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I got to level 72 got some nice weapons (Mayhem 1), finished all the DLCs, and uninstalled the game already.

I already sank... *checks Steam* 111.9 hours into it. Thanks for the offer but I don't really feel like spending more time repeating the content just to farm better gear or restart the game with a new character.


Drejk wrote:
GM_Beernorg wrote:
Drejk wrote:
I have finished the last (out of order) DLC for Borderlands 3. There were some unfinished side quests, including one annoying boss that killed me multiple times and I wasn't going to farm suitable weapons nor trying other builds to fight her.
Betting you mean the terror that is Hemovorous the varkid queen. She is worth it on decent mayhem levels due to the good dedicated legendary drops, but she is a pain in the arse to kill. I have an armory the gods themselves would envy in that game, what mayhem level and character level/type you doing Drejk, I could send you some weapons and such. Heck, we could coop if you want, I have plenty of badarse level 72 characters.
I forgot about Hemovorous, actually. I referred to The Seer that is at the end (I presume) of the Ava's Mysteriouslier quest chain, which was a tedious damage sponge for me in her second and third phase, despite setting my element to corrosion. Her stream of projectiles was terribly annoying often not giving me enough time to hide behind the cover, especially when I was busy having to kill her summoned minions to not get killed by them.

AHH Ava's Murder Mysteries, the Seer can be a bugger too, with all his minons.


Drejk wrote:

I got to level 72 got some nice weapons (Mayhem 1), finished all the DLCs, and uninstalled the game already.

I already sank... *checks Steam* 111.9 hours into it. Thanks for the offer but I don't really feel like spending more time repeating the content just to farm better gear or restart the game with a new character.

LoL Drejk, fair nuff, 2,030 hours in for me, but that is 10 level 72's best of being mayhem 4-5.


Freehold DM wrote:

So.

Just found out I am horrifically diabetic.

Changing diet as of today.

Yikes - that's no good. It can be managed pretty well, though, I believe (ALL (DE)'s Mum has had for a great while, and my Dad was warned recently that he was pre-diabetic, so he's doing the same as you)


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Freehold DM wrote:
Drejk wrote:
This means cutting on alcohol consumption, Freehold.
sends a bottle of Freehold Tears to Poland

Whiskey has no sugar.


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Also, Drejk is missing his scales.

Sovereign Court

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"Is it really 'missing scales', though, or just missing the 'modesty markers' that no-scales like to use to cover up their lack of scales?"


From today's Dallas Morning Snooze:

"Dallas County reported 6,310 new COVID-19 cases Thursday, the highest single-day total that’s been recorded since the pandemic began, County Judge Clay Jenkins said."

Dallas sucks.


About to go home. Good night, everyone.


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lisamarlene wrote:

From today's Dallas Morning Snooze:

"Dallas County reported 6,310 new COVID-19 cases Thursday, the highest single-day total that’s been recorded since the pandemic began, County Judge Clay Jenkins said."

Dallas sucks.

Illinois as a whole reported 44K+ Thursday. Also the highest single-day total since the pandemic began.

That's not a good sign.

I don't care if it's a 'quicker hitter' driving the numbers, ninety percent of the hospitalizations are um-vaccinated here as of the last count.


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We're vaccinated, wear masks in inside, and we're about to get our booster shots.

So I don't really pay attention to how it's spreading locally.

Of course, my job right now is almost completely devoid of human interaction so I can be obnoxious like that. If I had to deal with people every day I would probably pay more attention.

Sovereign Court

*Conquers this thread, maintaining government procedures.*


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It's snowing.

I am drinking tea.

Will be taking a long walk for lunch.

Monday is my last day at this job.

The feels.

Sovereign Court

*Obliterates Freehold DM, to save them the hassle of going to work.*


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captain yesterday wrote:

We're vaccinated, wear masks in inside, and we're about to get our booster shots.

So I don't really pay attention to how it's spreading locally.

Of course, my job right now is almost completely devoid of human interaction so I can be obnoxious like that. If I had to deal with people every day I would probably pay more attention.

Beware the others getting boosters.

While we're still wondering how Impus Major got a breakthrough case, his timeline indicates it was right around the day he went to the pharmacy for his booster.

And has anyone else noticed that someone's trying to conquer the thread?

I suppose someone's got to herd the cats.

Except it's more like a 50/50 mix of hungry cats and squirrels on meth.

Good luck to you, oh would-be overlord!


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And speaking of pesky rodents, apparently even the smell of cats is enough to drive them away.

We lost our last solid ratter back in 2013, though Calico Who Hates the World was feral for a year so I'm sure if she met a rat it wouldn't be pretty (for the rat). Yet I just read a local news article that our unprecedented rain is causing a massive flood of rodents into people's houses.

Haven't seen nor heard a one, and the cats aren't showing any particular interest in the closed-off portions of the house. So I believe we're invasion-free, and it's most likely because the house reeks of 20 years of cat ownership... at least hopefully only to the rodents.


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NobodysHome wrote:

...

And has anyone else noticed that someone's trying to conquer the thread?

...

If they had any real chance of doing so, then I might start being concerned.


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I am often imitated, never duplicated.


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NobodysHome wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

We're vaccinated, wear masks in inside, and we're about to get our booster shots.

So I don't really pay attention to how it's spreading locally.

Of course, my job right now is almost completely devoid of human interaction so I can be obnoxious like that. If I had to deal with people every day I would probably pay more attention.

Beware the others getting boosters.

While we're still wondering how Impus Major got a breakthrough case, his timeline indicates it was right around the day he went to the pharmacy for his booster.

And has anyone else noticed that someone's trying to conquer the thread?

I suppose someone's got to herd the cats.

Except it's more like a 50/50 mix of hungry cats and squirrels on meth.

Good luck to you, oh would-be overlord!

I've been social distancing and minimizing human contact during winter for years so we'll probably be fine.

That said, the General always picks the earliest appointment possible on a Saturday as unless you have to work no one wakes up early on a Saturday, especially to go to the doctor's office.

So hopefully we get in before everyone has a chance to spread their germs.


KING FREEHOLD wrote:
I am often imitated, never duplicated.

Well, you say that...


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KING FREEHOLD wrote:
I am often imitated, never duplicated.

Shambles in.

Papa?!!


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G#$~!#n. Sidney Poitier. 94 years old, a good long and trailblazing life.


:(

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Well, out of the last five game days scheduled, if we include one that was planned for tomorrow night, three of them were derailed by COVID exposure scares or just general sickness by one or more of the members or their family, myself included.

Out of the last dozen, this makes six times we had to cancel the game... it's just so depressing and makes my heart yearn for my college days when I would be able to game two nights a week for months at a time with only the rare instance of one person needing to cancel which instead resulted in just putting them on autopilot under the control of a friend.


Themetricsystem wrote:

Well, out of the last five game days scheduled, if we include one that was planned for tomorrow night, three of them were derailed by COVID exposure scares or just general sickness by one or more of the members or their family, myself included.

Out of the last dozen, this makes six times we had to cancel the game... it's just so depressing and makes my heart yearn for my college days when I would be able to game two nights a week for months at a time with only the rare instance of one person needing to cancel which instead resulted in just putting them on autopilot under the control of a friend.

Ouch. Do you do remote, or does it not work for you?

We've fallen back to, "If anyone's been exposed, remote game until tests come back," and it's saved us from missing a LOT of sessions.

But I know remote gaming isn't for everyone.


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In other COVID entertainment, we just got notification that Impus Minor has been exposed to a classmate who tested positive, and we should get him tested in 5 days...
...which happens to be Wednesday, which happens to be when we've scheduled the entire family to go in for PCR tests to ensure we're all finally clean.

Look at me, being prescient and all...

And I'll be clear: With Impus Major's myocarditis we're going to be incredibly careful with him and exposure for the next couple of months, but Impus Minor's entire existence is a typical 17-year-old boy: Wake up, grunt at the family on your way out the door, come home, grunt at the family, lock yourself in your room. Repeat. We're more at risk from people on the street than we are from Impus Minor because he avoids all of us so effectively. I'll just make him wear a mask when he grunts.


Hello, everyone.

Grand Lodge

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NobodysHome wrote:

In other COVID entertainment, we just got notification that Impus Minor has been exposed to a classmate who tested positive, and we should get him tested in 5 days...

...which happens to be Wednesday, which happens to be when we've scheduled the entire family to go in for PCR tests to ensure we're all finally clean.

Look at me, being prescient and all...

It goes around.


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NobodysHome wrote:

In other COVID entertainment, we just got notification that Impus Minor has been exposed to a classmate who tested positive, and we should get him tested in 5 days...

...which happens to be Wednesday, which happens to be when we've scheduled the entire family to go in for PCR tests to ensure we're all finally clean.

Look at me, being prescient and all...

And I'll be clear: With Impus Major's myocarditis we're going to be incredibly careful with him and exposure for the next couple of months, but Impus Minor's entire existence is a typical 17-year-old boy: Wake up, grunt at the family on your way out the door, come home, grunt at the family, lock yourself in your room. Repeat. We're more at risk from people on the street than we are from Impus Minor because he avoids all of us so effectively. I'll just make him wear a mask when he grunts.

*muffled* Humpf.


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It's amazing how your family members' most annoying habits can become so utterly cheerful.

After 3 nights in the hospital and another 2 nights of lethargy and general fatigue, this morning Impus Major was bellowing out songs again.

He is LOUD. Astonishingly so. He is frustratingly off-key. (We are still planning on getting him vocal training once COVID has subsided enough to do so.) When I'm trying to work, his projection is enough to lock up the muscles in my shoulders.

Yet today, hearing him wake up and rattle the rafters of Whimseyshire felt good.


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Speaking of annoying...
...general guidance is that humans can give COVID to pets, but not vice versa...
...yet with two cats over 15, we don't want to risk them getting infected.

We've locked the Calico Who Hates The World out of Whimseyshire.

She makes her displeasure known. With great frequency.


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Apart from my usual job of doing research on pies, pickles, the British railway system, glasses, etc., I am also now:

* COVID constable
* Bandage counter
* Master clock repairer
* Dancing Santa maker
* Man who can open your can of mushy peas with a hammer and a screwdriver, should you have forgotten your tin opener.

I deserve what they pay me, even if I do say so myself.


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The nice thing about work is the boss likes to send me plans and concept art during January for the upcoming season. Which gets me pretty pumped. The problem is usually I can't do anything about it until spring so I'm inevitably building walls and gazebos out of mashed potatoes by the time February rolls around.

But this year I get to carve boulders when I get bored.

Which means I take a skid loader out into the free range boulder fields and pick out the best boulder and then take it behind the hog shed so the transformation can begin.


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Pro Tip. If you've decided to work outside of normal IT support hours and you accidentally lock yourself out, just wait 15 minutes and try again. If you still are having password issues, think long and hard about whether or not what you're working on can wait until the next business day.

If you still think this needs to be handled by your IT vendor after hours, do NOT complain about the bill your company receives as laid out in the contract.


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About to go home. Good night, everyone. And have a good weekend.


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So here's an open question for FaWtL: Have any of you as players ever enjoyed the standard "Mirror, Mirror" trope?

Yet again, our otherwise-excellent GM is trying to control the PCs rather than the world, so he's secretly asked several of us to come up with "opposite" versions of our characters. So if you're playing a Good-aligned character, you need to play them as Evil. If you're playing an Evil-aligned character, you need to play them as Good. Etc., etc., etc.

I've been gaming and running games for 47 years now. I've had many GMs insist that "players love that trope!"

I have yet to have a single player say anything enthusiastic about it. About the best I've heard is, "Yeah, I can do it. But I don't really like it."

But my vast experience only encompasses around two dozen players, all local, so I'm sure there are many many other opinions, and I'm interested.


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I personally don't like it.

Seems like an urban myth GMs convince themselves of when they run out of ideas.


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The Mirror Problem really surfaces with Neutral characters (and my characters tend to have a component of that).

When a Neutral character is confronted with something, either they are seeking Balance or are simply uncaring about either a Law-Chaos ethos or a Good-Evil one (or both).

It actually reduces storytelling opportunity because the 'Bad Self' acts... more or less like the 'Good Self'.

Tangent, but semi-related:

Decades ago, a local Storyteller for a LARP had the Idea (since they were having a hard time coming up with plots for the LARP that didn't get blown up within months due to the players figuring out the Storyteller's 'style' and while roleplaying well completely finding a roadmap to Plot Resolution.

Their solution was to have a group of players play 'all the bad people' in the setting (not mirrors, just really evil nasty folks) to act as opposition.

The problem was when gamers are given the power to Do The Thing, and it's all Bad and no safeguards (safe for some very flimsy ones) are put into the mix, the 'original' game gets overrun easily.

Plus, when there's financial concerns (the 'Bad Person Game' was immensely popular and drew in more players thus paid more for rent), it then becomes fiscally unwise to shut it down, and the contrivances between the two became so incredibly strained that it led to the shut-down of the 'Bad' game and a lot of loss of faith in the Storyteller of the 'good' game.

Between this and other concerns you've mentioned, your GM sounds horrible (and not in a good way). I don't know what advice to give other than consider all options carefully.


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
Between this and other concerns you've mentioned, your GM sounds horrible...

I think there's an interesting Catch-22 going on here.

From everything everyone's said about him, he has a lot of trouble attracting "good" gamers: A typical table is people for whom skill rolls are a waste of time and you just run in and attack anything that moves... then for whom tactics are a four-letter word so they routinely suffer TPKs from equal-CR encounters.

So he's gotten into the habit of baby-sitting them. "Here's your background. Here's how your PC reacts in this situation. Here's the skill roll you should make. Here's what your PC does next..."

And he finally gets the opportunity to run for a group of "great gamers" (his words for us, not mine), and he's still trying to baby-sit us and he's driving us away.

So it's a vicious circle:
(1) Run for bad gamers and get into bad GMing habits.
(2) Apply these habits to good gamers and have them leave.
(3) Repeat 1-2 ad nauseum.

So we're providing feedback on #2. Frequently. Almost every week. It's not rocket science: "If you are the GM, your job is to provide a world for my character to interact with. MY job, and ONLY my job, is to tell you how my character interacts with this world."

He's really failing at #2, but we're working on it.

EDIT: And if you wonder, "How can ANY group lose a CR-equivalent encounter, no matter how dumb they are?", apparently their standard tactic is to spread out the party so each person has their own "battle space" and they never assist each other in any way, even if one of the party members goes down. It's really a pretty interesting way to run a fight...

Liberty's Edge

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I tried remote play but for me, as a work from home-r, getting out of the house for a regular-ish game night is pretty much the only me-time I can, or perhaps it would be more appropriate to say, DO make for myself.

The three sessions we ran during in the last two years were very underwhelming and frankly, it only discouraged me from ever trying to do remote tabletop gaming again as it just felt wrong, I was bombarded by the countless in-home mental distractions and duties that surround me while I am at home, and I found that I was having less fun than I would if I were just ... playing with my kids or even just accomplishing something else productive around the house like doing the dishes, general cleaning, or chipping away at the pile of laundry in the closet that is slowly becoming sentient.


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Themetricsystem wrote:

I tried remote play but for me, as a work from home-r, getting out of the house for a regular-ish game night is pretty much the only me-time I can, or perhaps it would be more appropriate to say, DO make for myself.

The three sessions we ran during in the last two years were very underwhelming and frankly, it only discouraged me from ever trying to do remote tabletop gaming again as it just felt wrong, I was bombarded by the countless in-home mental distractions and duties that surround me while I am at home, and I found that I was having less fun than I would if I were just ... playing with my kids or even just accomplishing something else productive around the house like doing the dishes, general cleaning, or chipping away at the pile of laundry in the closet that is slowly becoming sentient.

Absolutely fair. Our kids our older and our laundry less sentient, so we fare OK by it.


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NobodysHome wrote:

So here's an open question for FaWtL: Have any of you as players ever enjoyed the standard "Mirror, Mirror" trope?

Yet again, our otherwise-excellent GM is trying to control the PCs rather than the world, so he's secretly asked several of us to come up with "opposite" versions of our characters. So if you're playing a Good-aligned character, you need to play them as Evil. If you're playing an Evil-aligned character, you need to play them as Good. Etc., etc., etc.

I've been gaming and running games for 47 years now. I've had many GMs insist that "players love that trope!"

I have yet to have a single player say anything enthusiastic about it. About the best I've heard is, "Yeah, I can do it. But I don't really like it."

But my vast experience only encompasses around two dozen players, all local, so I'm sure there are many many other opinions, and I'm interested.

I like it, but then again, I am generally fond of Fantasy cliches and tropes.


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NobodysHome wrote:

So here's an open question for FaWtL: Have any of you as players ever enjoyed the standard "Mirror, Mirror" trope?

Yet again, our otherwise-excellent GM is trying to control the PCs rather than the world, so he's secretly asked several of us to come up with "opposite" versions of our characters. So if you're playing a Good-aligned character, you need to play them as Evil. If you're playing an Evil-aligned character, you need to play them as Good. Etc., etc., etc.

I've been gaming and running games for 47 years now. I've had many GMs insist that "players love that trope!"

I have yet to have a single player say anything enthusiastic about it. About the best I've heard is, "Yeah, I can do it. But I don't really like it."

But my vast experience only encompasses around two dozen players, all local, so I'm sure there are many many other opinions, and I'm interested.

I dislike it.

I know a few players who loved getting to play their own evil twins/clones/whatevers... But those were a certain kind of masochist gamers who loved to be (emotionally) tormented by GMs.

You would be surprised at a cheerful enthusiasm of one of my fellow players when I got to GM a few solo sessions in Hell. Literally. He made a deal with a demon and ended having his mind/soul torn from the body and taken to qlippoths (Fading Suns equivalent of Hell/Abyss).

I am not so sure they all would really enjoy their evil reflections being merely enemies under GM's control though.


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I don't dislike it, but I'm not going to actively seek it out either. It's one of those things that can be really well done but is very difficult to do it well.


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Today was the second day Impus Major woke up bellowing his lungs out, so I made him start preparing his own meals.

I wonder whether there's a parenting lesson in there somewhere.

And since I know LM will be interested and others might, here's our

COVID Update:

Impus Major: All signs point to a full recovery. No symptoms, feeling good, good appetite, etc. We still have to treat him as contagious and shun him until Tuesday, but I fully expect his test on Wednesday will come back negative. I won't fully relax until his heart MRI on February 3 tells us that everything's OK, but in general I'm feeling pretty good about his health.

Impus Minor: Got exposed to a COVID-positive classmate yesterday "in close contact", but he's fully vaccinated, always wears a mask, and shows no symptoms, so again I'm fairly sure his Wednesday test will come back negative.

GothBard: No exposure, no symptoms, and she went off and got tested on her own last Wednesday and came back negative, so I'm fairly sure she's OK.

NobodysHome: Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure I'm a carrier. I have very mild cold symptoms: 99.2˚F temperature, slightly sore throat, extremely mild cough, a little bit of lethargy. I could dismiss it as allergies brought on by the unusual weather, but I've been taking care of a COVID-positive patient for a week, bringing him to and from the hospital, feeding him, cleaning up after him, etc. So... did an opportunistic virus pop in while I was weakened by stress, or did I pick up COVID and it's battling against a healthy fully-vaccinated-and-boosted adult immune system? Seems 50-50 to me. I'll know on Wednesday.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Today was the second day Impus Major woke up bellowing his lungs out, so I made him start preparing his own meals.

I wonder whether there's a parenting lesson in there somewhere.

And since I know LM will be interested and others might, here's our ** spoiler omitted **

Feeling contagious, eh? Sounds like what you need is a trip to the Golden Corral all you can eat buffet!

Sovereign Court

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You and I should party more often, Urgathoa!


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My old college friend who lost his wife two and a half years ago is getting remarried today in New Orleans.
To the freshman and sophomore year girlfriend who broke his heart when she suddenly dumped him to become a nun twenty-eight years ago.

Some people never find true love once. He has managed to find it twice.
And instead of being happy for him, I'm pissed off and depressed because, while my own marriage isn't exactly failing, it isn't happy, either, and part of that is my fault and part of it isn't and sometimes I really wonder what in the hell I'm doing with my life.

So I've spent far more of today than is quite healthy sitting on my couch playing Pixel Dungeon on my phone and eating Nilla Wafers.

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