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Short Update: Impus Major had no signs of danger yesterday, so we're hoping he comes home today.

Long Update:
Children's Hospital of Oakland continues to validate our decision to take our kids there. Shiro's mother had early signs of a stroke so her doctor sent her immediately to the hospital. The hospital asked her a few questions and sent her home. She had a (very mild) stroke. Their decision to do nothing nearly cost her her life.
Compare that to Impus Major's experience: "I may have vaccine-related myocarditis."
An ultrasound, an x-ray, and a blood panel before they'd even start considering what to do. Once the ultrasound showed nothing (so no immediate threat) and the blood panel showed elevated stress on the heart, they did another ultrasound, another blood panel, and kept him overnight. They're doing everything in their power to understand what's going on with him and they're not going to release him until they're sure he's going to be OK.

I appreciate it.

So what we've learned:
(1) While he has myocarditis, it seems to be a relatively minor case and he should fully recover, but they're watching him, just in case it gets worse.

(2) Ironically, as we discussed just a week or two ago, his first COVID test at the hospital came back negative, then his second came back positive, so they put him into COVID isolation and performed a third test (which we haven't heard the results of yet). I'm a little bit skeptical of the second test: He just got a booster, so he should be showing signs of COVID antigens, so exactly how good is the test at distinguishing vaccine-generated antigens from viral ones?

Anyway, because of #2, we're all self-isolating today, which is irritating because I was going to do a major grocery run, but I guess instead I'll learn how well store-delivered groceries work. I've heard bad things, but we need a lot of staples, and I'm not about to be "that guy" whose family member tests positive and who goes out shopping anyway.

EDIT: The hospital is a clothing-optional affair.


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*waves to Vany*


Dammit. Definitely too many things on sale at the same time...


Just checked the CDC web site, and the vaccines won't cause false positives on antigen tests, but they might on antibody tests. But I'll guess that the hospital knows what it's doing.


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Happy Belated Solar Revolution, FaWtLies!!


It's funny the kinds of wisdom you get with age:

The kitchen faucet has needed to be replaced for a few months. GothBard finally got us a faucet over the break. Incidents have intervened. Since Impus Major is in the hospital for the day and we're locked down, I figured I'd take care of it.

...except...

...on virtually every repair project I've ever done, I've gotten about halfway through the project, found a problem, realized I needed a specialized tool, and gone out and bought the tool.

Since I'm not allowed in hardware stores at the moment, there is a not-insignificant likelihood of my disassembling the kitchen sink, discovering a critical missing/damaged part, and being without a sink until I could get the part mail ordered to me.

So yeah, not fixing the sink today.


NobodysHome wrote:
Shiro left at 11:15 pm and got home just before midnight, so not a single one of us was on the freeway after 12.

Shiro updated us yesterday with the drive home. Apparently driving home just before midnight on New Year's Eve is "interesting":

- As expected, he saw at least half a dozen CHP cars on the drive down
- Similarly, he saw many tow trucks in wait
- What he didn't expect was the significant number of people trying to get some place before midnight and racing down the freeway at 100+ mph.

So apparently even before midnight the freeways aren't all that safe after all. (California is infamous for drivers who pay no attention to lane precedence, so that 100+ mph driver might well be in the far right lane... even if there's no other traffic on the road, so it doesn't matter which lane you're in, such drivers are still a danger.)


Impus Major Update: His "heart stress hormone" level was 354 yesterday at noon, then 304 yesterday at 8:00 pm. They won't dismiss him until it's back to its "normal" level of 15 for someone his age. If the scale were linear, this would put his release at 8:00 pm tomorrow. Fortunately, almost nothing in biology behaves linearly, so we're hoping it goes down significantly faster. Unfortunately, he's not getting released any time soon, and may have to stay another night.


captain yesterday wrote:

Also, new guy had apparently fasted for almost a week before working last night.

So of course when he got food he went with a gas station chili dog.

And it's not like this was a gas station where that's all they had, this was Kwik Trip.

...what?


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NobodysHome wrote:

Impus Major Update: His "heart stress hormone" level was 354 yesterday at noon, then 304 yesterday at 8:00 pm. They won't dismiss him until it's back to its "normal" level of 15 for someone his age. If the scale were linear, this would put his release at 8:00 pm tomorrow. Fortunately, almost nothing in biology behaves linearly, so we're hoping it goes down significantly faster. Unfortunately, he's not getting released any time soon, and may have to stay another night.

here's hoping he gets to go home soon.


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Impus Major Update: His "heart stress hormone" level was 354 yesterday at noon, then 304 yesterday at 8:00 pm. They won't dismiss him until it's back to its "normal" level of 15 for someone his age. If the scale were linear, this would put his release at 8:00 pm tomorrow. Fortunately, almost nothing in biology behaves linearly, so we're hoping it goes down significantly faster. Unfortunately, he's not getting released any time soon, and may have to stay another night.

here's hoping he gets to go home soon.

Ugh. Nope. By hospital protocol since:

(1) He tested as COVID-positive, and
(2) He has myocarditis,

they have to treat it as aggressively as possible to avoid any possibility of complications, so he's getting an antibody transfusion today.

I love that they're taking no risks whatsoever with his long-term health.
I hate that he's stuck in a hospital room and we're not even allowed to visit.

EDIT: LOLOL. He's dubbed his illness, "Shroedinger's COVID". Nobody knows whether he has it or not.


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Good luck to Impus Major and good thing the hospital is taking the absolute best care of him!

Myocarditis is no fun!


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The hardest part is when he goes in for some kind of treatment and goes silent for a while. I send him a text, get no response for an hour, start worrying, and finally get, "Sorry, I was consulting with xxx..."

Since he's over 18 he has final say in all his treatment and he's getting all the information, but I'd LOVE it if he were a bit more communicative.


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What CY said. Myocarditis is something that can get serious quickly, and sometimes out of nowhere. I'm glad they are being serious, but especially with myocardial symptoms he needs to be VERY communicative with you and mom.


Drejk wrote:
Dammit. Definitely too many things on sale at the same time...

Oh, come on!

I just discover existence of another game that sounds very promising and in vein of what I'd like to play at the moment, and of course it is on sale at the same time as some other games and all ending at the same time...


NobodysHome wrote:

The hardest part is when he goes in for some kind of treatment and goes silent for a while. I send him a text, get no response for an hour, start worrying, and finally get, "Sorry, I was consulting with xxx..."

Since he's over 18 he has final say in all his treatment and he's getting all the information, but I'd LOVE it if he were a bit more communicative.

Years ago granddad was in hospital after (another) heart attack. I went to see him, reached his floor, approached his room, and found his bed completely empty... (as in, his bed was made, no trace of his things).

I had a rather stressful moment, but after grabbing a nurse I learned that he was simply moved to different section.

Another time, the same granddad managed to freak me out even more—I had a dream when he showed to me and told me he is dead. I woke up very early in the morning at a time only NobodysHome gets up willingly and laid on my bed stressed.

He was fine that time. Though I don't remember if it was in the same year he actually died or before that year.


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Drejk wrote:

Another time, the same granddad managed to freak me out even more—I had a dream when he showed to me and told me he is dead. I woke up very early in the morning at a time only NobodysHome gets up willingly and laid on my bed stressed.

He was fine that time. Though I don't remember if it was in the same year he actually died or before that year.

Yep. And that's why such compelling stories of psychic abilities are so questionable: You imagine something happening to your loved ones frequently. You might dream of such a thing once a year or two. And if it ever actually comes true, it wasn't coincidence, it was premonition.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Drejk wrote:

Another time, the same granddad managed to freak me out even more—I had a dream when he showed to me and told me he is dead. I woke up very early in the morning at a time only NobodysHome gets up willingly and laid on my bed stressed.

He was fine that time. Though I don't remember if it was in the same year he actually died or before that year.

Yep. And that's why such compelling stories of psychic abilities are so questionable: You imagine something happening to your loved ones frequently. You might dream of such a thing once a year or two. And if it ever actually comes true, it wasn't coincidence, it was premonition.

I knew a girl in high school was believed she was psychic because she had correctly "predicted" several accidents, disasters, and deaths. The problem was that she was always dreaming about bad things happening, or having "bad feelings" about people, so it was just coincidence. But you couldn't convince of her that. Her parents tried to show that it was nothing by having her write down all of her "premonitions" in a journal for 3 months. She wound up writing down well over 200, of which 2 could have almost been said to have come true (as in, she "had a bad feeling about the football game on Friday" and one of the players broke his wrist). To her, this, of course, "proved" that she was psychic.


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Aaaaand... never shopping online from Safeway again:

(1) I ordered from the Andronico's at the top of Solano as they carry higher-quality stuff. The merchandise was clearly from the Safeway at the bottom. And anything not sold there (for example, they don't have a butcher nor bakery to speak of) didn't get bought. So no chicken nor zucchini for tomorrow night's stir-fry. No shiitakes for Wednesday night's beans. I cannot cook a single meal from what they sent home, and the cookies were terrible.

(2) Since I'd ordered alcohol, they needed proof of my age. Since they use a contracted driver, they had him take a picture of my I.D. Which, of course, is my driver's license, so now someone who doesn't even work for Safeway has everything needed for identity theft: Name, address, date of birth, and driver's license number. Absolutely idiotic security. (And if I hadn't seen it before from other companies I'd've been aghast.)

I ordered dinner for the family. I got garbage and identity theft. Thanks, Safeway!


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I wish I could remember who it was that told this story, which I was reminded of by the "premonition" talk just upthread. I am pretty sure it was a British comedian on one of their panel game shows, but I can't be sure.

"My aunt used to write horoscopes for a small local newspaper to pick up a bit of extra cash, but never told anyone that she did. Mainly because she was quite vocal about not believing astrology and such. But she knew that her best friend not only truly believed in horoscopes, and specifically read the one in that newspaper. So, whenever her friend was having a bad week, my aunt would write her a positive horoscope, which would cheer her up immediately."


Hello, everyone.


NobodysHome wrote:
Drejk wrote:

Another time, the same granddad managed to freak me out even more—I had a dream when he showed to me and told me he is dead. I woke up very early in the morning at a time only NobodysHome gets up willingly and laid on my bed stressed.

He was fine that time. Though I don't remember if it was in the same year he actually died or before that year.

Yep. And that's why such compelling stories of psychic abilities are so questionable: You imagine something happening to your loved ones frequently. You might dream of such a thing once a year or two. And if it ever actually comes true, it wasn't coincidence, it was premonition.

Gee, people dying? I would not never expect that, it must have been an omen!

Interestingly, I had a dream of an acquaintance of mine the same night he died—or rather morning after as it was one of those days when I got very late to sleep and woke up in the middle of the day—and then learned of his demise from social media. Coincidentally, it was a day after 8th Dwarf died from cancer. My anxiety got worse that year.


Miss that guy.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Aaaaand... never shopping online from Safeway again:

(1) I ordered from the Andronico's at the top of Solano as they carry higher-quality stuff. The merchandise was clearly from the Safeway at the bottom. And anything not sold there (for example, they don't have a butcher nor bakery to speak of) didn't get bought. So no chicken nor zucchini for tomorrow night's stir-fry. No shiitakes for Wednesday night's beans. I cannot cook a single meal from what they sent home, and the cookies were terrible.

(2) Since I'd ordered alcohol, they needed proof of my age. Since they use a contracted driver, they had him take a picture of my I.D. Which, of course, is my driver's license, so now someone who doesn't even work for Safeway has everything needed for identity theft: Name, address, date of birth, and driver's license number. Absolutely idiotic security. (And if I hadn't seen it before from other companies I'd've been aghast.)

I ordered dinner for the family. I got garbage and identity theft. Thanks, Safeway!

I can guarantee it's not just Safeway.


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captain yesterday wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Aaaaand... never shopping online from Safeway again:

(1) I ordered from the Andronico's at the top of Solano as they carry higher-quality stuff. The merchandise was clearly from the Safeway at the bottom. And anything not sold there (for example, they don't have a butcher nor bakery to speak of) didn't get bought. So no chicken nor zucchini for tomorrow night's stir-fry. No shiitakes for Wednesday night's beans. I cannot cook a single meal from what they sent home, and the cookies were terrible.

(2) Since I'd ordered alcohol, they needed proof of my age. Since they use a contracted driver, they had him take a picture of my I.D. Which, of course, is my driver's license, so now someone who doesn't even work for Safeway has everything needed for identity theft: Name, address, date of birth, and driver's license number. Absolutely idiotic security. (And if I hadn't seen it before from other companies I'd've been aghast.)

I ordered dinner for the family. I got garbage and identity theft. Thanks, Safeway!

I can guarantee it's not just Safeway.

Yup we have that here too. Only way to get hooch during covid.


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I meant that grocery delivery sucks. This is Wisconsin, there is always a way to buy booze. Otherwise our society would have collapsed 2 days into the pandemic (or however long alcohol withdrawal takes to set in).


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Awesome! We're up to 11 degrees already! Toasty!!


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Aaargh!

Mornings are always the hardest.

I know that Impus Major was going to be up until at least 1:30 am getting the transfusion, so I know he'll be exhausted this morning.

And I know that at home he routinely sleeps until noon or 1:00 pm.

So I shouldn't stress that I haven't heard from him by 8:00 am this morning.

But I do. Oh good golly, yes, I do!

EDIT: Hallelujah! 15 minutes after I posted he finally texted back. Unfortunately, his numbers aren't down yet, but they're not UP, and I figure at some point something has to give...


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I know many on this very thread have faced the same thing, but the interminable wait for something to change while your child is in the hospital is nearly unbearable. He's getting the best treatment. All the indicators are "encouraging" that he's going to be fine and recover from this with no long-term effects.

But day after day of, "Nope. The numbers haven't budged yet. Another day in the hospital," wears on you.

There's a reason parents go grey earlier. (At least I bet they do.)


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NobodysHome wrote:

Aaaaand... never shopping online from Safeway again:

(1) I ordered from the Andronico's at the top of Solano as they carry higher-quality stuff. The merchandise was clearly from the Safeway at the bottom. And anything not sold there (for example, they don't have a butcher nor bakery to speak of) didn't get bought. So no chicken nor zucchini for tomorrow night's stir-fry. No shiitakes for Wednesday night's beans. I cannot cook a single meal from what they sent home, and the cookies were terrible.

(2) Since I'd ordered alcohol, they needed proof of my age. Since they use a contracted driver, they had him take a picture of my I.D. Which, of course, is my driver's license, so now someone who doesn't even work for Safeway has everything needed for identity theft: Name, address, date of birth, and driver's license number. Absolutely idiotic security. (And if I hadn't seen it before from other companies I'd've been aghast.)

I ordered dinner for the family. I got garbage and identity theft. Thanks, Safeway!

Without going too far into details, it's not just that portion of the company. It's even worse in the Midwest as Captain Yesterday mentioned up-thread.

The companies in the Corporate need to make enough money to not only break even but keep other high-profile markets West Coast, East Coast afloat. This generally means unless something is a 'pet project' of a given executive, we won't see anything it for years if not decades past idea development date, for example.

They recently rolled out a service folks could pay for having their groceries brought to their car in the last year or so. Despite being incredibly popular and successful, the execs cut the payroll for the new section by half, and then wanted everyone else down to about a quarter of pre-pandemic staffing levels to help out the department 'in their free time'.


About to go home. Good night, everyone.


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"A kiwi can't be vegan. It has fur, therefore it is a mammal."


Really thunks yer thonk, don't it?


"I really like cats. They cannot take an arrow though."


Limeylongears wrote:
Really thunks yer thonk, don't it?

It makes the hamster in my head get all sleepy.


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Today's Impus Major Update: His heart numbers finally started going down, but he developed a fever, eye ache, nausea, and fatigue. The doctors continue to say it's all classic COVID and they're not particularly concerned. ("We haven't even discussed his case with the ICU yet.")

Other than the myocarditis, there are no red flags, so everyone's expecting him to recover.

It's just a matter of time. And waiting. And waiting. And waiting...


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Patience. Your son will be home with you eventually.

Also, eye ache?

That's new.


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Freehold DM wrote:

Patience. Your son will be home with you eventually.

Also, eye ache?

That's new.

It's one of the rarer symptoms, along with G-I distress that don't show up in the 'main list' of conditions.


Yeah, the *big* issue about this whole thing is how non-COVIDy everything's behaving. GothBard and Impus Minor tested negative. Not a single person from the New Year's party has tested positive. None of his friends he hung out with the week before has tested positive.

So it seems to have been an "immaculate infection" plus he didn't manage to give it to anyone else.

That, -OR- it's a vaccine reaction and he's got Impus Minor's cold.

The problem is that the COVID test he was given is supposedly very accurate, so we're left with, "How the heck can he have such an isolated case?"


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Nothing worse than waiting and unanswered questions. Now, as always, may the Lady's Favor be with you and Impus Major.


NobodysHome wrote:

Today's Impus Major Update: His heart numbers finally started going down, but he developed a fever, eye ache, nausea, and fatigue. The doctors continue to say it's all classic COVID and they're not particularly concerned. ("We haven't even discussed his case with the ICU yet.")

Other than the myocarditis, there are no red flags, so everyone's expecting him to recover.

It's just a matter of time. And waiting. And waiting. And waiting...

So he might have a bad luck to catch COVID just around getting the same time he got his booster shot (and before the booster finalized downloading updates)?


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Freehold DM wrote:

Patience. Your son will be home with you eventually.

Also, eye ache?

That's new.

It is a common symptom for me when I am sick. And even more so when tired.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Yeah, the *big* issue about this whole thing is how non-COVIDy everything's behaving. GothBard and Impus Minor tested negative. Not a single person from the New Year's party has tested positive. None of his friends he hung out with the week before has tested positive.

So it seems to have been an "immaculate infection" plus he didn't manage to give it to anyone else.

That, -OR- it's a vaccine reaction and he's got Impus Minor's cold.

The problem is that the COVID test he was given is supposedly very accurate, so we're left with, "How the heck can he have such an isolated case?"

Shopping trip?

Also

<3 the term "immaculate infection"


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Seen Spiderman: No Way Home.

Three thumbs up. Eight spider webs.


Now I should work a bit but I have a headache.


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Drejk wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Today's Impus Major Update: His heart numbers finally started going down, but he developed a fever, eye ache, nausea, and fatigue. The doctors continue to say it's all classic COVID and they're not particularly concerned. ("We haven't even discussed his case with the ICU yet.")

Other than the myocarditis, there are no red flags, so everyone's expecting him to recover.

It's just a matter of time. And waiting. And waiting. And waiting...

So he might have a bad luck to catch COVID just around getting the same time he got his booster shot (and before the booster finalized downloading updates)?

The best explanation at the moment is that he got it while getting his booster shot on the 29th. Then everything adds up: Booster shot reaction on the 30th, recovered on the 31st, booster shot-related myocarditis on the 1st. Went to the hospital only 3 days after exposure so the non-sensitive test didn't catch it, but the sensitive test did. On the 3rd, 5 days into exposure, he started showing COVID symptoms.

The entire timeline works right in line with everything we see posted about COVID.


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OK. Woooooow. Children's Hospital continues to be the best hospital I've ever interacted with.

They post direct phone numbers to all the nursing stations on every floor!!!

So since I hadn't heard from Impus Major and I didn't want to disturb him in case of his fever, I called the nurse's station:
- His fever is gone
- His symptoms of illness are gone
- His heart numbers are improving

They're updating his heart numbers this morning, but in theory once he has no symptoms, his heart numbers are normal, and all of their ultrasounds, x-rays, EKGs, and echo tests come back negative, he can come home.

Might even be this week.


Very glad to hear that things are improving for him, NH!! Huzzah!!


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IMPUS MAJOR IS COMING HOME TODAY!!!


NobodysHome wrote:
IMPUS MAJOR IS COMING HOME TODAY!!!

SOOOOOOOO HAPPY!

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