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NobodysHome wrote:
Scavion wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

And here's an interesting hardware question:

Our neighbor wanted to install a new internal hard drive. He asked me for the necessary SATA and power cables. Nothing worked for a while, then I finally got the clue when I plugged one of my own drives into the power cable and smoke started pouring out of it.

Shiro insists that it's the power cable -- there's no standard, so it's perfectly possible that a power cable for an Antec power supply would have different pins than a power cable for a Corsair power supply, so my cable was at fault.

I have two issues with this:
(1) Both the power supply and the cable were Corsair. It might not have been for the exact same power supply, but I don't see one company varying its cables between power supplies. It would be inefficient and dangerous.

(2) The pins on a SATA cable aren't robust; if the voltage was high enough to be lighting hard drives on fire, I should have melted the pins after burning out the first drive, protecting the second drive.

Opinions?

Based on my rudimentary knowledge of electricity and what I literally just learned in class yesterday, it sounds like the current is too much for the cable to handle. Depending on the wattage the cable WAS supposed to go to, that would be the problem right there. You probably wouldnt use the same wire for a 600w power supply as a 900w one.

Its either that or the cooling inside since the ambient temperature can also change what the wires can handle.

I'm afraid that no, it's not the current-carrying capacity of the cable. The power supply has 6-pin plugins for SATA drives. SATA drives use 4-pin power. The voltages on those pins are supposed to be set to fairly tight constraints (good power supplies are within 1%).

So it's not, "How much current could the cable handle?", it's, "Which voltages were on which pins?"

A 3.5" hard drive takes 12V for the motor and 5V for the logic. So, if the pins got reversed and you were sending 12V to the...

Be with you in about an hour or so. I want a real keyboard for this.


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Quark Blast wrote:

@NobodysHome:

What's your take on this particular issue of Tech Jobs and Pay Transparency?

(1) I am a huge proponent of pay transparency. It is only to management's benefit that we're encouraged not to share how much we're paid. It's honestly one of my biggest frustrations with private/public industry: In private industry, two people doing the same job might have a difference in pay of 200-300%. True story: At my first tech job I accidentally saw everyone's salary. Our lowest-paid guy was making $48,000/year. Our highest-paid guy was making $130,000/year. With the same job title and similar experience. The lowest-paid guy just asked for too little, got too little, and management very slowly and deliberately made it up to him by giving him 20-25% raises every year. But even then they were getting a ridiculous bargain.

My frustration is seeing what happens in the public sector: When I worked at public community colleges, I was paid according to a pay scale that was publicly visible. Any one of my students could look up what I was making. It didn't bother me in the least. What bothered me was that my performance had no effect on my pay. The top-rated teacher in a district is paid EXACTLY the same as the lowest-rated. No bonuses. No stock options. You've worked for xxx years. You have yyy units of college experience. Your pay is $zz,000 per year. Period. End of story. Non-negotiable.

Why?

Because underperforming public employees are the loudest squawkers when they get paid less than their peers "for the same work". (Would you rather have a Stradivarius violin or one made by some random shopkeep down the street during the same time period?)

(2) AFTER reading the article, median pay of $185,000 for engineers is actually pretty low; Google and Facebook report over $200k.

But it's the same exact point: Hiding employee salaries does nothing but hurt employees. People coming from low income backgrounds, women, and minorities have a strong tendency to underbid themselves, the company snaps them up, and they never learn how poorly they're paid. Then the company is more than happy to give "huge" raises to the high-performing low-wage workers because a 20% raise on $50,000 a year is a LOT better than paying someone what they're worth at $110,000/year or whatever.

Shiro's a fantastic example of what white men have done for 40 years: Take a job. Listen to all the headhunters who come in. Accept a job that pays at least 20% more and that sounds interesting. Repeat every 2-3 years for your entire career. Loyalty to a company is career suicide: You're always looking out for yourself, not your company.

Someone like me who's stayed in the same job for 17 years is considered an "idiot" among those who want money. I chose financial security over making a quick buck, so I'll be working until I'm 65 instead of retiring at 50.

But I suspect I have a lot fewer gray hairs.


Vanykrye wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Scavion wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

And here's an interesting hardware question:

Our neighbor wanted to install a new internal hard drive. He asked me for the necessary SATA and power cables. Nothing worked for a while, then I finally got the clue when I plugged one of my own drives into the power cable and smoke started pouring out of it.

Shiro insists that it's the power cable -- there's no standard, so it's perfectly possible that a power cable for an Antec power supply would have different pins than a power cable for a Corsair power supply, so my cable was at fault.

I have two issues with this:
(1) Both the power supply and the cable were Corsair. It might not have been for the exact same power supply, but I don't see one company varying its cables between power supplies. It would be inefficient and dangerous.

(2) The pins on a SATA cable aren't robust; if the voltage was high enough to be lighting hard drives on fire, I should have melted the pins after burning out the first drive, protecting the second drive.

Opinions?

Based on my rudimentary knowledge of electricity and what I literally just learned in class yesterday, it sounds like the current is too much for the cable to handle. Depending on the wattage the cable WAS supposed to go to, that would be the problem right there. You probably wouldnt use the same wire for a 600w power supply as a 900w one.

Its either that or the cooling inside since the ambient temperature can also change what the wires can handle.

I'm afraid that no, it's not the current-carrying capacity of the cable. The power supply has 6-pin plugins for SATA drives. SATA drives use 4-pin power. The voltages on those pins are supposed to be set to fairly tight constraints (good power supplies are within 1%).

So it's not, "How much current could the cable handle?", it's, "Which voltages were on which pins?"

A 3.5" hard drive takes 12V for the motor and 5V for the logic. So, if the pins got reversed and

Be with you in about an hour or so. I want a real keyboard for this.

Probably some clothes, too.


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Oooòoooooh,

Congratulations to Gothbard and NobodysHome,
Who have been together since the founding of the Republic of Ancient Rome,
If Rome had been founded 34 years ago,
Which it was not, so far as I know.

Thankyou.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Probably some clothes, too.

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Why?


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Behold, a monolith bar!

Last official project for the year!


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NobodysHome wrote:

And here's an interesting hardware question:

Our neighbor wanted to install a new internal hard drive. He asked me for the necessary SATA and power cables. Nothing worked for a while, then I finally got the clue when I plugged one of my own drives into the power cable and smoke started pouring out of it.

Shiro insists that it's the power cable -- there's no standard, so it's perfectly possible that a power cable for an Antec power supply would have different pins than a power cable for a Corsair power supply, so my cable was at fault.

I have two issues with this:
(1) Both the power supply and the cable were Corsair. It might not have been for the exact same power supply, but I don't see one company varying its cables between power supplies. It would be inefficient and dangerous.

(2) The pins on a SATA cable aren't robust; if the voltage was high enough to be lighting hard drives on fire, I should have melted the pins after burning out the first drive, protecting the second drive.

Opinions?

Ok...

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Shiro insists that it's the power cable -- there's no standard, so it's perfectly possible that a power cable for an Antec power supply would have different pins than a power cable for a Corsair power supply, so my cable was at fault.

No, there are standards. It's why, contrary to popular gamer belief, it largely doesn't matter which brand of power supply you buy. It's all about whether you have enough power for the components and if the supply is giving the power out consistently at the proper voltages. Power supplies have to be able to plug into any brand of motherboard, graphics card, case fans, on board cooling devices, hard drive/SSD, etc, etc, etc.

Yes, a cable can be the culprit...but...

Option 1) If you're looking at one of the older style power supplies, with all the cables hardwired in and coming out the same hole of the unit, there's nothing you can really do unless you feel qualified enough to pop open the power supply itself and play with the innards, and potentially resolder a new cable in. The real answer there is to just buy a new power supply. Also, the drive you tried is probably not going to accept power anymore and is effectively dead. Not saying don't try it, but don't *expect* it to ever work again.

Option 2) If you have one of the newer, modular power supplies and there are individual plugs on the power supply for each individual cable, then you can try a different cable with absolute ease. Go for it. I am 90% certain that won't be the culprit, but it's technically possible if nothing else on the computer is having a power issue. But my experience tells me, it's almost never the cable unless you can find obvious damage on it. Chances are good the power supply sent either an undervolt or overvolt through and that's most likely the source of the problem. See Option 1 regarding a likely dead drive again.

So ultimately my expectation is that you'll need a new power supply, and every component that was plugged into the current one should be considered suspect until proven otherwise. If the power supply damaged that drive you plugged in then there's no reason to believe that there isn't potential damage on every other component as well.


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Vanykrye wrote:
...lots of useful stuff...

Thanks! I got to tell Shiro he was wrong about the lack of standards, and he accepted it gracefully.

Given that, you're right -- the supply's almost certainly the culprit. Now it's just convincing them to let me replace it.

EDIT: Shiro and I want to go in and use a power supply tester he has lying around (because Shiro owns everything), but somehow neighbor girl doesn't want me inside of her computer again after lighting my hard drive on fire inside of it. Go figure...


Quark Blast wrote:

@NobodysHome:

What's your take on this particular issue of Tech Jobs and Pay Transparency?
Shiro made a really interesting point:
Shiro wrote:
In general I find that people with a low impression of their own capabilities (whether it be reflected in pay or not) do not want transparency and those who are confident their abilities don't mind it.

After pondering it, I couldn't think of a counterexample.


Vanykrye wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Probably some clothes, too.

...

Why?

Electric burns. You are supposed to be immune to fire, not electricity...


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NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
...lots of useful stuff...
Thanks! I got to tell Shiro he was wrong about the lack of standards, and he accepted it gracefully.

Well, if he, in his long career happened to work for Apple, then he is right.

It seems that just everyone else has standards...

I let myself out back to bed. I could use some sleep anyway, if I manage to fall asleep in the first place (I got up some six hours ago after six hours of sort of napping). The input port for the latest virus database update is rather sore, and the downloading patches makes me shiver a bit.


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Drejk wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Probably some clothes, too.

...

Why?
Electric burns. You are supposed to be immune to fire, not electricity...

Eh, it's low enough voltage. Besides, I really quite enjoy getting hooked up to TENS units to deal with muscle pain.


NobodysHome wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:

@NobodysHome:

What's your take on this particular issue of Tech Jobs and Pay Transparency?

(1) I am a huge proponent of pay transparency. It is only to management's benefit that we're encouraged not to share how much we're paid. It's honestly one of my biggest frustrations with private/public industry: In private industry, two people doing the same job might have a difference in pay of 200-300%. True story: At my first tech job I accidentally saw everyone's salary. Our lowest-paid guy was making $48,000/year. Our highest-paid guy was making $130,000/year. With the same job title and similar experience. The lowest-paid guy just asked for too little, got too little, and management very slowly and deliberately made it up to him by giving him 20-25% raises every year. But even then they were getting a ridiculous bargain.

My frustration is seeing what happens in the public sector: When I worked at public community colleges, I was paid according to a pay scale that was publicly visible. Any one of my students could look up what I was making. It didn't bother me in the least. What bothered me was that my performance had no effect on my pay. The top-rated teacher in a district is paid EXACTLY the same as the lowest-rated. No bonuses. No stock options. You've worked for xxx years. You have yyy units of college experience. Your pay is $zz,000 per year. Period. End of story. Non-negotiable.

Why?

Because underperforming public employees are the loudest squawkers when they get paid less than their peers "for the same work". (Would you rather have a Stradivarius violin or one made by some random shopkeep down the street during the same time period?)

(2) AFTER reading the article, median pay of $185,000 for engineers is actually pretty low; Google and Facebook report over $200k.

But it's the same exact point: Hiding employee salaries does nothing but hurt employees. People coming from low income backgrounds, women, and minorities have a strong tendency to underbid themselves, the company snaps them up, and they never learn how poorly they're paid. Then the company is more than happy to give "huge" raises to the high-performing low-wage workers because a 20% raise on $50,000 a year is a LOT better than paying someone what they're worth at $110,000/year or whatever.

Shiro's a fantastic example of what white men have done for 40 years: Take a job. Listen to all the headhunters who come in. Accept a job that pays at least 20% more and that sounds interesting. Repeat every 2-3 years for your entire career. Loyalty to a company is career suicide: You're always looking out for yourself, not your company.

Someone like me who's stayed in the same job for 17 years is considered an "idiot" among those who want money. I chose financial security over making a quick buck, so I'll be working until I'm 65 instead of retiring at 50.

But I suspect I have a lot fewer gray hairs.

Not disagreeing but in the interests of furthering the convo:

There is a certain amount of job security in the public sector but the financials are otherwise all downside. State pensions (e.g. according to one of my advisors who's been teaching 40+ years now) were a big draw but now the "pension" is really just another 401k.

And whether public or private, but especially private, there is a strong disincentive to paying everyone equally. To do that you either have to hire flawlessly or be willing to "let go" under performers quickly.

There are companies that pay a high minimum and are transparent with pay and other compensation but that tends to be in sectors where the margin is enormous (e.g. specialized banking ).

Transparency with average pay will get you average employees every time.
Above average pay with below average employees will bankrupt the business.
Below average pay with below average employees will bankrupt the business.

How do you manage a successful business in a sector with typical profit margins and be transparent?


Vanykrye wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Probably some clothes, too.

...

Why?
Electric burns. You are supposed to be immune to fire, not electricity...
Eh, it's low enough voltage. Besides, I really quite enjoy getting hooked up to TENS units to deal with muscle pain.

I could really use that right now...


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As for Shiro's comment:

In my very limited experience, if one shows up to work everyday and on time with even a neutral attitude (though positive is better still), one finds oneself easily in the top half of employees. In a big company, staying out of the "danger zone" (bottom 20% or so) is trivial.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
...lots of useful stuff...

Thanks! I got to tell Shiro he was wrong about the lack of standards, and he accepted it gracefully.

Given that, you're right -- the supply's almost certainly the culprit. Now it's just convincing them to let me replace it.

EDIT: Shiro and I want to go in and use a power supply tester he has lying around (because Shiro owns everything), but somehow neighbor girl doesn't want me inside of her computer again after lighting my hard drive on fire inside of it. Go figure...

Hey, you fried your own drive, not hers. Probably.

By the way, that smoke you saw is what IT refers to as "the magic smoke" or "the blue smoke" or variations on that theme. "The smoke is what makes this stuff work. If it gets out the things don't work anymore."


Quark Blast wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
...shortening the quote...

Not disagreeing but in the interests of furthering the convo:

There is a certain amount of job security in the public sector but the financials are otherwise all downside. State pensions (e.g. according to one of my advisors who's been teaching 40+ years now) were a big draw but now the "pension" is really just another 401k.

And whether public or private, but especially private, there is a strong disincentive to paying everyone equally. To do that you either have to hire flawlessly or be willing to "let go" under performers quickly.

There are companies that pay a high minimum and are transparent with pay and other compensation but that tends to be in sectors where the margin is enormous (e.g. specialized banking ).

Transparency with average pay will get you average employees every time.
Above average pay with below average employees will bankrupt the business.
Below average pay with below average employees will bankrupt the business.

How do you manage a successful business in a sector with typical profit margins and be transparent?

(1) As I've mentioned on this thread many times, teaching jobs are terrible. A Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering starting at City College of San Francisco would get $69,xxx a year, which is an embarrassment. And you're right. It's throughout the public sector. Why does that employee you're trying to get help from suck? Because they're horrifically underpaid. And again, you're right, the only draws for public sector work were job stability, generous benefits, and a pension, and two of the three of those are now gone.

(2) While your concerns about businesses and salaries are legitimate, the internet has proved they're not nearly as dire as you'd think. I can look up my job title, experience, and location on salary.com and get a pretty good estimate. Heck, I can go to payscale.com and look up company, job title, and location. I know company average salaries, I know the places I could make more, the placed I could make less, and what I'd get working similar jobs elsewhere. I looked up "Veterinarian" in L.A. and got $71-$164k with a median of $95k, and I could get a MUCH better estimate if I were willing to give the site all my personal information. In tech, if you're looking for a job and you're not using one of those sites, you're shooting yourself in the wallet.

I Googled my current company and job title and the average is spot-on for a "typical" worker with 5 years of experience. My salary is right in line with my extra experience and performance benefits.

So... if I can already get an excellent idea of salary ranges for my employer, why is it so frowned upon to share your salary with your co-workers?

Because not reporting individual workers:
- Hides gender, racial, ethnic, or other bias
- Protects low-performing workers from being "outed"

It doesn't do anything for a company that's big enough to show up on payscale.com. And employees are a LOT more lenient about salaries at smaller companies; I have co-workers who took significant pay cuts to work at smaller shops just for the excitement of it, or for the fulfillment of really making a difference somewhere.

TL;DR: Your concern makes logical sense, but my experience is that I can already look up a reasonable average salary for my position, so hiding my personal salary only allows the company to abuse me.


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Quark Blast wrote:

As for Shiro's comment:

In my very limited experience, if one shows up to work everyday and on time with even a neutral attitude (though positive is better still), one finds oneself easily in the top half of employees. In a big company, staying out of the "danger zone" (bottom 20% or so) is trivial.

Are you sure you're not my child?

My advice to Impus Major: "Show up on time, do your job, don't slack off, and you'll be the best employee they've ever had."

Seriously. I worked at a video store. Whenever there weren't customers in the store I went around sorting the shelves, sweeping, or taking care of any of the other busywork that needed doing because I figured if they were paying me I should be doing something.

And because I didn't spend all day every day watching videos, I was the "best employee [the owner] had ever had".


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Quark Blast wrote:

As for Shiro's comment:

In my very limited experience, if one shows up to work everyday and on time with even a neutral attitude (though positive is better still), one finds oneself easily in the top half of employees. In a big company, staying out of the "danger zone" (bottom 20% or so) is trivial.

You're not wrong.


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I think a final interesting bit is the Depression-Era ethic of, "Don't show off your money, because their are people worse off than you who won't appreciate it."

Shiro's a bit older than I am, but his mother's a bit younger than mine, but we were both raised by strong-willed women who survived the Depression, and we have the same attitude towards money. Shiro put it quite well. "I truly do not care if people know what I make... but I don't tell people for fear of being rude."

I think a LOT of over-50s feel the same way.


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Vanykrye wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
...lots of useful stuff...

Thanks! I got to tell Shiro he was wrong about the lack of standards, and he accepted it gracefully.

Given that, you're right -- the supply's almost certainly the culprit. Now it's just convincing them to let me replace it.

EDIT: Shiro and I want to go in and use a power supply tester he has lying around (because Shiro owns everything), but somehow neighbor girl doesn't want me inside of her computer again after lighting my hard drive on fire inside of it. Go figure...

Hey, you fried your own drive, not hers. Probably.

By the way, that smoke you saw is what IT refers to as "the magic smoke" or "the blue smoke" or variations on that theme. "The smoke is what makes this stuff work. If it gets out the things don't work anymore."

In one of my old pcs, which I had to keep open because the cables were getting loose and I had to manually push them back in place, bluish smoke showed from time to time. It kept working. Well, sort of. It tended to shut down at random times...


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Vanykrye wrote:

Hey, you fried your own drive, not hers. Probably.

By the way, that smoke you saw is what IT refers to as "the magic smoke" or "the blue smoke" or variations on that theme. "The smoke is what makes this stuff work. If it gets out the things don't work anymore."

You sell me short, sir!

I fried four drives! The laptop one was the only one that smoked...


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...

I think I will take the Imps' (Impish?) laptops, computers, and whatever tablets they have, now.

For safe-keeping from you, of course.


The veterinarian example you gave has numbers that spread way more than 20% above the mean median and that's the rub.

Would the hypothetical transparency include expressly knowing the characteristics that get one worth paying 1.73x over the median?

To use another example (and he is most welcome to chime in if he likes), captain yesterday works his posterior off, especially compared to his peers. Assuming for the sake of argument that finding twenty employees of that caliber in a given area is a doable thing.
Is there enough flex in hardscaping to justify a +1.73x salary bump for all twenty employees?

Given that the examples of bias you gave are unfavorable and given that bias is a thing that is generally terribly hard to see:
How hard is it to accurately define a bias?
Because if it isn't accurately defined it can't be properly compensated for. Guiding a business right and profitably is to follow a narrow path. Wandering any old direction needs no path at all.

At most (all?) places the really low performers are already known. To their peers if not management. Memes abound on this general theme. Fortunes have been made poking fun at it. How to harness that common knowledge and let the low performers go, while avoiding lawsuits, is hard to figure.

NobodysHome" wrote:
Your concern makes logical sense, but my experience is that I can already look up a reasonable average salary for my position, so hiding my personal salary only allows the company to abuse me.

One more stab at disembodied logic:

A company with more than a few employees cannot stay in business by paying everyone a top salary unless they can pass that increased cost of doing business onto the customer. Like, we can't all be equally "rich" but we can all be equally "poor" and transparency would seem to be pull a given business towards the latter.

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NobodysHome" wrote:
And because I didn't spend all day every day watching videos, I was the "best employee [the owner] had ever had".

Yeah, but were you the best paid employee the owner ever had?

:D


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Have to run off, but I think there's one fundamental thing you're missing: Even good employees will stay at jobs that don't pay above-average wages if they're happy, well-treated, and feel they are appreciated and have job stability

Money isn't everything. I'd guess that's true for most employees.

So companies don't have to pay everyone a top salary. Lara Croft guy has been with her since the very beginning and could pretty much name a salary anywhere he wanted to go. He doesn't, because he's happy where he is. Shiro was the lowest-paid C-level executive I'd ever heard of, but he really enjoyed the job.

You need "high" salaries for new employees, but those salaries aren't that high; I'd guess a kid fresh out of college starting in my department might get $80,000/year. Seems like a mint. I'm making over 1.73x that, and yes, I am well worth it, because I can produce far more than twice a new employee's work. Same for CY. I'm guessing he's worth at least 3, and maybe 4, starting employees.

Once you lure the bright stars in with good starting salaries, it's more important to treat them well than it is to keep piling on the money.

EDIT: And your final quip is a good point: I was one of the lowest-paid workers at the store. But the owner made it VERY clear that I was his favorite, and I got to pick my hours, choose what days I didn't work, and otherwise got a ton of non-monetary compensation that's how you keep the good ones.


Executive summary:
Money isn't everything.

Got it! Thanks!

Aside:
At my first internship I was invited to a bi-weekly meeting that included principals or their representative from every department. So it was a big meeting a problems of varying degree would be brought up by the person in charge (PiC) of the whole operation and opinions solicited in round from everyone. One guy, by far not the best dressed or presented person in the room, would typically get picked last and he'd state his case in few words. The debate/conversation would continue among others and at some point the PiC would call the discussion to a close and announce a decision. Nearly every time the grumpy-disheveled guy had called it. I have no idea if he was ever properly recognized for his contributions.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Have to run off, but I think there's one fundamental thing you're missing: Even good employees will stay at jobs that don't pay above-average wages if they're happy, well-treated, and feel they are appreciated and have job stability

Money isn't everything. I'd guess that's true for most employees.

So companies don't have to pay everyone a top salary. Lara Croft guy has been with her since the very beginning and could pretty much name a salary anywhere he wanted to go. He doesn't, because he's happy where he is. Shiro was the lowest-paid C-level executive I'd ever heard of, but he really enjoyed the job.

You need "high" salaries for new employees, but those salaries aren't that high; I'd guess a kid fresh out of college starting in my department might get $80,000/year. Seems like a mint. I'm making over 1.73x that, and yes, I am well worth it, because I can produce far more than twice a new employee's work. Same for CY. I'm guessing he's worth at least 3, and maybe 4, starting employees.

Once you lure the bright stars in with good starting salaries, it's more important to treat them well than it is to keep piling on the money.

EDIT: And your final quip is a good point: I was one of the lowest-paid workers at the store. But the owner made it VERY clear that I was his favorite, and I got to pick my hours, choose what days I didn't work, and otherwise got a ton of non-monetary compensation that's how you keep the good ones.

This is true, though I do get paid top dollar for what I do I mostly work where I do because of the autonomy and respect I'm afforded.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Have to run off, but I think there's one fundamental thing you're missing: Even good employees will stay at jobs that don't pay above-average wages if they're happy, well-treated, and feel they are appreciated and have job stability

This quote will be of incredible importance in a few hours.


captain yesterday wrote:
This is true, though I do get paid top dollar for what I do I mostly work where I do because of the autonomy and respect I'm afforded.

But could the business be successful in your area if everyone got paid a top salary?

Or do they already? And if so, how?

Big money requires a big margin and some big difficulties in starting things up and/or running things. If it weren't so there would be a thousand McDonald's instead two (and a few boutique hamburger joints nibbling at the edges).


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Quark Blast wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
This is true, though I do get paid top dollar for what I do I mostly work where I do because of the autonomy and respect I'm afforded.

But could the business be successful in your area if everyone got paid a top salary?

Or do they already? And if so, how?

Big money requires a big margin and some big difficulties in starting things up and/or running things. If it weren't so there would be a thousand McDonald's instead two (and a few boutique hamburger joints nibbling at the edges).

All of the foremen and lead foremen are paid pretty good at work, I think the only people that aren't are is the summer help (high school kids and firefighters working to pass the firefighter test or CEOs on personal leave to get in shape (fun fact: I've bossed around the CEO of a fortune 500 company, he was a good sport!).

So yes, but we focus on high end quality with cutting edge technology and are an artistically focused company.


Quark Blast wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
This is true, though I do get paid top dollar for what I do I mostly work where I do because of the autonomy and respect I'm afforded.

But could the business be successful in your area if everyone got paid a top salary?

Or do they already? And if so, how?

Big money requires a big margin and some big difficulties in starting things up and/or running things. If it weren't so there would be a thousand McDonald's instead two (and a few boutique hamburger joints nibbling at the edges).

It really depends on your product/service and your market. Still, no, not everyone is going to be paid top end money. That won't happen in any capitalist society. But a good manager will take care of their people in other ways.

I stuck around in a horrible job for far longer than I should have simply because I had earned and had been given a ton of autonomy, latitude, and flexibility. That made it difficult to look at some other jobs knowing that I wouldn't have that at most any other position I moved to.

Edit: And I wouldn't call my previous boss "good" by the time I left. He was/is burnt out and mentally treading water just to collect a paycheck at this point.


Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Have to run off, but I think there's one fundamental thing you're missing: Even good employees will stay at jobs that don't pay above-average wages if they're happy, well-treated, and feel they are appreciated and have job stability
This quote will be of incredible importance in a few hours.

That sound ominous...


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Owie.

Internal frame, some of the hydraulic motivators, and joints aching.

Central Processing Unit slightly hazy and wastes some cycles on processing pain.

Input area mildly sore, with flares of low priority system warnings when handled without care.

Internal heat control trying to compensate for erroneous reading. Got better after getting up from daily maintenance pod, surprisingly, though it might have been mild pain suppression protocol applied orally that provided relief. Might be temporary.

5G still not installed.


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My advice would be to affix purity seals and chant mecha-mantras LXI, IV, and XXVI to the Machine God.

(Hope you feel better soon!)


Yeah, the shivers passed some time ago, headache is barely a background noise in the back of the skull.

Soreness of the arm is mostly gone, except when I am directly pressing in the area.


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Drejk wrote:

Owie.

Internal frame, some of the hydraulic motivators, and joints aching.

Central Processing Unit slightly hazy and wastes some cycles on processing pain.

Input area mildly sore, with flares of low priority system warnings when handled without care.

Internal heat control trying to compensate for erroneous reading. Got better after getting up from daily maintenance pod, surprisingly, though it might have been mild pain suppression protocol applied orally that provided relief. Might be temporary.

5G still not installed.

Have you tried turning it off and then back on again?


Thankfully, today's session was cancelled earlier so I can go back to sleep. And the GM took the opportunity of a free evening that can be spent unproductively to get his jab today morning.


gran rey de los mono wrote:
Drejk wrote:

Owie.

Internal frame, some of the hydraulic motivators, and joints aching.

Central Processing Unit slightly hazy and wastes some cycles on processing pain.

Input area mildly sore, with flares of low priority system warnings when handled without care.

Internal heat control trying to compensate for erroneous reading. Got better after getting up from daily maintenance pod, surprisingly, though it might have been mild pain suppression protocol applied orally that provided relief. Might be temporary.

5G still not installed.

Have you tried turning it off and then back on again?

Sort of. When I went to bed it went worse. Only after I got up it slowly got better over a few hours.


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Drejk wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
...lots of useful stuff...

Thanks! I got to tell Shiro he was wrong about the lack of standards, and he accepted it gracefully.

Given that, you're right -- the supply's almost certainly the culprit. Now it's just convincing them to let me replace it.

EDIT: Shiro and I want to go in and use a power supply tester he has lying around (because Shiro owns everything), but somehow neighbor girl doesn't want me inside of her computer again after lighting my hard drive on fire inside of it. Go figure...

Hey, you fried your own drive, not hers. Probably.

By the way, that smoke you saw is what IT refers to as "the magic smoke" or "the blue smoke" or variations on that theme. "The smoke is what makes this stuff work. If it gets out the things don't work anymore."

In one of my old pcs, which I had to keep open because the cables were getting loose and I had to manually push them back in place, bluish smoke showed from time to time. It kept working. Well, sort of. It tended to shut down at random times...

Oh, and at least once or twice, the smoke was caused by a cloth moth flying inside and getting friend. It might have burned out a music card slot or one of the hard drive busses...

NobodysHome (I almost miswrote "HobosHome"), have you checked those burned comps for cloth moth infestation?


Drejk wrote:
gran rey de los mono wrote:
Drejk wrote:

Owie.

Internal frame, some of the hydraulic motivators, and joints aching.

Central Processing Unit slightly hazy and wastes some cycles on processing pain.

Input area mildly sore, with flares of low priority system warnings when handled without care.

Internal heat control trying to compensate for erroneous reading. Got better after getting up from daily maintenance pod, surprisingly, though it might have been mild pain suppression protocol applied orally that provided relief. Might be temporary.

5G still not installed.

Have you tried turning it off and then back on again?
Sort of. When I went to bed it went worse. Only after I got up it slowly got better over a few hours.

Nah, that's sleep mode. You need a hard reboot. Try holding in your power button for 5 seconds.


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It's going to be an awesome day! I'm picking up Tiny T-Rex directly from school and we're going to go see an advanced screening for Spider-Man No Way Home.


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I'm in my suit and tie today, but I'm not going to work.

What could I be doing? Hmm...


After I went back to bed, the headache and the shivers returned.

I had worse - even the night after the first time was more painful and shaky, but still, I'd prefer that those sensations were gone by now.


Freehold DM wrote:

I'm in my suit and tie today, but I'm not going to work.

What could I be doing? Hmm...

Well, you're already married, it's five days before your birthday, so it's a bit too early for an elegant debauch, and I don't think the big shows in town have matinees on weekdays, so... that's my three guesses done. I give up. Now you have to tell us.


Drejk wrote:

After I went back to bed, the headache and the shivers returned.

I had worse - even the night after the first time was more painful and shaky, but still, I'd prefer that those sensations were gone by now.

Ugh. Feel better quickly.


Quark Blast wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
This is true, though I do get paid top dollar for what I do I mostly work where I do because of the autonomy and respect I'm afforded.

But could the business be successful in your area if everyone got paid a top salary?

Or do they already? And if so, how?

Big money requires a big margin and some big difficulties in starting things up and/or running things. If it weren't so there would be a thousand McDonald's instead two (and a few boutique hamburger joints nibbling at the edges).

The model is simpler than you think:

(1) For starting-level workers there's a lot of competition. Look at Wal*Mart offering $18/hour starting positions plus college tuitions. That's a ridiculous expense, -but- $18/hour is a nice low wage that they can attach benefits to. Similarly, $80k/year for a kid fresh out of college is risky, but it's significantly lower than $120k+/year for your veteran workers.

(2) Then the "magic" of capitalism happens. Extremely poor workers are fired. Poor workers don't receive raises, and nobody cares whether or not they leave. Good workers get raises that push them towards the top of the pay scale. This is the differentiator that you're missing: Companies don't bring people in at the top of the pay scale; they either grow them internally or poach them.

(3) Poaching is where the money is. A company needs a good experienced worker. They check other companies for people willing to come on board. And guess what? They demand to know your current salary (and they'll check with your manager before signing the offer), and if it's too low they'll likely avoid you as a low-performing candidate.

Companies don't have to pay everyone top-level wages. They compete with each other at the bottom for kids fresh out of college. They provide raises commensurate with performance. If they need an experienced worker, they try to poach one from another company.

Heck, we just poached our latest employee from another division. Good workers are rare and worth high salaries. The rest are home-grown and never end up getting paid all that much. If you see that the pay scale for a vet is from $70-$150k and you come in and ask for $150k, the immediate statement from the hiring manager is going to be, "OK, prove that that's how much you were getting paid at your last job."

Employers have no reason to pay you at the top of the salary range. You have to prove yourself, work yourself up that high through raises, then report your prior salary to companies that want to hire you.

EDIT: For example, my friend who was getting only $48,000. If he moved to a new company and demanded $130,000, they would have just said, "No," and moved on.

EDIT 2: And sure, you can refuse to divulge your prior salary. But that's a red flag you'd be hard-pressed to overcome. "I don't want to discuss my prior salary" translates to "problem worker we shouldn't hire".


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Freehold DM wrote:

I'm in my suit and tie today, but I'm not going to work.

What could I be doing? Hmm...

You have joined The Three Bottoms: an Affectionate Tribute to The Four Tops?


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Limeylongears wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

I'm in my suit and tie today, but I'm not going to work.

What could I be doing? Hmm...

You have joined The Three Bottoms: an Affectionate Tribute to The Four Tops?

Cookies.


captain yesterday wrote:

Behold, a monolith bar!

Last official project for the year!

That is pretty dang sweet, I would drink off of that anytime!


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GothBard: There are ants in the pantry.
NobodysHome: Awesome! That means we're going to have a good rain season!
GothBard: They're probably getting into the sugar!
NobodysHome: Meh. We had too much stored up there anyway.
GothBard: You know, most people hate ants! What is wrong with you?

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