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Mrs Sunrise and I have been playing cards, which has gotten me calculating texas holdem odds. Everything seems to make sense, except for my flush odds. If you're into poker or math, I'd appreciate a look-over!

Spoilered for the dark arts:

Spoiler:
In a five-card 'hand,' at least two will be the same suit, so I start my calculation once the third card is drawn. Let's say the first two cards are hearts.

There are 11 hearts left in the deck, and the deck is now down to 50 cards. So the odds of that third card being a heart is (11/50).

Similarly the odds of the fourth being a heart is (10/49) and the fifth is (9/48).

So the odds of all five being hearts, aka a hearts flush, is (11/50)*(10/49)*(9/48) = 0.0084...

Is my math buggered somewhere...?


Woran wrote:
Simon was dead in the cage this morning. His little heart had given out :(

AWww that's so sad.. I'm gonna give my rats extra play and enrichment this week in honor of yours.


I got a job offer today to teach poetry in prison. I've been weighing the prose and cons.


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Is a country of lazy people a procrastination?


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My mother lied to me. As a kid, she always used to say "You can be anyone you want to be". But when I tried to put that advice into practice, the police called it "Identity Theft" and I got sent to jail.


gran rey de los mono wrote:
Is a country of lazy people a procrastination?

Silly mammals.


gran rey de los mono wrote:
My mother lied to me. As a kid, she always used to say "You can be anyone you want to be". But when I tried to put that advice into practice, the police called it "Identity Theft" and I got sent to jail.

You just have to be better at it.


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Shower thought: Mrs. Incredible probably had the easiest 3 childbirths of anyone ever.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Shower thought: Mrs. Incredible probably had the easiest 3 childbirths of anyone ever.

That might be a stretch.


The problem with having three dogs and five cats is that there is ALWAYS someone who wants attention. For example, the cat sitting in my lap right now.


Sharoth wrote:
The problem with having three dogs and five cats is that there is ALWAYS someone who wants attention. For example, the cat sitting in my lap right now.

You have to give them all their attention or it would be a Cat-tastrophe. The animals might raise the Roof.


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Friday night for family movie night, we gave the kids a double feature: the TOS episode "Arena" (the one where Kirk fights the Gorn), followed by Galaxy Quest.

Hermione thinks Sigourney Weaver should have been the captain.


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If they are old enough watch weaver in the first four alien movies. She kicks much butt even though not the captain in any of them.

We forget sometimes how tall she really is.—— six feet.


Un-Bear-able Puns wrote:
Sharoth wrote:
The problem with having three dogs and five cats is that there is ALWAYS someone who wants attention. For example, the cat sitting in my lap right now.
You have to give them all their attention or it would be a Cat-tastrophe. The animals might raise the Roof.

That would be rather ruff.


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Gauging what will give them nightmares and what won't is tricky; they had no trouble with the uruk-hai and battle sequences in LOTR, but freaked out over the winged monkeys in Wizard of Oz and never want to see it again. They wete fine with the Death Eaters and all the killing in the Harry Potter films, but when I put a murder investigation and a dead body in our Ankh Morpork City Watch Pathfinder game, Hermione had nightmares.

Kids are weird.


But I can bearly handle all the dogs cats.


Teensy Valeros: "Why does Snape tell the Captain, "I see you managed to get your shirt off"?

Me: "It's a joke about Captain Kirk. Anytime he did anything... fought an alien, opened a jar of pickles, sneezed, his shirt magically tore off."

Val: "So is that why he has to just sit like that in that chair?"


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:

Mrs Sunrise and I have been playing cards, which has gotten me calculating texas holdem odds. Everything seems to make sense, except for my flush odds. If you're into poker or math, I'd appreciate a look-over!

Spoilered for the dark arts:
** spoiler omitted **

Yes. You assume that the first two cards are of the same suit, which isn't valid. Here's a nice detailed discussion of how to get the probability.


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lisamarlene wrote:

Gauging what will give them nightmares and what won't is tricky; they had no trouble with the uruk-hai and battle sequences in LOTR, but freaked out over the winged monkeys in Wizard of Oz and never want to see it again. They wete fine with the Death Eaters and all the killing in the Harry Potter films, but when I put a murder investigation and a dead body in our Ankh Morpork City Watch Pathfinder game, Hermione had nightmares.

Kids are weird.

interesting.

The gumball blood scene in Wizard of Oz still haunts me.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:

Mrs Sunrise and I have been playing cards, which has gotten me calculating texas holdem odds. Everything seems to make sense, except for my flush odds. If you're into poker or math, I'd appreciate a look-over!

Spoilered for the dark arts:
** spoiler omitted **

Yes. You assume that the first two cards are of the same suit, which isn't valid. Here's a nice detailed discussion of how to get the probability.

While I am glad you have found something to get you through these dark days, this is indeed the practice of the speakable arts. Please report to your nearest Freehold for Renewal.


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One year ago today I was blasting a patio with a flamethrower (if you have a cooler way for drying off a patio I'd seriously like to hear it).

So, in celebration I dub today Flamethrower Appreciation Day.

Silver Crusade

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NobodysHome wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:

Mrs Sunrise and I have been playing cards, which has gotten me calculating texas holdem odds. Everything seems to make sense, except for my flush odds. If you're into poker or math, I'd appreciate a look-over!

Spoilered for the dark arts:
** spoiler omitted **

Yes. You assume that the first two cards are of the same suit, which isn't valid. Here's a nice detailed discussion of how to get the probability.

This looks like it’s for stud poker, though, and TS’s scenario assumes some sort of draw is occurring, which will manipulate the odds.

However, the odds shouldn’t be any worse than they would be in stud poker, so this is probably a good place to start.

Edit: I stand corrected. Rereading TS’s post, he absolutely supposed stud poker, and the article answers it perfectly. My head went to hold’em or draw, but it is not in TS’s question. However, my mind is still working on how to modify the odds for these other possibilities.


Celestial Healer wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:

Mrs Sunrise and I have been playing cards, which has gotten me calculating texas holdem odds. Everything seems to make sense, except for my flush odds. If you're into poker or math, I'd appreciate a look-over!

Spoilered for the dark arts:
** spoiler omitted **

Yes. You assume that the first two cards are of the same suit, which isn't valid. Here's a nice detailed discussion of how to get the probability.

This looks like it’s for stud poker, though, and TS’s scenario assumes some sort of draw is occurring, which will manipulate the odds.

However, the odds shouldn’t be any worse than they would be in stud poker, so this is probably a good place to start.

Renewal! Renewal!


captain yesterday wrote:

One year ago today I was blasting a patio with a flamethrower (if you have a cooler way for drying off a patio I'd seriously like to hear it).

So, in celebration I dub today Flamethrower Appreciation Day.

Burn! BURN!

Silver Crusade

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As long as we’re raising Freehold’s hackles, here is my favorite probability problem, the Monty Hall problem.

I love it because the correct answer flies in the face of everything one knows about probability (prompting at least 1000 college professors denouncing it as incorrect).


More maths:
So, if you want to follow your method of counting down, the issue is that you can't neglect past cards. So assuming no draws, your probability of a flush is (52/52) (your first card) * (12/51) * (11/50) * (10/49) * (9/48). You'll get the same answer that the probability of getting dealt a flush is around 0.2%. Just because you have a 100% chance of at least two cards matching doesn't mean you can start with, "Assume two cards match, then proceed from there."

Probability's a bear.


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Celestial Healer wrote:

As long as we’re raising Freehold’s hackles, here is my favorite probability problem, the Monty Hall problem.

I love it because the correct answer flies in the face of everything one knows about probability (prompting at least 1000 college professors denouncing it as incorrect).

There are HUGE variety of such problems, and yeah, I love 'em, because they prove that knowing a negative provides information allowing you to know a positive. (Another one is the Five Hat Problem.)

EDIT: One thing that baffles me about the way we teach probability is that this is one of the most powerful algorithms in all of probability: We so often tell our students, "OK, it's really hard to calculate the probability of this happening" (for example, winning the lottery), so let's calculate the probability of it not happening."

And it's much easier to calculate the negative result, but we never link that to, "Knowing nothing means you know something."


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captures CH and NH

gives them 70s haircuts, super tight outfits, pants with bellbottoms

chases them throughout the wastes of the desert in souped up future car with clunky looking ray gun


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Freehold DM wrote:

captures CH and NH

gives them 70s haircuts, super tight outfits, pants with bellbottoms

chases them throughout the wastes of the desert in souped up future car with clunky looking ray gun

Freehold gets all the cookies today.


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Freehold DM wrote:

captures CH and NH

gives them 70s haircuts, super tight outfits, pants with bellbottoms

chases them throughout the wastes of the desert in souped up future car with clunky looking ray gun

You describe my dreams and ambitions...


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So, FaWtL was right.

Yesterday I put out the last known Legos, and again they were gone in under 2 hours.

So... 3 full Rubbermaid bins (both bins and Legos gone), a full moving box, and a full grocery bag, all moved on to happier homes, with not a single Lego hitting the landfill. (Yeah, Playmobil wasn't as lucky, but it's not as versatile. Legos are the universal language of kid toy.)


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Fantasy Monster: Arachnificer. A spidery construct that maintains your dungeon, mending all those crumbling walls and columns.

Scarab Sages

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Orthos wrote:

Scint and I just got home a couple hours ago with a new friend.

Meet Sophie.

DOGGO DOGGO DOGGO

Scarab Sages

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captain yesterday wrote:

One year ago today I was blasting a patio with a flamethrower (if you have a cooler way for drying off a patio I'd seriously like to hear it).

So, in celebration I dub today Flamethrower Appreciation Day.

Well....

There could be two flame throwers?

Scarab Sages

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Went to the zoo to cheer up.
Illigally petted animals.
still have all fingers.


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:

Mrs Sunrise and I have been playing cards, which has gotten me calculating texas holdem odds. Everything seems to make sense, except for my flush odds. If you're into poker or math, I'd appreciate a look-over!

Spoilered for the dark arts:
** spoiler omitted **

Yes. You assume that the first two cards are of the same suit, which isn't valid. Here's a nice detailed discussion of how to get the probability.

While I am glad you have found something to get you through these dark days, this is indeed the practice of the speakable arts. Please report to your nearest Freehold for Renewal.

Alternatively, slip into the dreaming derivative, descend into algorithms from whence there will be no remainder, and cosine your soul to the deepest depths of operations.


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NobodysHome wrote:

So, FaWtL was right.

Yesterday I put out the last known Legos, and again they were gone in under 2 hours.

So... 3 full Rubbermaid bins (both bins and Legos gone), a full moving box, and a full grocery bag, all moved on to happier homes, with not a single Lego hitting the landfill. (Yeah, Playmobil wasn't as lucky, but it's not as versatile. Legos are the universal language of kid toy.)

Blocks for the Block Throne!


Freehold DM wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

One year ago today I was blasting a patio with a flamethrower (if you have a cooler way for drying off a patio I'd seriously like to hear it).

So, in celebration I dub today Flamethrower Appreciation Day.

Burn! BURN!

You rang?


NobodysHome wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Indeed it is, thanks NH.

Celestial Healer wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:

Mrs Sunrise and I have been playing cards, which has gotten me calculating texas holdem odds. Everything seems to make sense, except for my flush odds. If you're into poker or math, I'd appreciate a look-over!

Spoilered for the dark arts:
** spoiler omitted **

Yes. You assume that the first two cards are of the same suit, which isn't valid. Here's a nice detailed discussion of how to get the probability.

This looks like it’s for stud poker, though, and TS’s scenario assumes some sort of draw is occurring, which will manipulate the odds.

However, the odds shouldn’t be any worse than they would be in stud poker, so this is probably a good place to start.

Edit: I stand corrected. Rereading TS’s post, he absolutely supposed stud poker, and the article answers it perfectly. My head went to hold’em or draw, but it is not in TS’s question. However, my mind is still working on how to modify the odds for these other possibilities.

No you were right the first time. For the purpose of calculating odds I supposed a stud-like scenario, but Mrs Sunrise knows texas holdem so that's what we play. (And I know less poker than she does.) Anyway, all this calculation is just to compare hand rankings, so I don't think the poker variant matters -- I could be mistaken though.

Anyhow, NH's explanation does knock my calculations into more sense, but I'm still a bit confused. According to calcs, a flush is easier to draw (~0.002) than a straight (~0.0007), yet in poker a flush is also ranked higher than a straight. So either I screwed up my straight-calcs too, or this is just one of those wrinkles that most games have.


NobodysHome wrote:

So, FaWtL was right.

Yesterday I put out the last known Legos, and again they were gone in under 2 hours.

So... 3 full Rubbermaid bins (both bins and Legos gone), a full moving box, and a full grocery bag, all moved on to happier homes, with not a single Lego hitting the landfill. (Yeah, Playmobil wasn't as lucky, but it's not as versatile. Legos are the universal language of kid toy.)

Well, if someone can even find a "use" for 44 old Furbies, then, yes, all toys are potentially useful.


(Seriously, though, that's how Hermione and Val got most of their stash; our former pastor's children were in college and she was wanting to get rid of three massive rubbermaid totes of assorted Legos. The boxes also included a massive Lego Mindstorms kit, unused, and an unopened equally massive Hexbug Strand Beast XL.)

SHE SAID SHE COULDN'T GET RID OF THEM. (She also wasn't comfortable with ebay and it wasn't worth her time.)


lisamarlene wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

So, FaWtL was right.

Yesterday I put out the last known Legos, and again they were gone in under 2 hours.

So... 3 full Rubbermaid bins (both bins and Legos gone), a full moving box, and a full grocery bag, all moved on to happier homes, with not a single Lego hitting the landfill. (Yeah, Playmobil wasn't as lucky, but it's not as versatile. Legos are the universal language of kid toy.)

Well, if someone can even find a "use" for 44 old Furbies, then, yes, all toys are potentially useful.
I'd check the link that Limey posted yesterday:
Limeylongears wrote:

THE FURBY ORGAN, A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT MADE FROM FURBIES

Utterly horrifying.


NobodysHome wrote:

So, FaWtL was right.

Yesterday I put out the last known Legos, and again they were gone in under 2 hours.

So... 3 full Rubbermaid bins (both bins and Legos gone), a full moving box, and a full grocery bag, all moved on to happier homes, with not a single Lego hitting the landfill. (Yeah, Playmobil wasn't as lucky, but it's not as versatile. Legos are the universal language of kid toy.)

Rubbermaid bins?


Limeylongears wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

So, FaWtL was right.

Yesterday I put out the last known Legos, and again they were gone in under 2 hours.

So... 3 full Rubbermaid bins (both bins and Legos gone), a full moving box, and a full grocery bag, all moved on to happier homes, with not a single Lego hitting the landfill. (Yeah, Playmobil wasn't as lucky, but it's not as versatile. Legos are the universal language of kid toy.)

Rubbermaid bins?

They don't have this brand in England?


lisamarlene wrote:
Limeylongears wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

So, FaWtL was right.

Yesterday I put out the last known Legos, and again they were gone in under 2 hours.

So... 3 full Rubbermaid bins (both bins and Legos gone), a full moving box, and a full grocery bag, all moved on to happier homes, with not a single Lego hitting the landfill. (Yeah, Playmobil wasn't as lucky, but it's not as versatile. Legos are the universal language of kid toy.)

Rubbermaid bins?
They don't have this brand in England?

*google* Apparently they can be bought in Poland, at least some Polish internet shop had them.


I installed a nice looking game called Furi... Went through the intro and into the first battle. Only to get totally disappointed as the game relies on extreme split-second timing. Basically I reached the second phase of the first enemy when you have to parry two attacks in a succession, yeah, right. The first one, fine, the second one? Nope. The internet offered extremely unhelpful advice of "git gut" and a bit of somehow decent advice regarding the first parry (react to sound and not the flash) but nothing worthwhile about defending against the immediate second attack (where parrying on the sound cue doesn't seem to work).

I am too old to waste my time on games that are that much dependent on narrow timing.


I am installing Shadow Of Mordor instead. Ugh, 40-something GB. I wonder if it will be passably playable on my laptop, though.

It might be another case of install-try playing-uninstall-wait for hypothetical better computer...


Ok, the disc space allocation finished, the installing started. Steam client is showing 20-24 MB/s, there's at least that.


Drejk wrote:

I installed a nice looking game called Furi... Went through the intro and into the first battle. Only to get totally disappointed as the game relies on extreme split-second timing. Basically I reached the second phase of the first enemy when you have to parry two attacks in a succession, yeah, right. The first one, fine, the second one? Nope. The internet offered extremely unhelpful advice of "git gut" and a bit of somehow decent advice regarding the first parry (react to sound and not the flash) but nothing worthwhile about defending against the immediate second attack (where parrying on the sound cue doesn't seem to work).

I am too old to waste my time on games that are that much dependent on narrow timing.

Yeah, it seems like the game was designed to appeal to the Dark Souls crowd, whose most vocal members are typically of the opinion that helping someone out reduces the effort they have to spend learning to master the game on their own. I.e., since they had to learn it the hard way on their own, no one else should be able to have it any easier.


Orthos wrote:
Drejk wrote:

I installed a nice looking game called Furi... Went through the intro and into the first battle. Only to get totally disappointed as the game relies on extreme split-second timing. Basically I reached the second phase of the first enemy when you have to parry two attacks in a succession, yeah, right. The first one, fine, the second one? Nope. The internet offered extremely unhelpful advice of "git gut" and a bit of somehow decent advice regarding the first parry (react to sound and not the flash) but nothing worthwhile about defending against the immediate second attack (where parrying on the sound cue doesn't seem to work).

I am too old to waste my time on games that are that much dependent on narrow timing.

Yeah, it seems like the game was designed to appeal to the Dark Souls crowd, whose most vocal members are typically of the opinion that helping someone out reduces the effort they have to spend learning to master the game on their own. I.e., since they had to learn it the hard way on their own, no one else should be able to have it any easier.

Running into that attitude with the Pathfinder Kingmaker game and some of the design choices made. I went from super excited about the game to soured in about a week and change. The community is...interesting.

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