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Some writers have decided that Captain Marvel is physically stronger than Superman...by a little.
Most writers, however, have chosen to interpret things as the magic is the source of Cap's physical strength, but his fists are not actually magical. As a result, there is no difference between Captain Marvel punching Supes and, say, a Daxamite or Kryptonian.
The vulnerability to magic is somewhat open to interpretation.


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Rathendar wrote:

i remember that crossover as well.

i wish to point out that if my memory is correct the matches were put out to the public,and the one that got the most votes won the matchup. the fights were a bit....regrettable in that the writers didn't completely understand whichever character their title didn't work with.

As I recall, there were 11 matches, 6 were decided between the companies with an even split, and 5 were decided by public vote.

Of course the ultimate result was still a status quo.

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wspatterson wrote:

Some writers have decided that Captain Marvel is physically stronger than Superman...by a little.

Most writers, however, have chosen to interpret things as the magic is the source of Cap's physical strength, but his fists are not actually magical. As a result, there is no difference between Captain Marvel punching Supes and, say, a Daxamite or Kryptonian.
The vulnerability to magic is somewhat open to interpretation.

Superman is only vulnerable to magic to the extent that he can't shrug it off like almost anything else. he's not say more vulnerable to it than an average Human.


LazarX wrote:
Superman is only vulnerable to magic to the extent that he can't shrug it off like almost anything else. he's not say more vulnerable to it than an average Human.

...except when he is. :-)

(Hey, these are comics -- you expect them to be consistent?)


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LazarX wrote:
JMD031 wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
JMD031 wrote:
Isn't Black Atom an evil version of Captain Marvel?
Yes
In that case Superman wins until Lex Luther shows up and stabs Superman with a Kryptonite Spear. (See DC Universe trailer)

That would not have worked on the Superman of "Kingdome Come", now designated as the Earth-52 Superman. He's immune to Kryptonite.

Key thing to remember is that the power levels of both Marvel and Kal-El vary according to writer and the story. Marvel has the blessings of Seven Greek Gods, but he's not omnipotent, he's had to struggle to win some of his battles, just the same as Supes. And that includes struggling to make the hard decisions as even the Wisdom of Athena has it's limits. (Athena herself could be petty at times, just like any other Greek God)

LazarX, it's SIX greek gods, not seven... and it's GODS not goddesses. Athena is nowhere in the the "Captain Marvel/SHAZAM!" mix. (Now, Athena might be in Mary Marvel's magic word, very likely in fact... but Athena has nothing to do with Billy Batson becoming the World's Mightiest Mortal. He gets his Wisdom from Solomon... not Athena. (And I know, I know, Solomon isn't a god... but that's who provides Billy with Wisdom).

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Michael Johnson 66 wrote:

What about DC's Aquaman vs. Marvel's Prince Namor/Submariner? I don't know alot about either superhero, but from what little I've read/seen, I'd say Namor wins, but just barely.

Both are really strong, but not sure which is stronger.

Both are equally at home on land or in water, though Aquaman's ability to telepathically control sea creatures could be a big advantage in the sea.

Namor can fly, which I don't think I've ever seen Aquaman do, so that's an obvious advantage.

Both are skilled combatants, but I think Namor is surlier/prouder/more aggressive.

Aquaman wins, hand down: http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lanprdtox21qesfhho1_500.jpg


Fist vs. fist, Namor wins. But Aquaman has a lot more going for him.
Hm, wonder if his powers would let him control Namor?

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Eduardo Godinez wrote:
Michael Johnson 66 wrote:

What about DC's Aquaman vs. Marvel's Prince Namor/Submariner? I don't know alot about either superhero, but from what little I've read/seen, I'd say Namor wins, but just barely.

Both are really strong, but not sure which is stronger.

Both are equally at home on land or in water, though Aquaman's ability to telepathically control sea creatures could be a big advantage in the sea.

Namor can fly, which I don't think I've ever seen Aquaman do, so that's an obvious advantage.

Both are skilled combatants, but I think Namor is surlier/prouder/more aggressive.

Aquaman wins, hand down: Who's useless now

Rock on!


Crimson Jester wrote:
Eduardo Godinez wrote:
Michael Johnson 66 wrote:

What about DC's Aquaman vs. Marvel's Prince Namor/Submariner? I don't know alot about either superhero, but from what little I've read/seen, I'd say Namor wins, but just barely.

Both are really strong, but not sure which is stronger.

Both are equally at home on land or in water, though Aquaman's ability to telepathically control sea creatures could be a big advantage in the sea.

Namor can fly, which I don't think I've ever seen Aquaman do, so that's an obvious advantage.

Both are skilled combatants, but I think Namor is surlier/prouder/more aggressive.

Aquaman wins, hand down: Who's useless now
Rock on!

Iä Iä Arthur Curry fhtagn!

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Rathendar wrote:

My 2 coppers worth of opinion.

While being a fan of both heroes, I believe that unless a comic writer had a need or specific storyline reason for having it be otherwise:

The two of them going all out against each other would have Supes coming out on top.

This.

Rathendar wrote:
i believe flash beat quicksilver as a matchup also (i agree with this one, its at the bottom because i remembered it after typing above)

I believe the Flash is supposed to be considerably faster than Quicksilver. Flash is able to vibrate through walls, go back in time, etc cause of his speed. Never seen or heard of Q doin anything like that.


godsDMit wrote:
Rathendar wrote:

My 2 coppers worth of opinion.

While being a fan of both heroes, I believe that unless a comic writer had a need or specific storyline reason for having it be otherwise:

The two of them going all out against each other would have Supes coming out on top.

This.

Rathendar wrote:
i believe flash beat quicksilver as a matchup also (i agree with this one, its at the bottom because i remembered it after typing above)
I believe the Flash is supposed to be considerably faster than Quicksilver. Flash is able to vibrate through walls, go back in time, etc cause of his speed. Never seen or heard of Q doin anything like that.

Q's top speeds are hypersonic. He's run across the Atlantic and back in a measureable amount of time. The Flash? He can circle the globe over 7 times in a single second, as he can literally attain warp speeds. Much faster than Quicksilver. And that applies to Barry Allen, Wally West, and Bart Allen; even the other speedsters (Jay Gerrick, Max Mercury, Jesse Quick, etc.) can get pretty close to that.


Captain Marvel shouldn't be DC's property. He should be independent, and therefore, anyone should have access to him. There would be quite a lot of different stories written about the hero.


Elton wrote:

Captain Marvel shouldn't be DC's property. He should be independent, and therefore, anyone should have access to him. There would be quite a lot of different stories written about the hero.

Marvel should buy the rights to Captain Marvel, so they can use him where he belongs. Instead, Marvel has a Captain Mar-Vell, a Kree space type warrior that really sucks, and has been dead for awhile now. However, Marvel does now have the rights to Marvel-Man.

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I'm telling you: what Marvel needs to do is buy the rights to Captain DC.


Re: Aquaman
I have never understood why people have felt that Aquaman wasn't much of a superhero- he's ridiculously physically powerful and tough and depending on the writer, his piscine telepathy can be either quite useful or incredibly powerful. Although I'm enjoying him as a weird piscine necromancer right now in Brightest Day.

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Freehold DM wrote:

Re: Aquaman

I have never understood why people have felt that Aquaman wasn't much of a superhero- he's ridiculously physically powerful and tough and depending on the writer, his piscine telepathy can be either quite useful or incredibly powerful. Although I'm enjoying him as a weird piscine necromancer right now in Brightest Day.

That's because for most of the early writings of JLA, most writers didn't make any real use of him unless the JLA had an underwater story. (Kind of like the pilot of Thunderbird 4 during International Rescue's land missions :) They tended to treat him like a fish out of water. (This was lampshaded by Amphibian's frustration with his role in the Squadron Supreme)

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Elton wrote:

Captain Marvel shouldn't be DC's property. He should be independent, and therefore, anyone should have access to him. There would be quite a lot of different stories written about the hero.

Why? DC bought the Shazam Marvel as the end-time settlement of a long time legal dispute with Fawcett. He predates the Kree Warrior by decades.


Leafar the Lost wrote:
Elton wrote:

Captain Marvel shouldn't be DC's property. He should be independent, and therefore, anyone should have access to him. There would be quite a lot of different stories written about the hero.

Marvel should buy the rights to Captain Marvel, so they can use him where he belongs. Instead, Marvel has a Captain Mar-Vell, a Kree space type warrior that really sucks, and has been dead for awhile now. However, Marvel does now have the rights to Marvel-Man.

Wasn't there another Capatin Marvel. She was an Afircan American with light based powers. I know she was a member of the avengers for awhile.

As far as Aquaman. Sorry but he was and is still a joke amoungst the fan boy set. They tried some lame story line crap about how he was the new king arthur or something then he had a hand made of living water he could shape into any weapon.
The they tried to turn auqua lad into a adult hero by makeing him a magic user/warlock combo with magic eyebeams.
All in all the oceans of DC universe are just dumb and need to be ignored.


Aquaman is effing powerfull:

"He could control every creature that lives in the sea. But I don't think either of you know what that really means. Do you know, do you understand, do you have any idea how much life there is in just one single square mile of sea? I don't think you do... and if you multiply that by lots of miles in every direction... I'd never seen anything like it in my whole life... and God as my witness, I hope to never see it again." .

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Steven Tindall wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:
Elton wrote:

Captain Marvel shouldn't be DC's property. He should be independent, and therefore, anyone should have access to him. There would be quite a lot of different stories written about the hero.

Marvel should buy the rights to Captain Marvel, so they can use him where he belongs. Instead, Marvel has a Captain Mar-Vell, a Kree space type warrior that really sucks, and has been dead for awhile now. However, Marvel does now have the rights to Marvel-Man.

Wasn't there another Capatin Marvel. She was an Afircan American with light based powers. I know she was a member of the avengers for awhile.

Monica Rambeau dropped the name and her Avenger's affiliation, and is now known as NextWave, leader of H.A.T.E, Highest Anti-Terrorism Effort. Prior to this she was also known as Photon and Pulsar.

The Kree Captain Mar-Vell has the distinction of being the sole high profile comic book hero who's died and stayed dead. His ghost has appeared to several Marvel heroes and recently he was thought to have returned from the dead. Only it turned out that it was a disguised Skrull who had been stripped of his Skrull memories and made into a sleeper agent. He identified with the role so much however that he abandoned his Skrull roots even after his memories were restored.

The original Captain Mar-Vell never did very well in sales, it's been suspected that the only reason it was published was so that Marvel could keep the trademark on his name.

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FallofCamelot wrote:

The question should be something more like "why are the two biggest boy scouts in the DCU fighting each other?"

They are fighting each other because Captain Marvel is really just a 12 year old boy, and throws temper tantrums and is easy to manipulate. I also can't count the number of times that Superman has been subverted or eclipsed, or poison-ivy'd, or mind controlled, or some-kryptonite-nonsense. Getting them to fight is easy.

And the winner is Captain Marvel, his powers are fueled by magic, to which Superman has a terrible weakness.


Polite disagreement with you on this one Nick.

Superman from my understanding is no more or less vunerable to magic than say batman or green lantern. The fact that it bypasses his godlike DR is why most folks assume he is more vulnerable to magic than most.

He is definatly vulnerable to kryptonite and recieves no save vs that substance but against magic he recieves the normal chance to resist as every other mortal man.

You raise some good points on the maturity of CM and the the mental weakness of sups.

The only thing that comes to mind is the fact that the last time supes was under someones control Wonder Woman snaped his neck like a twig to free her friend from his control.
I don't think the next villan is going to be so ready to try that trick. Maxwell Lord died by the Amazing Amazons hand and stayed dead.
Sorry I'm a huge WW fan and this was a shineing moment for her.


Steven Tindall wrote:

Polite disagreement with you on this one Nick.

Superman from my understanding is no more or less vunerable to magic than say batman or green lantern. The fact that it bypasses his godlike DR is why most folks assume he is more vulnerable to magic than most.

He is definatly vulnerable to kryptonite and recieves no save vs that substance but against magic he recieves the normal chance to resist as every other mortal man.

You raise some good points on the maturity of CM and the the mental weakness of sups.

The only thing that comes to mind is the fact that the last time supes was under someones control Wonder Woman snaped his neck like a twig to free her friend from his control.
I don't think the next villan is going to be so ready to try that trick. Maxwell Lord died by the Amazing Amazons hand and stayed dead.
Sorry I'm a huge WW fan and this was a shineing moment for her.

uhh... max lord is still around dood. He is making trouble for Power Girl right now.

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Did somebody mention Nextwave?

LazarX wrote:
Monica Rambeau dropped the name and her Avenger's affiliation, and is now known as NextWave, leader of H.A.T.E, Highest Anti-Terrorism Effort.

Oh, there it is. I loved Nextwave. Nextwave was actually the team Monica led, not her codename. During her time with the team, she never used a codename. Neither did Aaron Stack (Machine Man,) Tabitha Smith (Boom Boom) or Elsa Bloodstone (Elsa Bloodstone.) The only person who used a codename was The Captain, and that's because he was too drunk to remember his actual name. The team was orginally assembled by H.A.T.E. but jumped ship when they found out the organization was actually a front for The Beyond Corporation, a terrorist megacorporation using the team to field test Ultimate Weapons of Mass Destruction including a clone of Fin Fang Foom and a giant, parasitic, transforming robot samurai. Sadly, Nextwave was cancelled and the exploits of the team were written off as alternate universe hijinks.

So far as I know, Monica has gone back to using the Photon moniker.


Freehold DM wrote:
Steven Tindall wrote:

Polite disagreement with you on this one Nick.

Superman from my understanding is no more or less vunerable to magic than say batman or green lantern. The fact that it bypasses his godlike DR is why most folks assume he is more vulnerable to magic than most.

He is definatly vulnerable to kryptonite and recieves no save vs that substance but against magic he recieves the normal chance to resist as every other mortal man.

You raise some good points on the maturity of CM and the the mental weakness of sups.

The only thing that comes to mind is the fact that the last time supes was under someones control Wonder Woman snaped his neck like a twig to free her friend from his control.
I don't think the next villan is going to be so ready to try that trick. Maxwell Lord died by the Amazing Amazons hand and stayed dead.
Sorry I'm a huge WW fan and this was a shineing moment for her.

uhh... max lord is still around dood. He is making trouble for Power Girl right now.

Bummer, thats what I get for thinking any body would actually STAY dead in a comic book.

Too bad but I suppose that whole brightest day thing had to happen to bring back everybody.
Thanks for the update though.


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Chris Mortika wrote:
A more recent encounter. I particularly like the animation around 1:08, which suggests that the animators used models who knew how to fight.

That's nothing. There's an episode in the 3rd season of JLU called Grudge Match. It's basically centered around Black Canary and Huntress but it has some of the best fight cheorography I've seen in an animated show.

FOUND A CLIP.


Steven Tindall wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:
Elton wrote:

Captain Marvel shouldn't be DC's property. He should be independent, and therefore, anyone should have access to him. There would be quite a lot of different stories written about the hero.

Marvel should buy the rights to Captain Marvel, so they can use him where he belongs. Instead, Marvel has a Captain Mar-Vell, a Kree space type warrior that really sucks, and has been dead for awhile now. However, Marvel does now have the rights to Marvel-Man.

Wasn't there another Capatin Marvel. She was an Afircan American with light based powers. I know she was a member of the avengers for awhile.

As far as Aquaman. Sorry but he was and is still a joke amoungst the fan boy set. They tried some lame story line crap about how he was the new king arthur or something then he had a hand made of living water he could shape into any weapon.
The they tried to turn auqua lad into a adult hero by makeing him a magic user/warlock combo with magic eyebeams.
All in all the oceans of DC universe are just dumb an need to be ignored.

Then let it be known that in most conflicts, the fanboys will be the first to fall.

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