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And there is the RL issue with the first and second arcs of fourth season being compressed to fit into the fourth season, when the filming the fifth season was still in question. Originally, the second arc was supposed to take fifth season and could have been better.

Sadly, the fifth season being greenlit later and having to be created afterwards with new content suffered in quality (though it still has some excellent stories).


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Freehold DM wrote:
Part of me, a very small part, wanted to like 5e. Buy 5e is TOO simple for my tastes. That, and the lifting of the advantage/disadvantage system left a bad taste in my mouth.

Where did they lift it from?

Pretty much all of my long-time gaming group has switched to 5E, so I feel like it's *ahem* inevitable for me to actually learn it. But I'm not really motivated to learn a new system these days, so my learning has been slow. It'll happen when it happens. From what I understand it's not that hard.

But whenever I think of rpgs, I think in the language of PF1 and 3.x. That's frustrating, because it's only in the past few years that I stopped thinking in the language of AD&D.

*********

We're supposed to get a cold front tomorrow, the official first day of fall.


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lisamarlene wrote:

The summer weather finally broke and it's DOWN to the 80s here, most likely through the end of October.

I am wearing a flannel in celebration.

... Just a flannel*? One flannel?

Well well. Texas is a more liberal place than I realised.

*:

This is our word for what USians would call a washcloth, he explains

Also, I now have the phrase 'stack buffs in buff slacks' running around my head unceasingly. I think I need to go to sleep.


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Drejk wrote:

And there is the RL issue with the first and second arcs of fourth season being compressed to fit into the fourth season, when the filming the fifth season was still in question. Originally, the second arc was supposed to take fifth season and could have been better.

Sadly, the fifth season being greenlit later and having to be created afterwards with new content suffered in quality (though it still has some excellent stories).

I've always wondered about that. Season 4 is amazingly dense, and seems to wrap up all the pertinent plot points...

...then suddenly there's a Season 5 and everyone asks, "Why?"

RPG Superstar 2012

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NobodysHome wrote:
Drejk wrote:

And there is the RL issue with the first and second arcs of fourth season being compressed to fit into the fourth season, when the filming the fifth season was still in question. Originally, the second arc was supposed to take fifth season and could have been better.

Sadly, the fifth season being greenlit later and having to be created afterwards with new content suffered in quality (though it still has some excellent stories).

I've always wondered about that. Season 4 is amazingly dense, and seems to wrap up all the pertinent plot points...

...then suddenly there's a Season 5 and everyone asks, "Why?"

Especially since Season 5 was very...uneven.


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I never made it past episode 3 or 4.


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taig wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Drejk wrote:

And there is the RL issue with the first and second arcs of fourth season being compressed to fit into the fourth season, when the filming the fifth season was still in question. Originally, the second arc was supposed to take fifth season and could have been better.

Sadly, the fifth season being greenlit later and having to be created afterwards with new content suffered in quality (though it still has some excellent stories).

I've always wondered about that. Season 4 is amazingly dense, and seems to wrap up all the pertinent plot points...

...then suddenly there's a Season 5 and everyone asks, "Why?"
Especially since Season 5 was very...uneven.

Oh, so much...

*taps fingers on the table*


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taig wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Drejk wrote:

And there is the RL issue with the first and second arcs of fourth season being compressed to fit into the fourth season, when the filming the fifth season was still in question. Originally, the second arc was supposed to take fifth season and could have been better.

Sadly, the fifth season being greenlit later and having to be created afterwards with new content suffered in quality (though it still has some excellent stories).

I've always wondered about that. Season 4 is amazingly dense, and seems to wrap up all the pertinent plot points...

...then suddenly there's a Season 5 and everyone asks, "Why?"
Especially since Season 5 was very...uneven.

By the time the Season 5 was confirmed, JMS already used up the storyline he had for the Babylon 5 and had to use much less developed ideas that he intended for future stories, and improvise some others. I guess that fifth season had the most number of episodes being written by guest writers (such as Gaiman and Harlan Ellison who otherwise acted as consultant on the whole series).

RPG Superstar 2012

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Drejk wrote:
taig wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Drejk wrote:

And there is the RL issue with the first and second arcs of fourth season being compressed to fit into the fourth season, when the filming the fifth season was still in question. Originally, the second arc was supposed to take fifth season and could have been better.

Sadly, the fifth season being greenlit later and having to be created afterwards with new content suffered in quality (though it still has some excellent stories).

I've always wondered about that. Season 4 is amazingly dense, and seems to wrap up all the pertinent plot points...

...then suddenly there's a Season 5 and everyone asks, "Why?"
Especially since Season 5 was very...uneven.
By the time the Season 5 was confirmed, JMS already used up the storyline he had for the Babylon 5 and had to use much less developed ideas that he intended for future stories, and improvise some others. I guess that fifth season had the most number of episodes being written by guest writers (such as Gaiman and Harlan Ellison who otherwise acted as consultant on the whole series).

I get why it happened. Season 5 should have been the second half of a decompressed Season 4, and the resulting Season 5 smacked of scrambling to come up with something.


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About to go home. Good night, everyone.


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Good night, John!


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Personally, I hate fall as it's the furthest point away from summer as you can get.

This year might not be so bad as the boss is trying to put together a indoor heated workshop so I can keep carving out boulders and Roman numerals and preassemble pebble mosaics. When I'm not clearing snow that is, this is still Wisconsin after all.


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captain yesterday wrote:

Personally, I hate fall as it's the furthest point away from summer as you can get.

This year might not be so bad as the boss is trying to put together a indoor heated workshop so I can keep carving out boulders and Roman numerals and preassemble pebble mosaics. When I'm not clearing snow that is, this is still Wisconsin after all.

Shouldn't be more than a week or so before your first snowfall, right?


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gran rey de los mono wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

Personally, I hate fall as it's the furthest point away from summer as you can get.

This year might not be so bad as the boss is trying to put together a indoor heated workshop so I can keep carving out boulders and Roman numerals and preassemble pebble mosaics. When I'm not clearing snow that is, this is still Wisconsin after all.

Shouldn't be more than a week or so before your first snowfall, right?

jealous grumbles

Don't remind me!


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gran rey de los mono wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

Personally, I hate fall as it's the furthest point away from summer as you can get.

This year might not be so bad as the boss is trying to put together a indoor heated workshop so I can keep carving out boulders and Roman numerals and preassemble pebble mosaics. When I'm not clearing snow that is, this is still Wisconsin after all.

Shouldn't be more than a week or so before your first snowfall, right?

Yes, thereabouts.


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I'm almost done building a wall. Not to brag but it's a pretty nice wall, and exceptionally sturdy to boot!

At some point, probably next spring, I'll be installing a 3-D pattern patio on top of it. And then someone else will be installing a swimming pool a few feet in front of it (right now there's a big pile of dirt where the pool will go).


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captain yesterday wrote:

I'm almost done building a wall. Not to brag but it's a pretty nice wall, and exceptionally sturdy to boot!

At some point, probably next spring, I'll be installing a 3-D pattern patio on top of it. And then someone else will be installing a swimming pool a few feet in front of it (right now there's a big pile of dirt where the pool will go).

I'm no expert, but isn't a big pile of dirt the opposite of a swimming pool?

RPG Superstar 2012

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gran rey de los mono wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

I'm almost done building a wall. Not to brag but it's a pretty nice wall, and exceptionally sturdy to boot!

At some point, probably next spring, I'll be installing a 3-D pattern patio on top of it. And then someone else will be installing a swimming pool a few feet in front of it (right now there's a big pile of dirt where the pool will go).

I'm no expert, but isn't a big pile of dirt the opposite of a swimming pool?

It depends on what you like to swim in. Don't judge me!


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Ironically, in this particular situation you can't build a pool without the big pile of dirt.

Also, if I get bored I can jump in a skid loader and push it around.


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Imagine, if you will, a wonderful place where one gets to stare at spreadsheets while, in a 30 minute period, listening to Ace of Base (twice), Backstreet Boys, Vanilla Ice and Hanson - and getting paid.

'Such a paradise cannot exist!', I hear you explain, amazed and envious beyond reckoning, but, friends, I'm here to tell you that it can.

And I work there.


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This may be considered mildly political, but hopefully not a ton.

It's really sad how people are taught the twofold lesson of, "Nothing I do makes a difference," and, "I have a right to complete personal freedom, no matter how it impacts anyone else."

A couple of weeks ago Shiro's family had their annual reunion in the South, in spite of raging COVID there. This last weekend, one of Impus Major's friends went to a wedding in Georgia. No one bothered to mask or social distance.

It's a vicious cycle that explains why we've had to live with COVID for nearly ten times longer than it should have lasted:

(1) People can't be bothered to adhere to the provided guidelines. (And yes, the U.S. government has MUCH to answer for in this case due to their utterly botched messaging.)

(2) With people ignoring the safety guidelines, the disease runs near-unchecked throughout the country, spreading, re-spreading, mutating, and spreading again.

(3) Those people who ARE following the guidelines get sick to death of the neverending pandemic, and many choose to STOP following the guidelines because it's just too depressing and exhausting and doesn't seem to make a difference.

(4) The cycle begins anew.

Even Impus Major is affected. During the first surge, he was unbelievably careful because he didn't want to risk infecting any of us old folk. After we all got vaccinated he relaxed quite a bit. But at this point his attitude is kind of "affable cavalierness". He still wears a mask when he goes out because he likes the fashion statement, but when his friend came back from attending a non-guideline wedding in a COVID hotspot, Impus Major didn't think to wear a mask nor social distance around him. Once he was reminded he did, but both kids gave out big sighs and asked, "What? Again?"

Yep. Until everyone starts behaving, we're stuck in an eternal cycle.

I figure in another year or two COVID will be no more deadly than the flu and we'll be reduced to yet another endemic disease we could have prevented, but that now we simply live with.

EDIT: I have to register a disclaimer: We live in an area where mask wearing isn't controversial, so none of us have so much as been looked at sideways for wearing masks. Impus Minor and I used to take 10-15 "real" sick days a year, plus I took several more for hay fever, and we've had a grand total of 1.5 sick days in the last 18 months thanks to the guidelines. So we're converts to, "Wear masks, avoid people, and enjoy an (almost) illness-free, (almost) hay fever-free life."
It's a minor inconvenience for something we're appreciating.


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I HUNGER


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Hi there FHDM


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and Hi to everyone else, of course


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only 5331 pages ?


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some familiar faces still in here :-) good to see


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AEGLOS

OH MY GOD

HOW ARE YOU


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So, these two college kids are sweating and struggling to dig out around this drain tile, so I walk by, stroke my goatee and say to them "You know that's just a piece, right? It doesn't go anywhere" "What?!" Says the older college kid, so I then pull out the foot long piece of drain tile as they throw down their shovels, exasperated.


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Freehold DM wrote:

AEGLOS

OH MY GOD

HOW ARE YOU

not bad actually.

last year my wife had to battle cancer, but she won. Chemo therapy during lockdown was no fun.
Boy started second year of elementary school a few werks ago.
still playing pathfinder 1e every friday

how are you ?

Scarab Sages

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While the situation isnt good, I do love seeing Mr Slanky and Gorbac tear a troll a new one.

Grand Lodge

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Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

You must mean Totally Not Gorbacz.


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aeglos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

AEGLOS

OH MY GOD

HOW ARE YOU

not bad actually.

last year my wife had to battle cancer, but she won. Chemo therapy during lockdown was no fun.
Boy started second year of elementary school a few werks ago.
still playing pathfinder 1e every friday

how are you ?

I'm so very very glad your wife kicked cancers ass. I'm also glad to hear your son is in the second grade!


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aeglos wrote:
only 5331 pages ?

We are not that young anymore, you know, we can't focus all of our attention on the thread.

*waves*

How is Sabine?


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
You must mean Totally Not Gorbacz.

Whoever they are, they are doing great Gorbacz impression.

Silver Crusade

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Afternoon, all. What did I miss?


lisamarlene wrote:

It's Whingey Wizzard, aka Dr. Darling,'s birthday tomorrow. (He will be 52.)

Because Miz Daisy, his mother, is "allergic" to cane sugar and its derivatives, gluten, dairy, chocolate, and fun, also air, instead of a cake, I'm baking a single-layer sized slab of the brownies I devised to put in her Christmas stocking one year. They don't actually taste like chocolate, but they're almost good if you concentrate on the flavors of the nuts, cherries, and coconut oil. But, basically, it's equal portions gf baking mixture, almond meal, coconut oil, coconut sugar, carob powder, diced cherries, toasted pecan bits, and egg, with a bit of vanilla and baking powder thrown in.

My soul is rebelling at calling this a birthday dessert, so when I was at the British grocery across town this morning, I picked up a miniature candelabra for birthday candles with a spike that sticks into the top of the "cake". I'm hoping this will make it look a bit less forlorn and sad. Perhaps it will only accentuate the sorrow. Perhaps I could find a recording of Werner Herzog singing "Happy Birthday" to give the whole scene the proper ambience.

Happy his birthday!

... uh, several days late! Whoops!

Silver Crusade

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aeglos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

AEGLOS

OH MY GOD

HOW ARE YOU

not bad actually.

last year my wife had to battle cancer, but she won. Chemo therapy during lockdown was no fun.
Boy started second year of elementary school a few werks ago.
still playing pathfinder 1e every friday

how are you ?

AEGLOS!!!

Good to see you!

I am glad to see that your wife is doing well. I was able to follow her journey on Facebook (yes, Facebook is good for something).


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Celestial Healer wrote:
Afternoon, all. What did I miss?

AEGLOS!


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aeglos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

AEGLOS

OH MY GOD

HOW ARE YOU

not bad actually.

last year my wife had to battle cancer, but she won. Chemo therapy during lockdown was no fun.
Boy started second year of elementary school a few werks ago.
still playing pathfinder 1e every friday

how are you ?

It’s great to see you aeglos. I’m glad Sabine is doing well.


Umbral Reaver wrote:

I'm finally getting back into Gamemastering, I guess! Been struggling with chronic illness a lot so haven't had the strength, but now I've put together something that tries to share that burden some.

Hoping it goes well.

Oh, man, I've been there. I'm glad you're starting to heal up?

We've been taking extreme care just for our extended family among all this, but it also seems to have helped (somewhat) us at home, too.


lisamarlene wrote:
WW was shocked to hear I'd never seen Space 1999, so now that we've finished WandaVision and Loki, we're watching the first season so I can be educated. Thank you, YouTube.

I, uh... don't know if I've ever heard of it.


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Tacticslion wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
WW was shocked to hear I'd never seen Space 1999, so now that we've finished WandaVision and Loki, we're watching the first season so I can be educated. Thank you, YouTube.
I, uh... don't know if I've ever heard of it.

OK, sure, I know. I'm old.

But I can't believe I was the only one who avidly watched this show when it came out. Star Trek was on once a week, and it was already in reruns by the time I was a fan, so I'd already seen them all and could practically recite the lines. Star Wars was a distant glint in the future.

So TV20 gave us Space: 1999 to fill our sci-fi gap.

It was crap, but it was the mid-1970s. ANY sci-fi you could get on your regular old non-cable, rabbit-eared TV with even VCRs objects of the future was worth watching.

And don't get me started on Doctor Who. Our local PBS station didn't carry it, so if we wanted to see it we had to find a friend in the Berkeley hills who was high enough up to receive channel 54. We didn't bother.


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NobodysHome: Impus Minor, do you really want me to go to Back to School night tonight? They gave me one day's notice and I have better things to do, so I'm thinking of cutting.
Impus Minor: Watch out, Dad! If you cut even ONE class, then you have to miss the next 10 days!


Patrick Curtin wrote:
aeglos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

AEGLOS

OH MY GOD

HOW ARE YOU

not bad actually.

last year my wife had to battle cancer, but she won. Chemo therapy during lockdown was no fun.
Boy started second year of elementary school a few werks ago.
still playing pathfinder 1e every friday

how are you ?

It’s great to see you aeglos. I’m glad Sabine is doing well.

Hi, Patrick!

Hi, Aeglos!

Good to see you, all!


Woran wrote:
While the situation isnt good, I do love seeing Mr Slanky and Gorbac tear a troll a new one.

Shame I missed this!


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Why did someone think it a good idea to 'infuse' beer with chili, lime and salt, and why did I buy it and drink it?

Like swigging from a compost heap - revolting. Beer with a bit of salt in has a fine old Northern English pedigree, at least, going back to the times when we used to have heavy industry and people needed to replenish what they'd sweated out, but the makers of this abomination certainly didn't have that in mind, the objects.


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Apparently the gentrification in our neighborhood is so bad, they're writing about it in The Guardian. And every word of the article is true.

Full disclosure, we live in the "haves" side, the northern part, because WW's great-grandparents helped his folks buy the house in the 60s.


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Limeylongears wrote:

Why did someone think it a good idea to 'infuse' beer with chili, lime and salt, and why did I buy it and drink it?

Like swigging from a compost heap - revolting. Beer with a bit of salt in has a fine old Northern English pedigree, at least, going back to the times when we used to have heavy industry and people needed to replenish what they'd sweated out, but the makers of this abomination certainly didn't have that in mind, the objects.

Some of the 'beverages' that they've been touting locally are 'flavourless malt beverage passed in front of a fruity flavouring to give the impression of taste'.

There used to be a drink called 'Zima'. Folks used to laugh at it, but y'know, drop a lime in a glass of one of those and it was *good to go*...


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It all tastes like chicken to me.


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"Insanity isn't talking to yourself. It is arguing with yourself and then losing the argument."

Ha!

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