Evolution Surge to add Large?


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The Large evolution costs 4 evo points and says that Str and Con Boost evos added to a large eidolon cost double.

My question is: What happens if I use Evolution Surge to add the Large evolution to a Medium Eidolon that has a few Str Boost evos?


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Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:

The Large evolution costs 4 evo points and says that Str and Con Boost evos added to a large eidolon cost double.

My question is: What happens if I use Evolution Surge to add the Large evolution to a Medium Eidolon that has a few Str Boost evos?

I don't know about official answer, but i'd have them cost double. Aka 2 Str evo would combine into 1. If you only had one, you'd lose it. (you'd still gain net STR from the large evo anyways.)

similar analogy for me would be casting bulls strength on a fighter with a +2 str belt. net str gain, not stacking.

(yes, i am aware there is a difference, i'm simply using it as an example for why i suggest similar)

I also don't think Evo surge should be a cheesy way to gain "extra" evo points over and above what it already grants.


I want no cheese, that's why I put the question out.

In that case, would using greater evolution surge to add large (4 points) and increase the eidolon's ONLY Str/Con boost (2 additional points) work?


Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:

The Large evolution costs 4 evo points and says that Str and Con Boost evos added to a large eidolon cost double.

My question is: What happens if I use Evolution Surge to add the Large evolution to a Medium Eidolon that has a few Str Boost evos?

Since it's about STR and CON boosts costing double to add to a Large Eidolon, and considering how the evolutions are described as adding during a level up, I think it does nothing special. It works AS IS.

Since it's a spell, it's a temporary effect and it builds off of the existing creature (and the effect can be dispelled, AND you have to use an action to cast it once in battle). The Eidolon only needs to meet the prerequisites, and the evolution can't grant too many attacks.

Thus, you could even use Evolution Surge to give it Large as a 7th level Summoner, by the RAW.

The Large evolution granted through a spell would flatly grant its bonuses and penalties despite whatever the Eidolon has. The Eidolon ALREADY had the ability score bonuses, so you're not actually "adding" the evolutions to an already Large Eidolon. You're adding Large to an already STR/CON boosted Eidolon. Yes, there's a difference.

Finally, and this is just my personal take on it, I would even let the spell grant Large to a small Eidolon.

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