Pathfinder Tales: Master of Devils


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Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Just announced! The cover is a mockup, and will change prior to publication.

Contributor

Return of Jeggare and Radovan - yes!

The Exchange Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6

Glee! Yet another reason for August excitement :)

Dark Archive

Cool cover and yes I know it is a mock up. :)

Owner - House of Books and Games LLC

Return of Dave Gross ... yes! :-)

Dark Archive Contributor

Wait until you see the final artwork. James gave me a peek at it today. I've been blessed with a few great covers in past, but this one leaves them all behind. Acknowledging my obvious bias, I'm tempted to say it's the finest piece of artwork I've yet seen from Paizo ... and that is saying a lot.

Scarab Sages

Having highly enjoyed Prince of Wolves, I have to say I'm looking forward to this. Congrats on your ongoing relationship with Pathfinder Tales, Mr. Gross!


I keep wanting to break out into Metallica's "Master of Puppets" song.

This is entirely your fault Dave.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

When did Varian and Radovan hit Epic level?


Pathfinder Companion, Maps Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Lilith wrote:

I keep wanting to break out into Metallica's "Master of Puppets" song.

This is entirely your fault Dave.

And that is a problem why? ;) I am looking forward to this one.

Dark Archive

A new Varian and Radovan book? YESSSS

Prince of Wolves was such a great book. Looking forward to more awesome tales featuring those two characters.

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Lilith wrote:

I keep wanting to break out into Metallica's "Master of Puppets" song.

This is entirely your fault Dave.

And fixed :p


Yay for more of Count Varian Jeggare and Radovan! And in Tian Xia no less.


Very cool! I'm happy to see the first series begin in the Pathfinder Tales.


When do we get to see this awesome new cover art?!

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Within the month, certainly.

Dark Archive

*Snif*, a "twisted Master of Devils"... you guys finally decided to publish a book featuring me?


Nice. I'm reading the first one now.


A black & white pic is in the back of Worldwound Gambit, let us see the color version!

Dark Archive Contributor

I'll do more of this sort of post closer to the release date, but here are some notes on one of the films that would have inspired Master of Devils if I'd seen it before finishing the manuscript: Detective Dee and the Mystery of the Phantom Flame.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

I've added the finished cover image.

Dark Archive Contributor

Dave Gross wrote:
I'll do more of this sort of post closer to the release date, but here are some notes on one of the films that would have inspired Master of Devils if I'd seen it before finishing the manuscript: Detective Dee and the Mystery of the Phantom Flame.

I've added several more wuxia film recommendations at my blog. Another's coming on Monday.

Dark Archive

Excellent - Prince of Wolves was a great read and was enough to convince me to sign up for a Pathfinder Tales subscription. Looking forward to some Radovan goodness, with his 'big smile'.

Dark Archive

I was present at Paizocon for Mr. Gross to discuss this book, and he mentioned the chronological timing of this book and the next entry in the Pathfinder Chronicles fiction featuring Varian and Radovan.

I forget the order though....

I believe it was Master of Devils, THEN the Jade Regent fiction?

I know it's not important to the stories but I still like to be in order. =) Any help?

Dark Archive Contributor

srd5090 wrote:

I was present at Paizocon for Mr. Gross to discuss this book, and he mentioned the chronological timing of this book and the next entry in the Pathfinder Chronicles fiction featuring Varian and Radovan.

I forget the order though....

I believe it was Master of Devils, THEN the Jade Regent fiction?

I know it's not important to the stories but I still like to be in order. =) Any help?

Let me emphasize that the order in which you read them truly doesn't matter. In fact, the Wayfinder/Web story "A Lesson in Taxonomy" is chronologically the first Varian Jeggare story, but it's much more fun to read it after experiencing the first few tales of Radovan and the Count.

Chronologically it's "A Passage to Absalom" (the web fiction starting next Wednesday), then "Husks" (the AP serial), and then Master of Devils.

I wrote them in reverse chronological order, though, so there's a good argument for going backward.

Dark Archive

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Let me emphasize that the order in which you read them truly doesn't matter. In fact, the Wayfinder/Web story "A Lesson in Taxonomy" is chronologically the first Varian Jeggare story, but it's much more fun to read it after experiencing the first few tales of Radovan and the Count.

Chronologically it's "A Passage to Absalom" (the web fiction starting next Wednesday), then "Husks" (the AP serial), and then Master of Devils.

I wrote them in reverse chronological order, though, so there's a good argument for going backward.

Thank you Dave! That reassures me.

I guess while we are on the subject (and to help those who are also HUGE fans of V&R!), what are the other orders of their stories?

I think we can obviously say Prince of Wolves is before the Tian stories, but before that, does it go A Lesson in Taxonomy -> Hell's Pawns -> Lost Pathfinder -> Prince of Wolves?

I'm OCD about chronological orders...

Liberty's Edge Contributor

I finally posted a review on my blog. I had hoped to get this out before GenCon, so folks would be encouraged to pick up the novel there. Sorry for the delay.

You can read it here.

I didn't post the full review in the "reviews" section, because it's a double-feature post for Prince of Wolves and Master of Devils. It is a very long article.

I will post a link to the same article on Amazon.com when I'm able to enter a review on their website. It's still listed as "unavailable" there.

Paizo Employee Customer Service & Community Manager

I finished reading this on the way out to GenCon and the ending was quite spectacular. The bit with the thing and the stuff was so cool!

Spoiler:
involving the fan.
it did take me a few chapters to get into the plot and style, but turned fantastic quickly!

Liberty's Edge Contributor

I loved the thing and the stuff, too! I lol-ed, actually. ;-)

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Card Game Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
srd5090 wrote:
Quote:

Let me emphasize that the order in which you read them truly doesn't matter. In fact, the Wayfinder/Web story "A Lesson in Taxonomy" is chronologically the first Varian Jeggare story, but it's much more fun to read it after experiencing the first few tales of Radovan and the Count.

Chronologically it's "A Passage to Absalom" (the web fiction starting next Wednesday), then "Husks" (the AP serial), and then Master of Devils.

I wrote them in reverse chronological order, though, so there's a good argument for going backward.

Thank you Dave! That reassures me.

I guess while we are on the subject (and to help those who are also HUGE fans of V&R!), what are the other orders of their stories?

I think we can obviously say Prince of Wolves is before the Tian stories, but before that, does it go A Lesson in Taxonomy -> Hell's Pawns -> Lost Pathfinder -> Prince of Wolves?

I'm OCD about chronological orders...

That's right.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Society Subscriber

I'm wondering if there's any copies out there, besides mine, that had issues with faintly printed pages. They aren't so faint I can't read the pages but there is quite a difference in those pages and other pages.

Liberty's Edge

Chris Ballard wrote:
I'm wondering if there's any copies out there, besides mine, that had issues with faintly printed pages. They aren't so faint I can't read the pages but there is quite a difference in those pages and other pages.

Precisely ONE page of mine had this problem, so I know what you are talking about, at least.

Dark Archive

I checked mine and it has a number of pages where the text looks a lot more like very dark grey than black. I could tell some text was lighter than other text. None of it is so light as to be hard to read though.


Chris Ballard wrote:
I'm wondering if there's any copies out there, besides mine, that had issues with faintly printed pages. They aren't so faint I can't read the pages but there is quite a difference in those pages and other pages.

That's a printer error. The inking looks good on all the copies I've seen. I'll alert customer service to this and see if they can't take care of you.

Paizo Employee Customer Service & Community Manager

Christopher Paul Carey wrote:
Chris Ballard wrote:
I'm wondering if there's any copies out there, besides mine, that had issues with faintly printed pages. They aren't so faint I can't read the pages but there is quite a difference in those pages and other pages.
That's a printer error. The inking looks good on all the copies I've seen. I'll alert customer service to this and see if they can't take care of you.

Email sent :D

Thanks for bringing this to my attention Chris!

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Society Subscriber

Just wanted to let you all know in case any one else had the same issue.

Owner - House of Books and Games LLC

Mine's certainly not illegible, but the print is noticeably weird.


Same here. Some pages are very faint, not unreadable but faint.

That said, it's a great book so far. I bow to Dave's knowledge of eastern movies and tropes. Great fun!

Owner - House of Books and Games LLC

Thanael wrote:

Same here. Some pages are very faint, not unreadable but faint.

That said, it's a great book so far. I bow to Dave's knowledge of eastern movies and tropes. Great fun!

I agree. This is definitely one of my favorites; I'm just under half done and it's going fast.


So now for the nerdy part. I know i know it's a novel and doesn't have to 100% follow the PF rules, but indulge me.

Radovan was revealed to be a CL7 (rog5/mnk2) character in KQ14. I don't know at which point in the novels/stories that is but it feels about right for before Prince of Wolves. Now in Master of Devils without doubt both Jeggare and Radovan gain a few levels, learning some monkish skills...

Spoiler:
...and in Jeggare's case arcane too unless I'm mistaken.

For example Radovan learns the High Jump monk skill (mmk5) and later Abundant Step (mnk12!)and even Quivering Palm(mnk15!!!). Is he really a 15 the level monk at the end of the novel then? On top of his rogue levels? Or is there a spell or a function of his devil-side that allows him to gain those skills?

This would mean a significant increase of character level between the novels, which i just can't really . It breaks suspension of disbelief at bit for the continuity imho. No doubt the novel is a great fun high level adventure but i can't quite wrap my head around that crass shift of power level of the protagonists.

Dark Archive Contributor

Thanael wrote:

So now for the nerdy part. I know i know it's a novel and doesn't have to 100% follow the PF rules, but indulge me.

** spoiler omitted **

Another look at Chapter Six might answer your question, but if not I'll give you the blunt answer if you can join us on the 29th.

Master of Devils Chat
Monday, August 29, 9:00 ET, 6:00 PT

To join the chat, point your browser to chat.dmtools.org, choose a screen name, and type /join PFTales.


Thanks for the answer Dave. I reread chapter 6 , but i still don't get it.

Spoiler:
How does he get access to Quivering Palm, when a few days/weeks/months before he just learned High Jump ?

Will see if I can make the chat.

BTW Dave, i read on your facebook page that you're searching for a reasonably priced copy of Snake in Eagle's Shadow. I do hope you have at least seen the film, or did you really not? It's a great classic, and has been broadcast on TV here in Germany quite a few times.

Dark Archive Contributor

Thanael wrote:
BTW Dave, i read on your facebook page that you're searching for a reasonably priced copy of Snake in Eagle's Shadow. I do hope you have at least seen the film, or did you really not? It's a great classic, and has been broadcast on TV here in Germany quite a few times.

No, I still haven't seen this movie, I've only read about it and viewed a few scenes. It's one of the remaining major gaps in my wuxia movie education.

If you don't catch me in the chat room Monday night, you can find me there on and off much of the time. Just shoot me a message, and I'll give you that straight answer, assuming no one else has done so before then.

Dark Archive Contributor

Thanael wrote:
BTW Dave, i read on your facebook page that you're searching for a reasonably priced copy of Snake in Eagle's Shadow. I do hope you have at least seen the film, or did you really not? It's a great classic, and has been broadcast on TV here in Germany quite a few times.

Also, Flames Rising has posted five more of my kung fu movie recommendations. I'll resume my regular blog recommendations soon.


Well I couldn't make it to the chat. Care to let the cat out of the bag, Dave?

Dark Archive Contributor

Thanael wrote:
Well I couldn't make it to the chat. Care to let the cat out of the bag, Dave?

The chat's still about six hours away. If you still can't make it, I'll respond under a spoiler-tag, but it's a BIG spoiler for those who haven't read the book. If you come to the chat room soon, you might catch me while I'm hanging out and eating my lunch for the next little while. Go to chat.dmtools.org and pick a username.

Dark Archive Contributor

Thanael wrote:

So now for the nerdy part. I know i know it's a novel and doesn't have to 100% follow the PF rules, but indulge me....

** spoiler omitted **

Big Damned Spoilers:

Radovan isn't really learning those high-level skills; rather, Burning Cloud Devil is using magic to "imprint" them on him, much in the same way that he controls Radovan's body from afar. This works only by virtue of Radovan's "big and ugly" state; to make this work, BCD needs not just a hellspawn but one currently trapped in a full-devil body. Radovan is uniquely suited to this role.

Thus, once he's shed of the big devil body, and while he may have picked up a few things along the way, Radovan's not walking off with the power to perform those high-level monk abilities. They died with the big devil he was stuck inside.

Scarab Sages

Awesome book. Best to date. Thanks Dave.

Sovereign Court

Written a review (summary: I really like the book).

I personally don't care about any speedy advance in power that wouldn't happen in-game, because the rules aren't written to make good fiction.


I loved this book! I ESPECIALLY love the appearance of my favorite simian demigod as I never get enough of him in any sorts of media. I've been wanting to read an asian-themed fantasy D&D story since I've started playing so I'm grateful you wrote it.

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