paizo.com Recent Posts in My idea for making a Staff of Parthalanpaizo.com Recent Posts in My idea for making a Staff of Parthalan2011-05-16T23:26:45Z2011-05-16T23:26:45ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of ParthalanLewdburritohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#142011-03-14T20:32:17Z2011-03-14T20:32:17Z<p>I think that until we a get solid explicit statement as to the function of double weapons, we are at an impasse. I am not convinced I cannot use one end in one hand, but there are other who do not agree and the rules seem to support both sides due to vagueness. Until we get an FAQ or Errata on this, I'm leaving it to the GM.</p>I think that until we a get solid explicit statement as to the function of double weapons, we are at an impasse. I am not convinced I cannot use one end in one hand, but there are other who do not agree and the rules seem to support both sides due to vagueness. Until we get an FAQ or Errata on this, I'm leaving it to the GM.Lewdburrito2011-03-14T20:32:17ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of ParthalanPatryn of Elvenshaehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#132011-03-14T22:50:03Z2011-03-14T16:58:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Lewdburrito wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Also, it seems that James Jacobs agrees with the "usable in one hand" interpretation.</p>
<p><a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderRPG/rules/whatActionWouldItTakeToSimplyHoldATwoHandedWeaponInOneHand&page=2#57" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> THREAD </a> </blockquote><p>I don't think he does, actually.
<p>Someone mentioned it, he said, "I didn't remember that rule," and nothing more was said [by him].</p>
<p>He certainly didn't validate the rule, and he hasn't come back to argue about it.</p>
<p>Especially given that the rule is the same as that in 3.5, and is just missing the explanatory note "(such as a human wielding a Small two-bladed sword)".</p>Lewdburrito wrote:Also, it seems that James Jacobs agrees with the "usable in one hand" interpretation.
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I don't think he does, actually. Someone mentioned it, he said, "I didn't remember that rule," and nothing more was said [by him].
He certainly didn't validate the rule, and he hasn't come back to argue about it.
Especially given that the rule is the same as that in 3.5, and is just missing the explanatory note "(such as a human wielding a Small two-bladed sword)".Patryn of Elvenshae2011-03-14T16:58:38ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of ParthalanMahorfeushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#122011-03-14T22:50:02Z2011-03-14T02:43:44Z<p>A creature cannot wield a size-appropriate double weapon with one hand. By RAW, all double weapons are two-handed weapons, and it is impossible to wield a size appropriate two-handed weapon with one hand. </p>
<p>I believe the rule applies to exceptions established by the Inappropriately Sized Weapons section. A Medium creature can wield a Small Two-Handed Weapon as though it were a One-Handed Weapon. If that last rule was not there, then it would mean that a character doing this could get two attacks with just one hand, even at Level 1.</p>
<p>For example, if my Half-Orc were to use a Small Orc Double Axe, he would be able to use both ends of the weapon, giving him a 1d6+Str and 1d6+.5Str attack, with a -2 penalty to both attacks. Since this totally conflicts with the TWF rules of Double weapons, the last rule is there to ensure that this can't happen.</p>
<p>I think. :P</p>A creature cannot wield a size-appropriate double weapon with one hand. By RAW, all double weapons are two-handed weapons, and it is impossible to wield a size appropriate two-handed weapon with one hand.
I believe the rule applies to exceptions established by the Inappropriately Sized Weapons section. A Medium creature can wield a Small Two-Handed Weapon as though it were a One-Handed Weapon. If that last rule was not there, then it would mean that a character doing this could get two...Mahorfeus2011-03-14T02:43:44ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of ParthalanLewdburritohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#112011-03-14T02:03:06Z2011-03-14T02:03:06Z<p>Also, it seems that James Jacobs agrees with the "usable in one hand" interpretation.</p>
<p><a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderRPG/rules/whatActionWouldItTakeToSimplyHoldATwoHandedWeaponInOneHand&page=2#57" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> THREAD </a></p>Also, it seems that James Jacobs agrees with the "usable in one hand" interpretation.
THREADLewdburrito2011-03-14T02:03:06ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of ParthalanLewdburritohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#102011-03-14T01:45:24Z2011-03-14T01:45:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Patryn of Elvenshae wrote:</div><blockquote></p>
<p>Yeah, that applies to things like giants picking up human-sized quarterstaves.</p>
<p>It is not permission to wield a quarterstaff in one hand, if you are not otherwise able to do so. </blockquote><p>Funny, it seems exactly like permission to me. I guess we need an FAQ on it then.Patryn of Elvenshae wrote:Yeah, that applies to things like giants picking up human-sized quarterstaves.
It is not permission to wield a quarterstaff in one hand, if you are not otherwise able to do so.
Funny, it seems exactly like permission to me. I guess we need an FAQ on it then.Lewdburrito2011-03-14T01:45:24ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of ParthalanPatryn of Elvenshaehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#92011-03-14T01:14:10Z2011-03-14T01:14:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Lewdburrito wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Patryn of Elvenshae wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">theveggiejerk wrote:</div><blockquote> you can totally use spell combat as all double weapons can be used one handed.</blockquote><p>How do you figure?
<p>You can't wield a quarterstaff in one hand, and you can't wield a dwarven urgrosh in one hand, etc. </blockquote><p>Below is the text on double weapons from the PRD. Emphasis mine.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">PRD wrote:</div><blockquote></p>
<p>Double Weapons: Dire flails, dwarven urgroshes, gnome hooked hammers, orc double axes, quarterstaves, and two-bladed swords are double weapons. A character can fight with both ends of a double weapon as if fighting with two weapons, but he incurs all the normal attack penalties associated with two-weapon combat, just as though the character were wielding a one-handed weapon and a light weapon.</p>
<p>The character can also choose to use a double weapon two-handed, attacking with only one end of it. <b> A creature wielding a double weapon in one hand can't use it as a double weapon—only one end of the weapon can be used in any given round. </b> </blockquote>You CAN wield a double weapon in one hand, you just have to choose which end you attack with. </blockquote><p>Yeah, that applies to things like giants picking up human-sized quarterstaves.
<p>It is not permission to wield a quarterstaff in one hand, if you are not otherwise able to do so.</p>Lewdburrito wrote:Patryn of Elvenshae wrote: theveggiejerk wrote: you can totally use spell combat as all double weapons can be used one handed.
How do you figure? You can't wield a quarterstaff in one hand, and you can't wield a dwarven urgrosh in one hand, etc. Below is the text on double weapons from the PRD. Emphasis mine. PRD wrote:Double Weapons: Dire flails, dwarven urgroshes, gnome hooked hammers, orc double axes, quarterstaves, and two-bladed swords are double weapons. A character...Patryn of Elvenshae2011-03-14T01:14:10ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of Parthalantheveggiejerkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#82011-03-13T07:08:16Z2011-03-13T07:08:16Z<p>beat me to iit</p>beat me to iittheveggiejerk2011-03-13T07:08:16ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of ParthalanLewdburritohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#72011-03-24T01:34:46Z2011-03-13T01:08:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Patryn of Elvenshae wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">theveggiejerk wrote:</div><blockquote> you can totally use spell combat as all double weapons can be used one handed.</blockquote><p>How do you figure?
<p>You can't wield a quarterstaff in one hand, and you can't wield a dwarven urgrosh in one hand, etc. </blockquote><p>Below is the text on double weapons from the PRD. Emphasis mine.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">PRD wrote:</div><blockquote></p>
<p>Double Weapons: Dire flails, dwarven urgroshes, gnome hooked hammers, orc double axes, quarterstaves, and two-bladed swords are double weapons. A character can fight with both ends of a double weapon as if fighting with two weapons, but he incurs all the normal attack penalties associated with two-weapon combat, just as though the character were wielding a one-handed weapon and a light weapon.</p>
<p>The character can also choose to use a double weapon two-handed, attacking with only one end of it. <b> A creature wielding a double weapon in one hand can't use it as a double weapon—only one end of the weapon can be used in any given round. </b> </blockquote><p>You CAN wield a double weapon in one hand, you just have to choose which end you attack with.Patryn of Elvenshae wrote:theveggiejerk wrote: you can totally use spell combat as all double weapons can be used one handed.
How do you figure? You can't wield a quarterstaff in one hand, and you can't wield a dwarven urgrosh in one hand, etc. Below is the text on double weapons from the PRD. Emphasis mine. PRD wrote:Double Weapons: Dire flails, dwarven urgroshes, gnome hooked hammers, orc double axes, quarterstaves, and two-bladed swords are double weapons. A character can fight with both...Lewdburrito2011-03-13T01:08:59ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of ParthalanPatryn of Elvenshaehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#62011-03-12T23:43:07Z2011-03-12T23:43:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">theveggiejerk wrote:</div><blockquote> you can totally use spell combat as all double weapons can be used one handed.</blockquote><p>How do you figure?
<p>You can't wield a quarterstaff in one hand, and you can't wield a dwarven urgrosh in one hand, etc.</p>theveggiejerk wrote:you can totally use spell combat as all double weapons can be used one handed.
How do you figure? You can't wield a quarterstaff in one hand, and you can't wield a dwarven urgrosh in one hand, etc.Patryn of Elvenshae2011-03-12T23:43:07ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of Parthalantheveggiejerkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#52011-03-12T16:21:26Z2011-03-12T16:21:26Z<p>oh and he totally clonks the baddie with the staff end on the video</p>oh and he totally clonks the baddie with the staff end on the videotheveggiejerk2011-03-12T16:21:26ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of Parthalantheveggiejerkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#42011-03-12T16:15:19Z2011-03-12T16:15:19Z<p>you can totally use spell combat as all double weapons can be used one handed. Just use it one handed on the rounds you want to use that ability. I decided to use the swordstaff stats that @stroval posted on another thread 1d8 (piercing or slashing)/1d6 bludgeoning with a short sword version for dex builds doing 1d6/1d6. I will test this weapon monday and post how it worked. I'm also seeing if my dm will allow these weapons to count as a masterwork quarterstaff so when Itake the craft staff feat and use wand wielder for my weapon making me able to use my weapon 2 handed and use spell combat. I did enhancements for each end and obviously did spell storing on both ends as I think all magi should use spell storing weapons</p>you can totally use spell combat as all double weapons can be used one handed. Just use it one handed on the rounds you want to use that ability. I decided to use the swordstaff stats that @stroval posted on another thread 1d8 (piercing or slashing)/1d6 bludgeoning with a short sword version for dex builds doing 1d6/1d6. I will test this weapon monday and post how it worked. I'm also seeing if my dm will allow these weapons to count as a masterwork quarterstaff so when Itake the craft staff...theveggiejerk2011-03-12T16:15:19ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of ParthalanYuenglingDragonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#32011-03-12T08:22:09Z2011-03-12T08:22:09Z<p>You might want to wait for the Archetypes in the book to come out. The problem with this build is that it would require that you never use Spell Combat since it can't be performed with a two handed weapon.</p>
<p>An archetype that focused on Spellstrike would be of great benefit to this kind of character.</p>You might want to wait for the Archetypes in the book to come out. The problem with this build is that it would require that you never use Spell Combat since it can't be performed with a two handed weapon.
An archetype that focused on Spellstrike would be of great benefit to this kind of character.YuenglingDragon2011-03-12T08:22:09ZRe: Forums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of ParthalanDeadlogichttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#22011-03-12T07:00:27Z2011-03-12T07:00:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">theveggiejerk wrote:</div><blockquote><p> my dm and I are trying tirelessy to make this weapon work for the magus! I don't see it as too difficult or not working for the magus as the wand wielder arcana works on staves and all double weapons can be used one-handed so if you wanted to to use a spell for spell combat just use the staff one-handed as the guy in the video did.
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I'm thinking something like fusing a longsword with a quarterstaff with each end doing that damage. factor in the magical properties of each end separately (like always) and voila magical swordstaff . It's an expensive weapon but it works. I was also thinking of doing the jedi thing and requiring characters to make their own weapons with the blade end being any light or one-handed piercing or slashing weapon. Require 2 weapon fighting fea and I think you got it. any ideas would be greatly appreciated t </blockquote><p>Just give the magus a spell storing glave which is essentialy a blade mounted on a staff. spell storing allows you to cast up to a third level targeting spell into it casting the spell as a free action after you damage an enemy with the glaive. It would not be a double weapon as hawke never really used the blunt end to physically hit an enemy.theveggiejerk wrote:my dm and I are trying tirelessy to make this weapon work for the magus! I don't see it as too difficult or not working for the magus as the wand wielder arcana works on staves and all double weapons can be used one-handed so if you wanted to to use a spell for spell combat just use the staff one-handed as the guy in the video did.
I'm thinking something like fusing a longsword with a quarterstaff with each end doing that damage. factor in the magical properties of each...Deadlogic2011-03-12T07:00:27ZForums: Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion: My idea for making a Staff of Parthalantheveggiejerkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lz86?My-idea-for-making-a-Staff-of-Parthalan#12011-03-09T17:47:15Z2011-03-09T17:47:15Z<p>my dm and I are trying tirelessy to make this weapon work for the magus! I don't see it as too difficult or not working for the magus as the wand wielder arcana works on staves and all double weapons can be used one-handed so if you wanted to to use a spell for spell combat just use the staff one-handed as the guy in the video did.
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I'm thinking something like fusing a longsword with a quarterstaff with each end doing that damage. factor in the magical properties of each end separately (like always) and voila magical swordstaff . It's an expensive weapon but it works. I was also thinking of doing the jedi thing and requiring characters to make their own weapons with the blade end being any light or one-handed piercing or slashing weapon. Require 2 weapon fighting fea and I think you got it. any ideas would be greatly appreciated t</p>my dm and I are trying tirelessy to make this weapon work for the magus! I don't see it as too difficult or not working for the magus as the wand wielder arcana works on staves and all double weapons can be used one-handed so if you wanted to to use a spell for spell combat just use the staff one-handed as the guy in the video did.
I'm thinking something like fusing a longsword with a quarterstaff with each end doing that damage. factor in the magical properties of each end separately (like...theveggiejerk2011-03-09T17:47:15Z