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Distance working tech like Zoom has existed for two decades now, and been ubiquitous for one. Aren't comfortable with technology? That's like being uncomfortable with a telephone at this point. B#@$*#$% excuse for lazy people. You know how you learn tech? Take time to use it, and ask questions. Just like with anything else.
Just because the technology has been around for years, doesn’t mean people have ever used it. There is a lot of technology in existence that I have never used before.
My company went from a position of “we don’t support or permit videoconferencing” to “you must use videoconferencing at all times” in the space of a week this Spring. I would imagine it is just as bad if not worse for teachers, who similarly were managed under the expectation that meaningful interaction only occurs face-to-face, until suddenly that changed.
If school systems, governments, and private companies refused to allow their employees to use videoconferencing technology before the pandemic, you can hardly blame those employees for having a steep learning curve to contend with. If the previous position was misguided, then your beef is with the people at the top, not the people at the bottom.

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My company went from a position of “we don’t support or permit videoconferencing” to “you must use videoconferencing at all times”
Not quite the same for me but VERY similar.
It reminded me very much of the time my step-dad at the time didn't show me how to set the time for my VCR to record shows or pretty much anything involved with it- he just assumed that since I was a kid I automatically knew everything about it, and didn't need instruction.

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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:Distance working tech like Zoom has existed for two decades now, and been ubiquitous for one. Aren't comfortable with technology? That's like being uncomfortable with a telephone at this point. B#@$*#$% excuse for lazy people. You know how you learn tech? Take time to use it, and ask questions. Just like with anything else.Just because the technology has been around for years, doesn’t mean people have ever used it. There is a lot of technology in existence that I have never used before.
My company went from a position of “we don’t support or permit videoconferencing” to “you must use videoconferencing at all times” in the space of a week this Spring. I would imagine it is just as bad if not worse for teachers, who similarly were managed under the expectation that meaningful interaction only occurs face-to-face, until suddenly that changed.
If school systems, governments, and private companies refused to allow their employees to use videoconferencing technology before the pandemic, you can hardly blame those employees for having a steep learning curve to contend with. If the previous position was misguided, then your beef is with the people at the top, not the people at the bottom.
SHAKE THAT BOTTOM! WOOOOOOOOOO!

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Yeah, this is what I'm dealing with:
To attend today's mandatory tech training meeting students needed the Zoom link. We spent 45 minutes this morning searching for it. It wasn't posted anywhere. It wasn't emailed out.
It turns out that last week the principal sent out an email entitled, "First week of school", and in that email was an attached PDF with the first weeks' schedule. If you downloaded that PDF, then embedded in the PDF was the required Zoom link.
And that was the *only* way to find it.
I feel your pain NH. Next week my girls start back to HS as distance learners. Tonight is a parent night drop in Google meetup. The email describes it as an optional meet and greet with the staff and a general overview of policy and procedure.
However, I know from an earlier conference that only I and one other parent attended online, tonight's meeting is to review new online tools that will be avail to parents to help them manage their students' schedule, expectations, homework and such. That wasn't noted anywhere in the evite for tonight's event.
So parents like my ex have already seen the word "optional" and the generic description of the event and thought "I don't need to review policy; my kid's BEEN going to this school." I expect super low turnout. As a result, when the year starts next week none of the parents will be prepared or knowledgeable enough to actually help their kids stay on track. It will be confusing (since the school uses a different online portal than the rest of the district) and likely frustrating.
I'm sending a mass email to as many parents as I know hoping to let them know.
I don't understand how you can launch new applications specifically enabled to help parents stay on track with their students' schooling and NOT create a specific event to train parents on where to find the resource, how to use it, etc. Perhaps like Vagrant noted above, we should just go into their online portal and mess around to figure it out, but I kind of have my hands full with other stuff right now.

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captain yesterday wrote:<GASP!> Not the Lutefisk! Who knows where it's been??Limeylongears wrote:captain yesterday wrote:Cabbage and chocolate chips?
Add some raisins and you have my 3 all time least favorite food items.
Coleslaw cookies, mm yum yum.
This will have appeared in an Aspirational '70s cookbook, along with Spam chunks in Jell-O and candied meatloaf.
So you have been to the Midwest!
Otherwise how would you know what's in a local church cookbook.. although you didn't mention anything about a lutefisk and macaroni noodle casserole..

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On a related note because I don't want to go back to work. The statistics for numbers of patents that are never commercialized is appalling. Something like 85-90% of patents never have a commercial product.
So,
Just because the technology has been around for years, doesn’t mean people have ever used it. There is a lot of technology in existence thatI haveanyone has never used before.

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Limeylongears wrote:captain yesterday wrote:Cabbage and chocolate chips?
Add some raisins and you have my 3 all time least favorite food items.
Coleslaw cookies, mm yum yum.
This will have appeared in an Aspirational '70s cookbook, along with Spam chunks in Jell-O and candied meatloaf.
So you have been to the Midwest!
Otherwise how would you know what's in a local church cookbook.. although you didn't mention anything about a lutefisk and macaroni noodle casserole..
Damn, I forgot to mention the onion soup mix.

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I feel your pain NH. Next week my girls start back to HS as distance learners. Tonight is a parent night drop in Google meetup. The email describes it as an optional meet and greet with the staff and a general overview of policy and procedure.
However, I know from an earlier conference that only I and one other parent attended online, tonight's meeting is to review new online tools that will be avail to parents to help them manage their students' schedule, expectations, homework and such. That wasn't noted anywhere in the evite for tonight's event.
So parents like my ex have already seen the word "optional" and the generic description of the event and thought "I don't need to review policy; my kid's BEEN going to this school." I expect super low turnout. As a result, when the year starts next week none of the parents will be prepared or knowledgeable enough to actually help their kids stay on track. It will be confusing (since the school uses a different online portal than the rest of the district) and likely frustrating.
I'm sending a mass email to as many parents as I know hoping to let them know.
I don't understand how you can launch new applications specifically enabled to help parents stay on track with their students' schooling and NOT create a specific event to train parents on where to find the resource, how to use it, etc. Perhaps like Vagrant noted above, we should just go into their online portal and mess around to figure it out, but I kind of have my hands full with other stuff right now.
Well, that's the thing. I attended the orientation. I knew about the meetings. I'd even downloaded and printed the schedule from the school's web site.
But it was *only* the schedule that the principal had emailed to the students as an, "Oh, by the way" attachment that had the critical link.
AFTER at the orientation the principal said, "All the Zoom links will be in the portal."
Which all of them were... EXCEPT the critical first one.

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So, I think Impus Minor set a new record: He had a late assignment the moment he started first period on the first day of school!!!
(More seriously, the teacher accidentally set the due date for the first assignment to be at the start of class so everyone had a late assignment to start, but I doubt many students took as much pride in it as Impus Minor did.)

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So, I think Impus Minor set a new record: He had a late assignment the moment he started first period on the first day of school!!!
(More seriously, the teacher accidentally set the due date for the first assignment to be at the start of class so everyone had a late assignment to start, but I doubt many students took as much pride in it as Impus Minor did.)
Having met Impus Minor I can imagine his grin

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captain yesterday wrote:I'm getting Rifts Ultimate Edition and a couple of Nightbane books as a belated birthday present for myself in case Limey ever returns to Wisconsin or Freehold visits.damn those games are HARD to get right.
Blowing up a demonic robot vampire in iridescent power armour, with flaming guns for claws and a brain-enhancing crown that allowed it to control an army of psychotic armadillo warriors and level whole villages with its mind-tsunamis was always going to be a tricky proposition, it's true.

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During last week's orientation, the principal admitted that last year's remote learning "experiment" had been an unmitigated disaster, and they'd spent the summer training the teachers, staff, and administration and coming up with a solid plan for delivering a "fantastic online learning experience".
Yeah, right.
The Morning Recap:
Period 0: Mandatory tech training.
The only way to get the link was in a PDF attached to a welcome email. I consider this a gross lack of communication.
Period 1:
The teacher made the first assignment due the moment class started. On the one hand, it was amusing and harmless; no one thought, "Oh, no! I'm late!"
On the other hand, considering the principal's assurances that the teachers underwent "extensive training", such a mistake on the first day doesn't bode well.
Period 2: No issues.
Period 3:
The teacher accidentally ended the class 5 minutes after it started, then had to wait 10-15 minutes for everyone to re-join. Once again, it would be a harmless mistake except for the claim that the teachers had been trained and that things would run smoothly.
So far, the first day is proving to be anything but "a fantastic online learning experience".
Let's see how the afternoon goes.

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they'd spent the summer training the teachers, staff, and administration
Did they "provide training" or did they provide training and then administer some sort of test of mastery after the training was over?
I would guess that you're making a lot of assumptions about training and mastery that are illogical and don't match any previously available data.

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During last week's orientation, the principal admitted that last year's remote learning "experiment" had been an unmitigated disaster, and they'd spent the summer training the teachers, staff, and administration and coming up with a solid plan for delivering a "fantastic online learning experience".
Yeah, right.
The Morning Recap:
Period 0: Mandatory tech training.
The only way to get the link was in a PDF attached to a welcome email. I consider this a gross lack of communication.Period 1:
The teacher made the first assignment due the moment class started. On the one hand, it was amusing and harmless; no one thought, "Oh, no! I'm late!"
On the other hand, considering the principal's assurances that the teachers underwent "extensive training", such a mistake on the first day doesn't bode well.Period 2: No issues.
Period 3:
The teacher accidentally ended the class 5 minutes after it started, then had to wait 10-15 minutes for everyone to re-join. Once again, it would be a harmless mistake except for the claim that the teachers had been trained and that things would run smoothly.So far, the first day is proving to be anything but "a fantastic online learning experience".
Let's see how the afternoon goes.
Our school district is super proud how they have 8 days scheduled for the teachers to figure out virtual learning.
I'm glad I'm not the parent working from home.

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NobodysHome wrote:they'd spent the summer training the teachers, staff, and administrationDid they "provide training" or did they provide training and then administer some sort of test of mastery after the training was over?
I would guess that you're making a lot of assumptions about training and mastery that are illogical and don't match any previously available data.
I mean, expecting competence and capability and being disappointed on the regular is something of a trend in NH's posts as of late. Sorry to say it dude but it's true.

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captain yesterday wrote:<GASP!> Not the Lutefisk! Who knows where it's been??Limeylongears wrote:captain yesterday wrote:Cabbage and chocolate chips?
Add some raisins and you have my 3 all time least favorite food items.
Coleslaw cookies, mm yum yum.
This will have appeared in an Aspirational '70s cookbook, along with Spam chunks in Jell-O and candied meatloaf.
So you have been to the Midwest!
Otherwise how would you know what's in a local church cookbook.. although you didn't mention anything about a lutefisk and macaroni noodle casserole..
Bask in my radiance!

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CrystalSeas wrote:I mean, expecting competence and capability and being disappointed on the regular is something of a trend in NH's posts as of late. Sorry to say it dude but it's true.NobodysHome wrote:they'd spent the summer training the teachers, staff, and administrationDid they "provide training" or did they provide training and then administer some sort of test of mastery after the training was over?
I would guess that you're making a lot of assumptions about training and mastery that are illogical and don't match any previously available data.
The greatest disappointment of my life was learning that:
(1) Showing up to work on time, and(2) doing what I was asked to do,
made me the "best employee we've ever had" at multiple places.
Show up. Do your job. You'll be the best ever.
That saddens me more than you know.
EDIT: A good example was at the video store. "If there's no one in the store, you should go around and try to straighten out the videos and make sure they're in the right place and in alphabetical order."
As a mild obsessive-compulsive, I found this an extremely relaxing way to pass the time.
One day the owner walked in.
"What are you doing?"
"I'm cleaning up and sorting the videos like you asked me to."
"I knew someone was doing that! The store's been much neater since you arrived! Great job!"
And I was just puzzled. You asked me to do it. I did it. What's the big deal?
Apparently, doing work when the boss isn't around is something a lot of people just don't do.

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In other news, is testicle deodorant really, really meeting an unmet need, after we've had soap & water for some thousands of years?
depends on what you mean by testicle deodorant.
People live in vastly different climates and some are quite susceptible to jock itch and other unpleasant experiences when the weather gets hot and humid or cold and dry, and thats before going into the hand you are dealt via hirsute-ness hormones. I would certainly prefer functional testicle deodorant options to soap and water and crossed fingers.

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captain yesterday wrote:Damn, I forgot to mention the onion soup mix.Limeylongears wrote:Coleslaw cookies, mm yum yum.
This will have appeared in an Aspirational '70s cookbook, along with Spam chunks in Jell-O and candied meatloaf.
So you have been to the Midwest!
Otherwise how would you know what's in a local church cookbook.. although you didn't mention anything about a lutefisk and macaroni noodle casserole..
Lipton French onion soup mix pouches were one of the Infinity Stones in my mom's and her mom's culinary Infinity Gauntlet.

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captain yesterday wrote:Lipton French onion soup mix pouches were one of the Infinity Stones in my mom's and her mom's culinary Infinity Gauntlet.captain yesterday wrote:Damn, I forgot to mention the onion soup mix.Limeylongears wrote:Coleslaw cookies, mm yum yum.
This will have appeared in an Aspirational '70s cookbook, along with Spam chunks in Jell-O and candied meatloaf.
So you have been to the Midwest!
Otherwise how would you know what's in a local church cookbook.. although you didn't mention anything about a lutefisk and macaroni noodle casserole..
now I want to see a picture of her holding it up over her head while light shines from it, turning blah meals into wonderful masterpieces with an unknown secret ingredient.
Bonus points if it is a take on any of the Infinity Gauntlet covers.

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In other news, is testicle deodorant really, really meeting an unmet need, after we've had soap & water for some thousands of years?
After a long day of drivin', haulin', or a muddin', your truck nuts can get mighty sweaty and stinky.

NobodysHome |

OK, holy carp that was cathartic!
For nearly 13 years now, I've been meticulously moving, storing, rescuing, re-moving, and re-storing the kids' old Legos, Megablocks, and PlayMobil. Boxes and boxes of it; probably well over $2000 worth. Every time I saw a piece in an old bin of junk, I rescued it, putting it all together, making sure that if the kids were ever interested again, or if the kids ever had kids, we could build them all together...
I finally did some simple math. Impus Major's first child is unlikely to be old enough to play with any of this stuff for at least 14 years, even if he has a child far earlier than we did. Even if I could find a place to store all 8 bins for $20 a month, $20 x 12 x 14 = $3360, easily more than I originally paid.
And nobody wants the stuff. Everyone gets rid of bins and bins of unsorted building blocks. Nobody wants them unless they're all neat and sorted and either assembled or in their original boxes.
So today I dumped my first box. I expected to be heartbroken. Instead, I felt nothing but... relief. Relief that I'd no longer have to carefully watch over every tiny piece of plastic I found over my years of cleaning. Relief that I'd never have to find room for 8 bins of crap that no one ever uses again. Relief that I wouldn't have to try to find all the instructions, find all the parts, hope they were all there, and reassemble them years in the distant future...
It's an amazing monkey off my back. And all I had to do was be willing to let it all go. Nice feeling.

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OK, holy carp that was cathartic!
For nearly 13 years now, I've been meticulously moving, storing, rescuing, re-moving, and re-storing the kids' old Legos, Megablocks, and PlayMobil. Boxes and boxes of it; probably well over $2000 worth. Every time I saw a piece in an old bin of junk, I rescued it, putting it all together, making sure that if the kids were ever interested again, or if the kids ever had kids, we could build them all together...
I finally did some simple math. Impus Major's first child is unlikely to be old enough to play with any of this stuff for at least 14 years, even if he has a child far earlier than we did. Even if I could find a place to store all 8 bins for $20 a month, $20 x 12 x 14 = $3360, easily more than I originally paid.
And nobody wants the stuff. Everyone gets rid of bins and bins of unsorted building blocks. Nobody wants them unless they're all neat and sorted and either assembled or in their original boxes.
So today I dumped my first box. I expected to be heartbroken. Instead, I felt nothing but... relief. Relief that I'd no longer have to carefully watch over every tiny piece of plastic I found over my years of cleaning. Relief that I'd never have to find room for 8 bins of crap that no one ever uses again. Relief that I wouldn't have to try to find all the instructions, find all the parts, hope they were all there, and reassemble them years in the distant future...
It's an amazing monkey off my back. And all I had to do was be willing to let it all go. Nice feeling.
hate you.

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So many kids who could make use of those.
Is there no Salvation Army in your area? Or thrift shop that helps newly homed families moving out of homeless shelters?
Even bins without directions or pictures are useful for imaginative kids.
That's the tragedy about living in a high-population-density, high-income area such as this one: The charities can pick-and-choose what they accept. Unless I'm willing to drive for at least an hour each way, charities will only accept new toys and clothing, and used toy stores will only accept complete sets with instructions.
I wanted to get rid of our glide rocker, which, as Lisamarlene can attest, is a really nice chair.
It took GothBard quite a few calls just to find a women's shelter that might take it if we send a picture and it looks good enough, and more likely than not they'll reject it.
Hopefully if I put it in the front yard someone'll take it. The only way I seem to be able to get rid of used stuff that's still in decent shape is to put it in my front yard and hope.
EDIT: Oh, and apparently there are two Facebook groups dedicated to our plight to just give stuff away. The second got created because the first one started getting too picky about what was allowed to be posted. It's really kind of stupid how hard it is to get rid of used stuff around here.

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I would have happily taken them off your hands if I wasn't halfway across the country.
As CrystalSeas wrote, I would bet there are hundreds, if not thousands, of families even in this immediate area who would happily take them.
But if the charities are too busy to connect me with them, I have no idea how I'm supposed to get anything to them.
EDIT: The final nail in the coffin is the mixture: Once you say, "It's a mixture of Legos, Megablocks, and Playmobil" the standard response is, "Well, once you've sorted them all then I'm sure there's a place that'll take them."

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I've made use of Freecyle in the past.
And no, it's not a bike specially made for Freehold.

NobodysHome |

I've made use of Freecyle in the past.
And no, it's not a bike specially made for Freehold.
Well, you've convinced me to at least try on the next couple of bins -- get one Lego/Megablocks and one Playmobil. But Freecycle's a good example -- the closest one's centered a 40-minute drive away. I don't know how many people would drive 80 minutes for some bins of unsorted Legos/Megablocks.
But I have time before the next bins are ready. I'll poke around.

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NobodysHome wrote:But Freecycle's a good example -- the closest one's centered a 40-minute drive away. I don't know how many people would drive 80 minutes for some bins of unsorted Legos/Megablocks.Is this not your neighborhood?
LOLOL.
So, I put in my ZIP code, and it gave me a place 30 miles away. I put in Albany, and I get nothing at all. YOU put in Berkeley, and there are all kinds of postings right in my neighborhood.
Whatever engine they're using to match ZIP codes with cities needs some serious updating...

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So many kids who could make use of those.
Is there no Salvation Army in your area? Or thrift shop that helps newly homed families moving out of homeless shelters?
Even bins without directions or pictures are useful for imaginative kids.
i used to agree, until we had the scabies/bedbug epidemic. That killed a lot of goodwill activity in the area.

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So, I've asked this question as a joke, and maybe said it once or twice as a rant, but seriously, this has been on my mind lately...
I mean, yeah, we can go with the moral/ethical answer, but I SEVERELY doubt the people urging others to vote would be happy if their party WOULD have won, but instead lost because of a push for others to vote outweighing theirs.
So again, it just seems to be presumption that others agree with their own mindset.
Or maybe I'm just wrong. I am really bad at understanding people.