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Aranna wrote:
Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:
Because we've evolved beyond our primal instincts. We're also naturally ingrained to mount every female we find attractive whether they want it or not, but it doesn't make it a good idea.
Did you just somehow relate people's habit of evaluating things on surface appearances... With rape!?

indeed, this is a poor correlation at best.


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Keeping clothes on for this one.


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DSXMachina wrote:

Yup, this saturday after a FHDM-style drinking session (:P). I got the bus back into town, just in time to miss the bus home by 4 minutes.... then waited around a bit to ensure it'd gone & wasn't just late. Thus I headed for the train which left just as I'd entered the station.

So due to them both being hourly services, I ended up walking the 2-4 miles home. :)

woooooooooow....


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I don't think TheMisterGreenintheconservatorywiththeknifegamer was trying to go that far with it. Merely that we do stupid things to get laid without thinking of the consequences. Such as cheating on someone, or jumping off a roof to impress someone.


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Aranna wrote:
Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:
Because we've evolved beyond our primal instincts. We're also naturally ingrained to mount every female we find attractive whether they want it or not, but it doesn't make it a good idea.
Did you just somehow relate people's habit of evaluating things on surface appearances... With rape!?

I will defend him only insofar as Americans' utter obsession with vehicular excess is a hot-button issue with many of us:

(1) I would like a minivan
(2) I will not purchase a vehicle that gets under 40 mpg. Period.
(3) Toyota manufactures a 44 mpg Toyota Estima in Japan
(4) Toyota will not bring this vehicle to the U.S., EVER, because "American consumers will not purchase it because it doesn't have enough power"

So there's a long-standing frustration with the concept that U.S. consumers cannot possibly overcome their base instincts and *ever* do anything sensible.

The standard knee-jerk reaction to this is to, yes, point out that rape is a "base instinct" that we have overcome (for the most part), so couldn't we strive for more and overcome some of our other "base" instincts such as sacrificing appearance for practicality?

And the answer is a very depressing, "No. Never," leading to some extreme comparisons.


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Soooooooooooooo... me talking about saving money on cars (which, by the way, if you want to purchase a new car, so long as it is financially responsible, more power to you) was not meant to take the dark turn the conversation was pointed toward. I do agree with CY's general assessment of the Christmasfacefuzz/sipper's comment (it was my take on it, though I felt it was needlessly dark enough already) though I can see alternate interpretations... buuu~uuuut until and unless he clarifies, we're left only with our confirmation bias at work, so... let's not.

I will say that, in general, I find not just American, but human tendencies to be obsessive about their appearance to be shallow and needless. I do think that appearance can be important - but it is often over-emphasized and focused upon for the wrong reasons. If a society decides to value a certain dress code, so be it, but if that dress code is stupid, impractical, or irritating, I'm probably going to ignore it in favor of practicality, comfort, and pleasantness. There are always limits, of course, but there's a needless amount of over-focus, in general, on appearance and specific dress codes to achieve specific psychological effects in many cases.

To use the previous example - who cares, really, if you're thought of as "sporty"? Why, in fact, would you ever want to be thought of as "sporty"? Especially, if you're not? Sure, it makes for a great comedy (even romantic comedy), but in general if you appear to be something you're not, and this is discovered (which usually is hard to avoid, unless you just don't talk to people, in which case you appear asocial and a little like a jerk) most people will be confused, disappointed, or otherwise negatively influenced toward you (as you now look at least a little like a poser).

It's possible you just want the respect of certain people, but it seems, in general, that actually finding common interests and sharing those is more important than faking it, to me. The other way is forced and artificial. Hence, to me, "I'm going to spend an excessive amount of money to appear to be something I'm not for the purpose of gaining influence with people that don't share common interests with me." is not something I aspire to do. Others may feel differently - different people are wired in different ways, and raised in even more diverse ways still.

These all create an anarchic but sometimes coherent flow of trends - some are innate, some are social, some should be (sometimes) avoided, and some should be (sometimes) embraced. Whether or not a thing should be avoided or embraced is a topic that philsophers, moralists, religions, ethicists, thinkers, musicians, artists, writers, fashionistas, nobility, commoners, merchants, and internet posters have been arguing about since such communication could be accomplished.

But it'd be cool if we found a cheaper and more eco-friendly way of doing fuel and civilization and fashion and whatnot - we're just not quite there yet (though we're not there quite yet). But never, ever, ever feel compelled to spend money for the purpose of "keeping up" with others. That's wasteful and can and will get you in trouble without making your life better in any measurable way.

(Note: if you actually need a new car, this is something entirely different. Be financially responsible.)


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But what about Clue man! Who did it? With what? And where?


Eddie Valiant wrote:
But what about Clue man! Who did it? With what? And where?

Mrs. Scarlet.

EDIt: I actually like the third ending best, but according to that guy, it's Mrs. Scarlet. :)


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NobodysHome wrote:

Yeah, I can pretty much expect a once-a-week ritual:

8:02 am: NobodysWife steps out the door to catch the 8:08 bus at the stop about 50 yards from our house
8:20 am: NobodysWife calls to warn me the bus hasn't shown up... again...
8:40 am: NobodysWife comes running in, swearing, because neither the 8:08 nor 8:38 buses bothered to show up
8:45 am: I drop NobodysWife at BART, where she renews her hatred of humanity. I like to think of BART during rush hour as, "You know those Japanese trains where professional shovers pack everyone in so tightly they can't even move their arms? Try that with a group of people with no sense of personal hygiene, propriety, or the capability of doing anything quietly..."

Document the time, date, and line every single time this happens, and email AC Transit with that information. They might well ignore you at forst, but keep doing it. Start calling them whenever it happens. My experience is that you'll eventually get their attention, and which point you can figure out what's going on. If AC Transit is anything like VTA, it's actually pretty possible they don't even realize they have a problem.


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Rosita the Riveter wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Yeah, I can pretty much expect a once-a-week ritual:

8:02 am: NobodysWife steps out the door to catch the 8:08 bus at the stop about 50 yards from our house
8:20 am: NobodysWife calls to warn me the bus hasn't shown up... again...
8:40 am: NobodysWife comes running in, swearing, because neither the 8:08 nor 8:38 buses bothered to show up
8:45 am: I drop NobodysWife at BART, where she renews her hatred of humanity. I like to think of BART during rush hour as, "You know those Japanese trains where professional shovers pack everyone in so tightly they can't even move their arms? Try that with a group of people with no sense of personal hygiene, propriety, or the capability of doing anything quietly..."
Document the time, date, and line every single time this happens, and email AC Transit with that information. They might well ignore you at forst, but keep doing it. Start calling them whenever it happens. My experience is that you'll eventually get their attention, and which point you can figure out what's going on. If AC Transit is anything like VTA, it's actually pretty possible they don't even realize they have a problem.

I complain regularly to the mta when they are late. They send letters to me apologizing and stating when and where they are late that I can show to an employer.


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Yay! The schedule for American Players Theatre came in the mail!

I love me some classic live theatre! This summer they're doing The Comedy of Errors, Death of a Salesman, An Ideal Husband, Arcadia, and King Lear

And that's just the outside theatre!


AWESOME, CY~!


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*sniff*

Sadly, it seems live theatre was defeated in early voting by the Renaissance Fair.

So much for a cultured and refined summer. Drunk a*!!*%&s in armor and stupid f~@$ing costumes it is.

Yes, I realize every renaissance fair isn't like that,but I live in Miller Country.

I may be a tad bitter about it.


captain yesterday wrote:

*sniff*

Sadly, it seems live theatre was defeated in early voting by the Renaissance Fair.

... also acceptable (to me).

captain yesterday wrote:
So much for a cultured and refined summer.

Well that doesn't necessarily follo-

captain yesterday wrote:
Drunk a&!#~&%s in armor and stupid f$#+ing costumes it is.

- hey! I'll have you know tha-

captain yesterday wrote:
Yes, I realize every renaissance fair isn't like that,but I live in Miller Country.

Oh. Ooooohhhh no. I'm so sorry.

captain yesterday wrote:
I may be a tad bitter about it.

That is understandable.


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I might just drag them there anyway, it's not too far away.

unlike the renaissance fair...


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Ouch! Hurt my hand fixing the bike (the peddle came off on the General's ride to work this morning) something tendon related in the meaty part between the thumb and finger.

Oh well, I'll be fine. :-)


Sorry, CY! That sucks! :(

I mean, not the part where you'll be fine. That's the good part.


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Time. I need it. More, I mean.

Perhaps one mythic time stop per round plus continuous mythic haste? That'd get close to starting to allow me to do what I need to. Though I'd need to combine that with a ring of sustenance and continuous keep watch, along with pleeeeennnnntyyy of Sun Orchid Elixir to hang around long enough to accomplish everything.

Also I'd need an internet connection that works while within the mythic time stop. And computer. And... you know, I'd probably just need an entire demiplane dedicated to exactly this. Ooh! Ooh! I got it!

First, I do the demiplane, where time goes faster inside the demiplane than out of it (so, for example, two days inside equals one day outside and if I could push that up to a year or so per day, that'd be greeaaaat) that also had a pseudo-computer system and internet connection, and then do all the stuff mentioned above - the pseudo-computer system and internet connection would, of course, function exactly like it had up-to-the-relative-moment access, and then automatically update everywhere once the mythic time stop was completed for that round!

Nothing Actually wrote:
"And lo, suddenly, every post was but Tacticslion. And many favorites were had that day. And there was much rejoicing and weeping."


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This evening, I'm going to buy a Hungarian sabre, made by an actual Hungarian, from another actual Hungarian.

How many Hungarians?

Spoiler:

Two. Sabres aren't people


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Weird hand injury.

Hurt like hell last night, so much so, I actually took ibuprofen to help (I don't believe in painkillers, unless absolutely necessary) and then this morning.

Nothing. No residual soreness, no hindrance of movement. Just good ole handy, ready to go.


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Ph-phhhhhhrasing.


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captain yesterday wrote:

Weird hand injury.

Hurt like hell last night, so much so, I actually took ibuprofen to help (I don't believe in painkillers, unless absolutely necessary) and then this morning.

Nothing. No residual soreness, no hindrance of movement. Just good ole handy, ready to go.

Our hands are actually quite resilient. They often just need time to recover.


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Absolutely, usually there's a bit of residual soreness or something.

Not that I'm complaining. :-)


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First, warm spring sunshine with just enough of a breeze to make things pleasant.

Then rain

Then warm spring sunshine

Then sleet

Then warm spring sunshine

Then blizzard

Then warm spring sunshine and blizzard at the same time.

Stop sodding about and make your bleeding mind up!


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We had that type of storm a few weeks ago. It was pretty f!!&ed up. :-)


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So we're getting second hand weather, too?!

Silver Crusade

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Freehold DM wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

Weird hand injury.

Hurt like hell last night, so much so, I actually took ibuprofen to help (I don't believe in painkillers, unless absolutely necessary) and then this morning.

Nothing. No residual soreness, no hindrance of movement. Just good ole handy, ready to go.

Our hands are actually quite resilient. They often just need time to recover.

My hand is still a little f%#!ed up from the shower incident over a year ago. The scar tissue is likely to continue to adhere to the tendon for the foreseeable future. It's functional, but... Not quite right.


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Limeylongears wrote:
So we're getting second hand weather, too?!

I don't know, the Atlantic has it's own share of weather shenanigans. I'll have to keep a better eye on the jet stream as it crosses.

Weather is fun!

Silver Crusade

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Tacticslion wrote:
Ph-phhhhhhrasing.

Maybe you could give him a hand with it?


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Nope.


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I can...[*snicker*] hand-le [*snicker*] things on my own, or with assistance from the general.


Tacticslion wrote:
Ph-phhhhhhrasing.
Celestial Healer wrote:
Maybe you could give him a hand with it?
captain yesterday wrote:
Nope.

Definitely nope. Not even for healing purposes*.

No, I didn't go for that one - I went for the less-obvious choice, though I can't find the actual quote I was looking for, alas...

captain yesterday wrote:
I can...[*snicker*] hand-le [*snicker*] things on my own, or with assistance from the general.

Aaaaannnnnd scene.


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My new job is surprisingly easy. Their standards for quality are high, but it's so easy I'm amazed people don't make it...yet the temp turnover is so high! (Its temp to hire) Hired employees tend to stick around a while.

Then again, when they have to take time during orientation to point out that your pants should fit and your belt should be at your waist and your bra shouldn't be visible, etc, I understand the quality of humanity they are used to dealing with.

I'm gonna be a manager in under a year at this rate. Other new employees are asking me to explain to them the stuff the trainers just explained to them.


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Crap! I forgot when I put the lemon bars in the oven...


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thegreenteagamer wrote:

My new job is surprisingly easy. Their standards for quality are high, but it's so easy I'm amazed people don't make it...yet the temp turnover is so high! (Its temp to hire) Hired employees tend to stick around a while.

Then again, when they have to take time during orientation to point out that your pants should fit and your belt should be at your waist and your bra shouldn't be visible, etc, I understand the quality of humanity they are used to dealing with.

I'm gonna be a manager in under a year at this rate. Other new employees are asking me to explain to them the stuff the trainers just explained to them.

Yeah, unfortunately, sometimes you get hit with the "other end of the stick" when it comes to gross incompetence.

Our utterly-wonderful choir teacher has an opportunity to bring all the choirs to meet with the composer of one of their favorite performance pieces and have a Q&A with him. Unfortunately, she's scheduled to proctor the AP French exam at that time. So she's looking for help.

Well, apparently, having a Ph.D., 10 years of college teaching experience, and experience proctoring multi-class exams at the University of California and Saint Mary's College of Moraga is insufficient experience to be able to proctor a high school AP exam.

The rule is simple: "A substitute proctor must have previously proctored a World Language AP exam."

I understand the absolutist nature of it. "We vet our proctors, and we don't want to have to do extra work to vet someone new just for a substitute gig."

On the other hand, being told I'm unqualified to proctor a high school exam is... a teensy bit grating...


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Tacticslion wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Ph-phhhhhhrasing.
Celestial Healer wrote:
Maybe you could give him a hand with it?
captain yesterday wrote:
Nope.

Definitely nope. Not even for healing purposes*.

No, I didn't go for that one - I went for the less-obvious choice, though I can't find the actual quote I was looking for, alas...

captain yesterday wrote:
I can...[*snicker*] hand-le [*snicker*] things on my own, or with assistance from the general.
Aaaaannnnnd scene.

[Yakko Warner]Goodnight everybody![/Yakko Warner]


Oh, FaWtL: I'm so grateful. Able to bring a smile and a laugh, even when people are... less than reasonable. It's bizarre: people can be intelligent, well-educated, and well-spoken... but be shockingly reactionary and irritable in the face of... calm disagreement? Improper word choice? I suppose it's related to other aspects in their lives, but it always comes as a surprise when you regard someone well and they just... don't quite live up to that. Human nature one supposes. And now I ramble. To end on a happier note: soccor is today! And good luck with the lemons, Cap!


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Turned out perfect! Gotta love a dog that loves baked goods so much, he starts begging at the oven when it's almost done. :-)


Woo!


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My new favorite thread, is the one where they want a ring that turns people into songbirds banned for PFS. Because a few people have figured ouut how to optimize pecking faces off with it.

Pure gold!

Not as exciting as Adamantine Golems with soft dainty hands forced to slap people with gauntlets mind you, but still, good stuff!


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Celestial Healer wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

Weird hand injury.

Hurt like hell last night, so much so, I actually took ibuprofen to help (I don't believe in painkillers, unless absolutely necessary) and then this morning.

Nothing. No residual soreness, no hindrance of movement. Just good ole handy, ready to go.

Our hands are actually quite resilient. They often just need time to recover.
My hand is still a little f~#%ed up from the shower incident over a year ago. The scar tissue is likely to continue to adhere to the tendon for the foreseeable future. It's functional, but... Not quite right.

if I ever get the ability to cast divine spells, you will be my third use of the greater restoration spell.


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Orthos wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Ph-phhhhhhrasing.
Celestial Healer wrote:
Maybe you could give him a hand with it?
captain yesterday wrote:
Nope.

Definitely nope. Not even for healing purposes*.

No, I didn't go for that one - I went for the less-obvious choice, though I can't find the actual quote I was looking for, alas...

captain yesterday wrote:
I can...[*snicker*] hand-le [*snicker*] things on my own, or with assistance from the general.
Aaaaannnnnd scene.
[Yakko Warner]Goodnight everybody![/Yakko Warner]

I was more thinking Archer...


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captain yesterday wrote:

My new favorite thread, is the one where they want a ring that turns people into songbirds banned for PFS. Because a few people have figured ouut how to optimize pecking faces off with it.

Pure gold!

Not as exciting as Adamantine Golems with soft dainty hands forced to slap people with gauntlets mind you, but still, good stuff!

Hmmm... something something adamantine pecker...

Edit: Which is totally incompatible with an ironwood spell


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Hmm, there has to be some sort of metal shaping spell, I certainly can't go around with it looking like this.


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NobodysHome wrote:
On the other hand, being told I'm unqualified to proctor a high school exam is... a teensy bit grating...

I'm sorry, sir.

I empathize.

Having been turned away from jobs because, "You're over qualified." feels just as grating, especially when there are no other options for jobs.

EDIT: making language clarification. And editing for appearance while I'm there.


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I feel like a filthy traitor. I have discovered that I rather like Savage Worlds, and that, with my insane school and work schedule, I would much prefer to GM Savage Worlds than to GM Pathfinder. It's not that I don't like Pathfinder, it's that Savage Worlds takes so much less time that I can actually fit gaming into my schedule. And, to be honest, while I love character generation in Pathfinder, that's really my favorite part, more so than actual play. I feel almost like I stabbed Paizo in the back.


Rosita the Riveter wrote:
I feel like a filthy traitor. I have discovered that I rather like Savage Worlds, and that, with my insane school and work schedule, I would much prefer to GM Savage Worlds than to GM Pathfinder. It's not that I don't like Pathfinder, it's that Savage Worlds takes so much less time that I can actually fit gaming into my schedule. And, to be honest, while I love character generation in Pathfinder, that's really my favorite part, more so than actual play. I feel almost like I stabbed Paizo in the back.

You are not a traitor* (or, I presume, filthy), and you did not stab anyone in the back*

* To my knowledge, which, I suppose I should admit, is quite limited to exclusively what you've presented to us, here.

Paizo is awesome... and increasingly exceptionally complex!

Go forth, rejoice, and enjoy! And return to Paizo when it is right for you to do so! (But, uh, feel free to hang around the forums anyway.) :D


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Pea Bear has used her Bill Cypher-esque earrings (the pyramid and eye in the middle) to convince key people (I.e. dumb boys) at her school that she's part of the Illuminati.

*sniff*sniff* that's my little girl!... that turns 12 on Saturday..


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Tacticslion wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
On the other hand, being told I'm unqualified to proctor a high school exam is... a teensy bit grating...

I'm sorry, sir.

I empathize.

Having been turned away from jobs because, "You're over qualified." feels just as grating, especially when there are no other options for jobs.

EDIT: making language clarification. And editing for appearance while I'm there.

Oh, that's NOTHING compared to, "I can't date you! You're too nice!"

EDIT: True story: I had half a dozen very close female friends in high school. But I didn't have my first kiss until I was 19. (After Tim Armstrong gave me my first mohawk and I started wearing leathers and steel-toed boots.) Dating in high school? Nonexistent for me... because whenever I asked, I was told I was "too nice"...
...and now NobodysWife's friends all say, "You're so lucky! NobodysHome is SOOOOOO nice!"

Bitter, much? Naaaaah....


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"You're too small to work here" always pissed me off.

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