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RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

Disclaimer: I have not yet seen the movie. Given these stellar reviews, I doubt that I would want to.

Velcro Zipper wrote:

My opinion of this movie has nothing to do with my expectations. I didn't expect this movie to suck. I expected Sucker Punch to be bad but entertaining. If I expect a movie to suck, I just don't pay to watch it.

Sucker Punch was beyond suck. It would be one thing if this movie was just forgettable, but Sucker Punch is a movie that actually makes me angry when I try to think of where to start when describing how absolutely it fails as a film.

"Sucker Punch proves a movie can be loud, action-packed and filled with beautiful young women—and still bore you to tears" - Richard Roeper, The Chicago Sun-Times

Reckless wrote:
... then from there into a 12 year old boy's wet dream fight sequences in a stripper's schoolgirl outfit? Samurai; steampunk; fantasy, robots?

Assuming that this was the writer/director/producer's actual intent ..., within five minutes or so, we could probibly thinks of more then a dozen excuses for these movie elements that would make more sense, be less offensive, and be a lot more fun.

I already realize that there is no way this could fail to be offensive to some people. Still ...

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Dennis Harry wrote:
Good call Matt. I busted my wife's chops to watch that and it was so bad I had to turn it off after 15 minutes.

I was the same way.

Pulp Hero? Check.

Sin City styling? Check.

Samuel L. Jackson chewing scenery? Check.

Wanting to slit my wrists and hang myself for paying for a ticket to see it? Check.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

The Spirit was bad but, ultimately, forgettable. I remember some of the costumes and I vaguely recall the whole thing carrying the over-the-top, chest-thumping, macho posturing I've come to expect from anything Frank Miller touches.

I'll likely forget much about Sucker Punch within the next four months as well, but I expect it will be a long time before I can discuss its flaws without my brain hulking out as it buckles under the pressure of having to decide what it hates most about this movie.

So, basically, yeah. Worse than The Spirit.


I went to the film and got exactly what I expected. I expected hot half dressed women running around in mindless action sequences with lots of explosions. Beyond that I had no expectations for this movie. I was quite entertained by the movie, but of course I was expecting mindless banality, so there is that. I think you get out of the movie what you take into it.

Sovereign Court

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Captain Jack wrote:
I think you get out of the movie what you take into it.

Especially if you go in with a full bladder. At least I hope you take out what you bring in, in this case...


I'm gonna hold out on this one until an unrated director's cut is released to DVD, I think. There's a lot of speculation that quite a bit of important parts were left on the cutting room floor to get the MPAA down to a PG-13 rating. I'd rather see it unfiltered than get the sanitized version, and considering it now costs my wife and me 20 dollars just to get into a theater since apparently NOBODY offers student discounts anymore*, I'll wait for Netflix to pick it up.

There's also the fact, acknowledged by one of the actresses, that a sex scene was edited to more closely resemble forced intercourse or outright rape to get past the censors - suggesting that the MPAA hates depictions of women enjoying sex, but is pretty much okay with depictions of them being bullied into it.

* What? My university ID doesn't expire until 2013 and I'm milking it for all it's worth. =]


Power Word Unzip wrote:

suggesting that the MPAA hates depictions of women enjoying sex, but is pretty much okay with depictions of them being bullied into it.

There's something really wrong with a system that sees things that way.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

Power Word Unzip wrote:
There's also the fact, acknowledged by one of the actresses, that a sex scene was edited to more closely resemble forced intercourse or outright rape to get past the censors - suggesting that the MPAA hates depictions of women enjoying sex, but is pretty much okay with depictions of them being bullied into it.

I really hope that is just rumor.

Because if this is true, the implications are "disturbing."

Dark Archive

The MPAA has always been a lot more ok with violence than sex. One of those things is sex and one is a type of violence. Sadly I wouldn't be remotely surprised to learn it was true.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

IIRC, (I've not watched the unedited Pegasus episode so I'm running from memory) the rape scene in BSG was edited to remove more explicit sexual content before it aired.

Apparently showing the violence was more 'approved' then the sex there too. It sticks in my mind, because I remember reading Grace Park* saying she was proud of that scene and sad it got chopped up.

*

Spoiler:
She's hot, I never said she might not be strange

Scarab Sages

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Lost Omens Subscriber

The one shining light for me was the soundtrack. That will stick with me longer than the movie did. My op: Just pay for the soundtrack and avoid the movie.


Lord Fyre wrote:
Power Word Unzip wrote:
There's also the fact, acknowledged by one of the actresses, that a sex scene was edited to more closely resemble forced intercourse or outright rape to get past the censors - suggesting that the MPAA hates depictions of women enjoying sex, but is pretty much okay with depictions of them being bullied into it.

I really hope that is just rumor.

Because if this is true, the implications are "disturbing."

Might I suggest the documentary "This film is not yet rated" to see a filmmaker who is asking a lot of questions about the MPAA's system. granted there is his bias but might be worthwhile for you.


Lord Fyre wrote:
Power Word Unzip wrote:
There's also the fact, acknowledged by one of the actresses, that a sex scene was edited to more closely resemble forced intercourse or outright rape to get past the censors - suggesting that the MPAA hates depictions of women enjoying sex, but is pretty much okay with depictions of them being bullied into it.

I really hope that is just rumor.

Because if this is true, the implications are "disturbing."

Here's where I read about it.

And Dragonsong, you're right - "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" is an EXCELLENT documentary. Shows the hypocrisy of the MPAA in lurid detail, not to mention their willingness to violate copyright law for their own self-serving purposes.


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Well, I just returned from cinema. My thoughts at the end of the movie were "Nice tech demo". But as a movie, it fails on all levels.

Oh, and The Spirit was the only film I ever walked out of in the middle. This here at least hade some impressive set pieces ( with too much slow motion ).

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

Power Word Unzip wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Power Word Unzip wrote:
There's also the fact, acknowledged by one of the actresses, that a sex scene was edited to more closely resemble forced intercourse or outright rape to get past the censors - suggesting that the MPAA hates depictions of women enjoying sex, but is pretty much okay with depictions of them being bullied into it.

I really hope that is just rumor.

Because if this is true, the implications are "disturbing."

Here's where I read about it.

And Dragonsong, you're right - "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" is an EXCELLENT documentary. Shows the hypocrisy of the MPAA in lurid detail, not to mention their willingness to violate copyright law for their own self-serving purposes.

So the next question would be, will the MPAA go the way of the Comic's Code?

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

So, at least they got the rite guy to do the rpg for this movie.


"Sucker Punch" is what Superman will look like when it is released. Zack Synder will make Superman look exactly like this movie. It will also look like "The Watchman".

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

Reckless wrote:

So, at least they got the rite guy to do the rpg for this movie.

ROTFLMAO!


So I saw Suckerpunch and it was neither as good or as bad as people were saying.

First of all, the story was pretty good and the acting was decent. Unfortunately the story was depressing and I think that's what most people didn't like. I didn't leave the theatre "feeling great". But you can't say the story was bad because of this.

The storyline involved 2 different layers between what was happenning in her fantasy world compared to reality. Most people won't get it. I know my buddy, who is fairly smart, didn't get a lot of nuances.

Most importantly, there wasn't as much action in the movie as expected. It's about 75% drama and 25% action in this movie. To make matters worse, the action was very fast (a blur), so that you couldn't follow what was happenning most of the time. I didn't like this and honestly and found it exhausting.

So I'd give it a 7/10.

Liberty's Edge

I had no idea what to expect going in, had absolutely zero foreknowledge, read no reviews, missed this whole thread last spring.

Last night I saw it was available from iTunes, knew I'd have a few hours today, bought the film.

Awesome! It's kind of like one very long music video or the best cutscenes from a dozen video games, but enjoyable, if you like music videos ala meatloaf and anime and video games.

But who am I? I seem to like a whole load of films everyone else hates.


Your not the only one who liked it.

Liberty's Edge

How is the extended cut? New scenes add much?

Liberty's Edge

CapeCodRPGer wrote:
How is the extended cut? New scenes add much?

I never saw the theatrical version, but the extended film is apparently some 20 minutes longer. I watched the entire film in one go, loved it all the way through, and really couldn't tell you which scenes are extra. Nonetheless, I have a feeling this is one of those films: you either love it or hate it.

Dark Archive

I didn't know there was a extended cut. Now I am tempted to go rent it and see what they added. May buy it if it is cheap enough.

Shadow Lodge

Extended cut is only available on Blu-Ray at the moment. Lots of scenes have a bit of expanded content, but the major changes are the adding of two scenes:

1) A musical number that shows the workings of the brothel/club.
2) A scene between the High Roller and Baby Doll.

Dark Archive

Kthulhu wrote:

Extended cut is only available on Blu-Ray at the moment. Lots of scenes have a bit of expanded content, but the major changes are the adding of two scenes:

1) A musical number that shows the workings of the brothel/club.
2) A scene between the High Roller and Baby Doll.

Well that's annoying I don't have a blu-ray player.

Liberty's Edge

Dark_Mistress wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:

Extended cut is only available on Blu-Ray at the moment. Lots of scenes have a bit of expanded content, but the major changes are the adding of two scenes:

1) A musical number that shows the workings of the brothel/club.
2) A scene between the High Roller and Baby Doll.

Well that's annoying I don't have a blu-ray player.

You can buy the extended version from iTunes for $15; or $19 and watch it in HD through AppleTV.


I saw it this weekend at a friend's house. The main character is actually Sweetpea who is Alice. The one everyone thinks is the main character is the White Rabbit, who is Sweetpea's guide in Wonderland, and to freedom.


Just Redboxed it. I won't say the film is without problems, but...I think I really liked it. Most people just can't stand the idea of a bittersweet ending.


I liked it despite the messed up ending though I wish it was somebody other than "her" that got free.


The ending was it should be. Considering that there were 4 levels of realty in the movie, I thought the movie was consistent in its handling of those realities. And as I said in a earlier post, Sweetpea was the one who had to escape, being 'Alice' and being led out of 'Wonderland'.


Four realities? I thought there were only three?


The outside, the speakeasy, the asylum, and the dream world.


5 the play within a play.


Lorm Dragonheart wrote:
The outside, the speakeasy, the asylum, and the dream world.

Wasn't the outside and the asylum the same reality, tho?


Mynameisjake wrote:
Lorm Dragonheart wrote:
The outside, the speakeasy, the asylum, and the dream world.
Wasn't the outside and the asylum the same reality, tho?

Not really, look how everyone acted in the two places.

Shadow Lodge

Real World - This is where Baby Doll's sister got shot, she was thrown in the asylum, and lobotomized.
Brothel World - Where the bulk of the movie is set. BD's first level of fantasy.
Fantasy World - Giant samurai monsters, steampunk nazi zombies, orcs and dragons, and sci-fi with robots. BD's second level of fantasy.

The ending (Sweet Pea escaping) is a bit ambiguous. It seems to be set in the Real World, but the Wise Old Man (tm) appears, as does the kid from the steampunk nazi zombie segment.


Because Sweat pea was the main character and the one telling the story is the reason Wiseman and that kid were in her imagination. She was telling her story after she had already escaped also Babydoll and Wiseman were her "angels" in the story.


I saw it last night and I really enjoyed the movie. It is not for everyone and some people will not get everything. But it was worth the time and money spent on it.

Grand Lodge

Three levels of reality told from the point of view of the non lead character... I can understand if people have a hard time following it. But honestly I think given some time this movie will be a cult favorite and a storytelling classic.

It's about time we see something that makes us use our brains instead of the usual plot of A to B to C and guess what! D is next!

Liberty's Edge

Just to set the record straight, they were steampunk German imperialist zombies, or Kaiserist zombies. The Nazis came a bit later.


Yeah, it does drive me crazy about everyone calling them "Nazis" when it is clearly world war I.

Shadow Lodge

Andrew Turner wrote:
Just to set the record straight, they were steampunk German imperialist zombies, or Kaiserist zombies. The Nazis came a bit later.

I'd have to watch again to be sure, but I seem to remember a bit of WWII blended into the scenario, including a swastika or two. But my memory might be faulty. At any rate, steampunk Nazi zombies are cooler than steampunk Kaiserist zombies, and the entire movie was based on the rule of cool, so I win by default. :P

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