1 weapon has runes on it...
Flavor to the rescue
as says any educated crafter, "runic weapons don't necessarily bear runes, it just so happens that in their heyday when magic enchanting of blades was in it's infancy the first weapons to be crafted were done so by inscribing certain runes on the weapons. As learning progressed we got past the days where you even needed a...lastknightleft2011-04-18T19:38:01ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sroccojrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#482011-04-14T23:24:09Z2011-04-14T23:24:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Reaperbryan wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I rather liked what you had to say </p>
<p>and as much as I got my kickers in a twist about the thread and it's direction, I run my table more or less as you describe. I assume that when the players at my table say game mechanical things, their characters used the appropriate jargon from their world, even if we at the table don't know those words. </blockquote><p>Then I got my Twisted Knickers of Defense on, too. My apologies.
<p>I can see some posts were far more critical and less idea-sharing than others. I didn't spot where the line might have been drawn when you posted your message on the matter.</p>Reaperbryan wrote:I rather liked what you had to say
and as much as I got my kickers in a twist about the thread and it's direction, I run my table more or less as you describe. I assume that when the players at my table say game mechanical things, their characters used the appropriate jargon from their world, even if we at the table don't know those words.
Then I got my Twisted Knickers of Defense on, too. My apologies. I can see some posts were far more critical and less idea-sharing than...roccojr2011-04-14T23:24:09ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sReaperbryan (alias of Bryan Stiltz, Reaper Miniatures)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#472011-06-07T20:17:49Z2011-04-14T21:35:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">roccojr wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Reaperbryan wrote:</div><blockquote><p> To borrow from the illustration provided, If I ask for help fixing my car, and you give me a diatribe about my carbon footprint and the evils of the gas companies and suggest I get a bicycle instead, that's great, that's fine, your opinion, but you didn't help.</p>
<p>And in the case of an internet forum, if you don't have something helpful to add, why post? </blockquote><p>I don't think that's what's going on. As one of the people who said I didn't think this would work in my group, I think I specified that my opinion was confined to my group. I don't think that qualification is really necessary, though. Everyone's opinion is ALWAYS based on their experiences with their own group. What works with one group might not work with another.
<p>And I think your analogy is a little off. Its more like you need help putting those cool neon lights on the undercarriage of your car (not a requirement but it might be cool) and I tell you that, since it wouldn't really work for my car, you should consider that you might run into the same issue.</p>
<p>Helpful does not have to be blind cheerleaders screaming, "RAH RAH WAHOO!!!!" </blockquote>I rather liked what you had to say <div class="messageboard-quotee">Roccojr wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I've pretty much assumed that there's this Gamespeak going on where the players at the table say one thing and their characters say the equivalent but using more appropriate language.</p>
<p>Player says: This is a +2 Keen blade.
<br />
Character says: This sword's magically enhanced balance and sharpness are remarkable!</blockquote><p>and as much as I got my kickers in a twist about the thread and it's direction, I run my table more or less as you describe. I assume that when the players at my table say game mechanical things, their characters used the appropriate jargon from their world, even if we at the table don't know those words.roccojr wrote:Reaperbryan wrote:To borrow from the illustration provided, If I ask for help fixing my car, and you give me a diatribe about my carbon footprint and the evils of the gas companies and suggest I get a bicycle instead, that's great, that's fine, your opinion, but you didn't help.
And in the case of an internet forum, if you don't have something helpful to add, why post?
I don't think that's what's going on. As one of the people who said I didn't think this would work in my...Reaperbryan (alias of Bryan Stiltz, Reaper Miniatures)2011-04-14T21:35:15ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sroccojrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#462011-04-14T21:28:26Z2011-04-14T21:28:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Reaperbryan wrote:</div><blockquote><p> To borrow from the illustration provided, If I ask for help fixing my car, and you give me a diatribe about my carbon footprint and the evils of the gas companies and suggest I get a bicycle instead, that's great, that's fine, your opinion, but you didn't help.</p>
<p>And in the case of an internet forum, if you don't have something helpful to add, why post? </blockquote><p>I don't think that's what's going on. As one of the people who said I didn't think this would work in my group, I think I specified that my opinion was confined to my group. I don't think that qualification is really necessary, though. Everyone's opinion is ALWAYS based on their experiences with their own group. What works with one group might not work with another.
<p>And I think your analogy is a little off. Its more like you need help putting those cool neon lights on the undercarriage of your car (not a requirement but it might be cool) and I tell you that, since it wouldn't really work for my car, you should consider that you might run into the same issue.</p>
<p>Helpful does not have to be blind cheerleaders screaming, "RAH RAH WAHOO!!!!"</p>Reaperbryan wrote:To borrow from the illustration provided, If I ask for help fixing my car, and you give me a diatribe about my carbon footprint and the evils of the gas companies and suggest I get a bicycle instead, that's great, that's fine, your opinion, but you didn't help.
And in the case of an internet forum, if you don't have something helpful to add, why post?
I don't think that's what's going on. As one of the people who said I didn't think this would work in my group, I think I...roccojr2011-04-14T21:28:26ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sEvil Lincoln (alias of toyrobots)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#452011-04-14T19:45:40Z2011-04-14T19:45:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Reaperbryan wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Evil Lincoln wrote:</div><blockquote> Criticizing the thread's premise is a waste of the critic's time. </blockquote>Stated more succinctly, and better, than I did. </blockquote><p>•Constructive fist bump•Reaperbryan wrote:Evil Lincoln wrote: Criticizing the thread's premise is a waste of the critic's time.
Stated more succinctly, and better, than I did. *Constructive fist bump*Evil Lincoln (alias of toyrobots)2011-04-14T19:45:40ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sReaperbryan (alias of Bryan Stiltz, Reaper Miniatures)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#442011-06-07T20:17:49Z2011-04-14T19:18:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Evil Lincoln wrote:</div><blockquote> Criticizing the thread's premise is a waste of the critic's time. </blockquote><p>Stated more succinctly, and better, than I did.Evil Lincoln wrote:Criticizing the thread's premise is a waste of the critic's time.
Stated more succinctly, and better, than I did.Reaperbryan (alias of Bryan Stiltz, Reaper Miniatures)2011-04-14T19:18:35ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sOteriskhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#432011-04-14T16:22:52Z2011-04-14T16:22:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Snorter wrote:</div><blockquote><p> How about, from shoddy workmanship, up through normal, masterwork and up;</p>
<p>Feeble
<br />
Average
<br />
Superior
<br />
Enhanced
<br />
Renowned
<br />
Invulnerable
<br />
Perfected</p>
<p>and...
<br />
Class 1000! </blockquote><p>Wow, Class 1000, that brings me back. What a messed up system that was. :PSnorter wrote:How about, from shoddy workmanship, up through normal, masterwork and up;
Feeble
Average
Superior
Enhanced
Renowned
Invulnerable
Perfected
and...
Class 1000!
Wow, Class 1000, that brings me back. What a messed up system that was. :POterisk2011-04-14T16:22:52ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sLaurefindelhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#422011-04-14T15:55:13Z2011-04-14T15:55:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Evil Lincoln wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
<br />
Likewise, I use Belgian ale strengths (Singel, Dubbel, Tripel, Quadrupel) to refer to <i>cure</i> potions (...) </blockquote><p>Hey, I like that!
<p>That reminds me of a player I had that would say "I'm <i>critically</i> wounded" as opposed to "I'm short 3d8+15 hit points" (or some other variations using the words "hit points"). That was the compromised we made as I refused that HPs would be referred to as such in-character.</p>
<p>'findel</p>Evil Lincoln wrote:Likewise, I use Belgian ale strengths (Singel, Dubbel, Tripel, Quadrupel) to refer to cure potions (...)
Hey, I like that! That reminds me of a player I had that would say "I'm critically wounded" as opposed to "I'm short 3d8+15 hit points" (or some other variations using the words "hit points"). That was the compromised we made as I refused that HPs would be referred to as such in-character.
'findelLaurefindel2011-04-14T15:55:13ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sDrogonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#412011-04-14T15:54:21Z2011-04-14T15:54:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Evil Lincoln wrote:</div><blockquote><p> The way I see it, the best service the forum can provide is aggregation of ideas from players and GMs for other players and GMs.</p>
<p>Posting your own suggestion of terms in this thread is a Good Thing, because anyone who comes to the thread can choose whichever they like best, or use the suggestions to make their own. I posted two very different ideas that I am happy with, and I'll post more if they come to me.</p>
<p>Criticizing the thread's premise is a waste of the critic's time. </blockquote><p>I love finding threads that are speaking to things that I was discussing just the other day with people in my store. There are a ton of people out there who are looking for just this kind of thing.
<p>Dotting, so I can show them the thread...</p>Evil Lincoln wrote:The way I see it, the best service the forum can provide is aggregation of ideas from players and GMs for other players and GMs.
Posting your own suggestion of terms in this thread is a Good Thing, because anyone who comes to the thread can choose whichever they like best, or use the suggestions to make their own. I posted two very different ideas that I am happy with, and I'll post more if they come to me.
Criticizing the thread's premise is a waste of the critic's
...Drogon2011-04-14T15:54:21ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sEvil Lincoln (alias of toyrobots)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#402011-04-14T15:34:11Z2011-04-14T15:34:11Z<p>The way I see it, the best service the forum can provide is aggregation of ideas from players and GMs for other players and GMs.</p>
<p>Posting your own suggestion of terms in this thread is a Good Thing, because anyone who comes to the thread can choose whichever they like best, or use the suggestions to make their own. I posted two very different ideas that I am happy with, and I'll post more if they come to me.</p>
<p>Criticizing the thread's premise is a waste of the critic's time.</p>The way I see it, the best service the forum can provide is aggregation of ideas from players and GMs for other players and GMs.
Posting your own suggestion of terms in this thread is a Good Thing, because anyone who comes to the thread can choose whichever they like best, or use the suggestions to make their own. I posted two very different ideas that I am happy with, and I'll post more if they come to me.
Criticizing the thread's premise is a waste of the critic's time.Evil Lincoln (alias of toyrobots)2011-04-14T15:34:11ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +smdthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#392011-04-14T13:15:41Z2011-04-14T13:15:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">lastknightleft wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Reaperbryan wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I guess I'm just surprised by the fact that the OP said, "hey, I want 5 words to use in my campaign world that mean X" and he got "That's dumb".</p>
<p></blockquote>Heh, honestly I'm more bothered by the fact that people seem to like someone else's word choices better than mine. I've gotten used to the fact that any idea posted on a forum will be followed by at least three people saying "why would you do that, it's a waste of time/it's a horrible idea/it's pointless." Like my adjectives better damnit! :) </blockquote><p>The sad part is, those 3 messages are usually from one of 5 different posters.lastknightleft wrote:Reaperbryan wrote:I guess I'm just surprised by the fact that the OP said, "hey, I want 5 words to use in my campaign world that mean X" and he got "That's dumb".
Heh, honestly I'm more bothered by the fact that people seem to like someone else's word choices better than mine. I've gotten used to the fact that any idea posted on a forum will be followed by at least three people saying "why would you do that, it's a waste of time/it's a horrible idea/it's pointless." Like...mdt2011-04-14T13:15:41ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +slastknightlefthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#382011-04-14T13:07:37Z2011-04-14T13:07:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Reaperbryan wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I guess I'm just surprised by the fact that the OP said, "hey, I want 5 words to use in my campaign world that mean X" and he got "That's dumb".</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Heh, honestly I'm more bothered by the fact that people seem to like someone else's word choices better than mine. I've gotten used to the fact that any idea posted on a forum will be followed by at least three people saying "why would you do that, it's a waste of time/it's a horrible idea/it's pointless." Like my adjectives better damnit! :)Reaperbryan wrote:I guess I'm just surprised by the fact that the OP said, "hey, I want 5 words to use in my campaign world that mean X" and he got "That's dumb".
Heh, honestly I'm more bothered by the fact that people seem to like someone else's word choices better than mine. I've gotten used to the fact that any idea posted on a forum will be followed by at least three people saying "why would you do that, it's a waste of time/it's a horrible idea/it's pointless." Like my adjectives better...lastknightleft2011-04-14T13:07:37ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sGeistlingerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#372011-04-14T04:11:26Z2011-04-14T04:11:26Z<p>I think <b><a href="http://www.maniacworld.com/internet-is-a-completely-different-culture.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this</a></b> explains it.</p>
<p>On topic, I think it's a pretty cool idea, and one I might liberate myself for my campaign.</p>I think this explains it.
On topic, I think it's a pretty cool idea, and one I might liberate myself for my campaign.Geistlinger2011-04-14T04:11:26ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sReaperbryan (alias of Bryan Stiltz, Reaper Miniatures)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#362011-06-07T20:17:49Z2011-04-14T02:44:58Z<p>I guess I'm just surprised by the fact that the OP said, "hey, I want 5 words to use in my campaign world that mean X" and he got "That's dumb".</p>
<p>Admittedly, a fair number of people gave him helpful advice.</p>
<p>Sure, the English language doesn't have a word for the made-up thing that is a +1 enhancement bonus. But that doesn't mean the game world doesn't, and helping a DM find words that might have meaning int he game world isn't dumb.</p>
<p>To borrow from the illustration provided, If I ask for help fixing my car, and you give me a diatribe about my carbon footprint and the evils of the gas companies and suggest I get a bicycle instead, that's great, that's fine, your opinion, but you didn't help.</p>
<p>And in the case of an internet forum, if you don't have something helpful to add, why post?</p>I guess I'm just surprised by the fact that the OP said, "hey, I want 5 words to use in my campaign world that mean X" and he got "That's dumb".
Admittedly, a fair number of people gave him helpful advice.
Sure, the English language doesn't have a word for the made-up thing that is a +1 enhancement bonus. But that doesn't mean the game world doesn't, and helping a DM find words that might have meaning int he game world isn't dumb.
To borrow from the illustration provided, If I ask for help...Reaperbryan (alias of Bryan Stiltz, Reaper Miniatures)2011-04-14T02:44:58ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sAnguishhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#352011-04-14T00:18:27Z2011-04-14T00:18:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Reaperbryan wrote:</div><blockquote><p> It seemed pretty clear to me that the intent here was to find a title for the each level of enhancement bonus - +1, +2, etc. and yet some people have glommed onto the idea of Name, as in "my trusty shortsword, Sting", or "Orcfang" or whatnot.</p>
<p>Why are there so many issues with the OP wanting his PCs to go into a magic item shop, and instead of asking for +1 longswords, or saying, "longswords with a +1 enhancement bonus" or some such game mechanical term that in the virtual erality of the game world has no meaning? If the OP wants to have his players say that a +1 dagger is a Runic Dagger, and a +2 Dagger is a Mystic Dagger, so his players can stay in character while browsing for their next "Transcendant Holy Avenger", <b>why is that a problem?</b></p>
<p>Beyond that, if they want they Transcendant Holy Avenger to be NAMED, then you have the sword Narsil, Fang of Gondor, and a wizard that casts identify can in character say, "By the markings and enchantments, you have found a Transecendant Holy Avenger, but more so than that, you have found the ancient artifact Narsil!"</p>
<p>And players can write down +5 Holy Avenger: Narsil (ask DM?) like always. </blockquote><p>The real question is: why is it a problem that when the OP shows up to expresses his opinion other people have and express their own, sometimes differing opinion?
<p>Let me step back for a moment and expand on that. I've read a lot of threads where a DM has shown up and said something like "I'm thinking about banning X" or "I'm thinking about changing Y so it works completely differently" or "I'm thinking about doing Z to my players." I often reply to those by asking "have you asked your players what <i>they</i> find is fun?" It's sadly frequent that the answer is "no". A lot of people have ideas. Good, great, wonderful. Not all of those ideas are themselves good, great <i>or</i> wonderful. The Internet is a place where you can bounce your arbitrary changes and whim-based fancies off other people to see if they perhaps are good, great, or wonderful. Don't expect unanimity. 30+ years of D&D without major publishers feeling the need to make up <i>unrelated and meaningless</i> names to associate with <i>other unrelated and meaningless</i> names says something.</p>
<p><poking fun></p>
<p>Incidentally, in my campaigns henceforth +1 items shall be known as <i>spastic</i>, +2 items as <i>cherubic</i>, +3 items as <i>scandalous</i>, +4 items as <i>uppity</i> and +5 items as <i>zen</i>. That's right. My players will now dream of owning a <i>zen vorpal greatsword</i>.</p>
<p></poking fun></p>
<p>Really, my point in a nutshell is this: the English language doesn't have words that fit what is trying to be done. The concept being conveyed is a quantitative one. "The enhancement is at a level of 1 above nominal non-magical." The words being used are qualitative. "This longbow is of the <i>laxative</i> level of magic." Yeah, yeah, I just adjectived that verb and consequently verbed that noun. I'm sure SKR could prove me wrong, but the two concepts don't work well together.</p>Reaperbryan wrote:It seemed pretty clear to me that the intent here was to find a title for the each level of enhancement bonus - +1, +2, etc. and yet some people have glommed onto the idea of Name, as in "my trusty shortsword, Sting", or "Orcfang" or whatnot.
Why are there so many issues with the OP wanting his PCs to go into a magic item shop, and instead of asking for +1 longswords, or saying, "longswords with a +1 enhancement bonus" or some such game mechanical term that in the virtual...Anguish2011-04-14T00:18:27ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sReaperbryan (alias of Bryan Stiltz, Reaper Miniatures)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#342011-06-07T20:17:49Z2011-04-13T21:22:27Z<p>It seemed pretty clear to me that the intent here was to find a title for the each level of enhancement bonus - +1, +2, etc. and yet some people have glommed onto the idea of Name, as in "my trusty shortsword, Sting", or "Orcfang" or whatnot.</p>
<p>Why are there so many issues with the OP wanting his PCs to go into a magic item shop, and instead of asking for +1 longswords, or saying, "longswords with a +1 enhancement bonus" or some such game mechanical term that in the virtual erality of the game world has no meaning? If the OP wants to have his players say that a +1 dagger is a Runic Dagger, and a +2 Dagger is a Mystic Dagger, so his players can stay in character while browsing for their next "Transcendant Holy Avenger", why is that a problem?</p>
<p>Beyond that, if they want they Transcendant Holy Avenger to be NAMED, then you have the sword Narsil, Fang of Gondor, and a wizard that casts identify can in character say, "By the markings and enchantments, you have found a Transecendant Holy Avenger, but more so than that, you have found the ancient artifact Narsil!"</p>
<p>And players can write down +5 Holy Avenger: Narsil (ask DM?) like always.</p>It seemed pretty clear to me that the intent here was to find a title for the each level of enhancement bonus - +1, +2, etc. and yet some people have glommed onto the idea of Name, as in "my trusty shortsword, Sting", or "Orcfang" or whatnot.
Why are there so many issues with the OP wanting his PCs to go into a magic item shop, and instead of asking for +1 longswords, or saying, "longswords with a +1 enhancement bonus" or some such game mechanical term that in the virtual erality of the game...Reaperbryan (alias of Bryan Stiltz, Reaper Miniatures)2011-04-13T21:22:27ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +smdthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#332011-04-13T19:58:41Z2011-04-13T19:58:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Doskious Steele wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
<br />
Based partly on your reply, I've decided to adopt the following progression (for my players):</p>
<p>Runic (+1)
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Mystic (+2)
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Eldritch (+3)
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Thaumaturgic (+4)
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Transcendent (+5)</p>
<p>Also, your point that the progression is primarily for vendors, as opposed to the creators of the items, is entirely in accord with my thinking on the matter. </blockquote><p>I like this one. I think I'll blatantly steel it for my own games.
<p>EDIT:
<br />
I think I might add...</p>
<p>Apprentice (-1 to hit)
<br />
Journeyman (standard blade)
<br />
Master (+1 to hit, AKA Masterwork)</p>Doskious Steele wrote:Based partly on your reply, I've decided to adopt the following progression (for my players):Runic (+1)
Mystic (+2)
Eldritch (+3)
Thaumaturgic (+4)
Transcendent (+5)
Also, your point that the progression is primarily for vendors, as opposed to the creators of the items, is entirely in accord with my thinking on the matter.
I like this one. I think I'll blatantly steel it for my own games. EDIT:
I think I might add...
Apprentice (-1 to hit)
Journeyman (standard blade)...mdt2011-04-13T19:58:41ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sroccojrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#322011-04-13T19:46:34Z2011-04-13T19:46:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kolokotroni wrote:</div><blockquote>Well that has to do with what level of roleplay a group thinks is appropriate (and fun). I have been in games where the second lines where what the players said, always in character. I also have played in games that were a little tongue in cheek where the characters had an awareness of the game itself, similar to the comic series order of the stick. </blockquote><p>Oh, its still in character. My players are geeks... We're all IT developers or managers. Not actors. Everyone has their own capabilities but I don't want to stop a player who isn't particularly good at acting or even coming up with decent words from playing a bard if that's what he wants to do, for example.
<p>I'm not against giving names to the various + levels in the game... but if, for example, the game did that by RAW, calling a +3 Longsword an "Awesome Longsword" for example, I think my players would have translated it to +3 and used that terminology at the table.</p>
<p>Personally, I love the idea as I hate saying, "Its a +1 Longsword." But if I started calling it a "Giggety Blade", they'd start asking, "Giggety... that's +4, right???"</p>Kolokotroni wrote:Well that has to do with what level of roleplay a group thinks is appropriate (and fun). I have been in games where the second lines where what the players said, always in character. I also have played in games that were a little tongue in cheek where the characters had an awareness of the game itself, similar to the comic series order of the stick.
Oh, its still in character. My players are geeks... We're all IT developers or managers. Not actors. Everyone has their own...roccojr2011-04-13T19:46:34ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sDarth Knight (alias of Crimson Jester)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#312011-04-13T19:00:26Z2011-04-13T19:00:26Z<p>Very cool idea. Reminds me of all those charts in first edition.</p>Very cool idea. Reminds me of all those charts in first edition.Darth Knight (alias of Crimson Jester)2011-04-13T19:00:26ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sKolokotronihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#302011-04-13T18:59:03Z2011-04-13T18:59:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">roccojr wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I've pretty much assumed that there's this Gamespeak going on where the players at the table say one thing and their characters say the equivalent but using more appropriate language. </p>
<p>Player says: This is a +2 Keen blade.
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Character says: This sword's magically enhanced balance and sharpness are remarkable!</p>
<p>Works for other situations, too.</p>
<p>Bard's Player: Uhh... hi, maiden. Can we rest here? Nice cans, by the way.
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Bard Character: Fair maiden, my companions and I meant no intrusion. We only sought a short rest. Casting my eyes upon your loveliness, however, I might bid we stay a bit longer... with your blessings, of which I am sure there are ample.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Well that has to do with what level of roleplay a group thinks is appropriate (and fun). I have been in games where the second lines where what the players said, always in character. I also have played in games that were a little tongue in cheek where the characters had an awareness of the game itself, similar to the comic series order of the stick.roccojr wrote:I've pretty much assumed that there's this Gamespeak going on where the players at the table say one thing and their characters say the equivalent but using more appropriate language.
Player says: This is a +2 Keen blade.
Character says: This sword's magically enhanced balance and sharpness are remarkable!
Works for other situations, too.
Bard's Player: Uhh... hi, maiden. Can we rest here? Nice cans, by the way.
Bard Character: Fair maiden, my companions and I meant no...Kolokotroni2011-04-13T18:59:03ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sroccojrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#292011-04-13T18:40:52Z2011-04-13T18:40:52Z<p>I've pretty much assumed that there's this Gamespeak going on where the players at the table say one thing and their characters say the equivalent but using more appropriate language. </p>
<p>Player says: This is a +2 Keen blade.
<br />
Character says: This sword's magically enhanced balance and sharpness are remarkable!</p>
<p>Works for other situations, too.</p>
<p>Bard's Player: Uhh... hi, maiden. Can we rest here? Nice cans, by the way.
<br />
Bard Character: Fair maiden, my companions and I meant no intrusion. We only sought a short rest. Casting my eyes upon your loveliness, however, I might bid we stay a bit longer... with your blessings, of which I am sure there are ample.</p>I've pretty much assumed that there's this Gamespeak going on where the players at the table say one thing and their characters say the equivalent but using more appropriate language.
Player says: This is a +2 Keen blade.
Character says: This sword's magically enhanced balance and sharpness are remarkable!
Works for other situations, too.
Bard's Player: Uhh... hi, maiden. Can we rest here? Nice cans, by the way.
Bard Character: Fair maiden, my companions and I meant no intrusion. We only...roccojr2011-04-13T18:40:52ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sKolokotronihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#282011-04-13T18:37:08Z2011-04-13T18:37:08Z<p>I have always liked the idea of using the already established adverbs in the system to handle this. So something like this:</p>
<p>+1 = Lesser Mystic Weapon
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+2 = Mystic Weapon
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+3 = Improved Mystic Weapon
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+4 = Greater Mystic Weapon
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+5 = Superior Mystic Weapon</p>
<p>The word mystic can be supplanted for somethign more descriptive but I like the idea of giving something that has a clear correlation with an order like Lesser,Standard,Improved, Greater and Superior.</p>I have always liked the idea of using the already established adverbs in the system to handle this. So something like this:
+1 = Lesser Mystic Weapon
+2 = Mystic Weapon
+3 = Improved Mystic Weapon
+4 = Greater Mystic Weapon
+5 = Superior Mystic Weapon
The word mystic can be supplanted for somethign more descriptive but I like the idea of giving something that has a clear correlation with an order like Lesser,Standard,Improved, Greater and Superior.Kolokotroni2011-04-13T18:37:08ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sEvil Lincoln (alias of toyrobots)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#272011-04-13T18:13:45Z2011-04-13T18:13:45Z<p>You could use noble ranking... on the premise that higher ranking nobles can afford more magic.
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mw Knight
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+1 Baron
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+2 Count
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+3 Marquis
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+4 Duke
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+5 King</p>
<p>Of course, someone with a better Knowledge(Nobility) should probably pick the actual titles.</p>You could use noble ranking... on the premise that higher ranking nobles can afford more magic.
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mw Knight
+1 Baron
+2 Count
+3 Marquis
+4 Duke
+5 King
Of course, someone with a better Knowledge(Nobility) should probably pick the actual titles.Evil Lincoln (alias of toyrobots)2011-04-13T18:13:45ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Naming the +sAnguishhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m49n?Naming-the-s#262011-04-13T18:03:48Z2011-04-13T18:03:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">RunebladeX wrote:</div><blockquote><p>i feel completely different that arbitrary words dont convey any more realism. I'm sorry you feel that way. try this, ask one of your players to change his characters name to "level 3 cleric" play a gaming session and see if the realism fades a bit...</p>
<p>and the problem with asking to add "a little more ooommp" could be anything. you could get your sword back and wanted a +2 buts you get it back and it is shocking or bane. </blockquote><p>Fair enough, and I didn't really meant to poop on anyone's parade. To continue with the discussion though, what you're asking with a "level 3 cleric" isn't the same thing at all. Out-of-game that's entirely appropriate. In-game, no, we wouldn't do that. But in-game that's the equivalent of a <i>named</i> weapon, not named <i>properties</i>. You're talking about calling a sword Bloodsplatterflinger. That's not the same as saying it's <i>runic</i> for instance at all.
<p>What I have a problem with is the assignment of nonsense names. Runic? Means it has runes. Doesn't say anything about what +1 enhancement actually delivers.</p>
<p>You wouldn't get <i>shocking</i> or <i>bane</i> because those you'd be asking for "a weapon that zaps people when I hit 'em" or "an enchantment to make my bow really hate orcs".</p>
<p>Again, whatever you enjoy, but that's my view.</p>RunebladeX wrote:i feel completely different that arbitrary words dont convey any more realism. I'm sorry you feel that way. try this, ask one of your players to change his characters name to "level 3 cleric" play a gaming session and see if the realism fades a bit...
and the problem with asking to add "a little more ooommp" could be anything. you could get your sword back and wanted a +2 buts you get it back and it is shocking or bane.
Fair enough, and I didn't really meant to poop on...Anguish2011-04-13T18:03:48Z