captain yesterday |
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captain yesterday wrote:...Just so long as you weren't standing directly underneath.High Schooler: So, when we're done with this part of the job, you want us to get some mulch?
The Boss: Well yes, it's not going to just fall from the sky
Me: That would be pretty cool if it did!
I should note everyone looked up when it was said.
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Limeylongears wrote:I should note everyone looked up when it was said.captain yesterday wrote:...Just so long as you weren't standing directly underneath.High Schooler: So, when we're done with this part of the job, you want us to get some mulch?
The Boss: Well yes, it's not going to just fall from the sky
Me: That would be pretty cool if it did!
Cant blame them. Its been that kind of year.
NobodysHome |
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captain yesterday wrote:Cant blame them. Its been that kind of year.Limeylongears wrote:I should note everyone looked up when it was said.captain yesterday wrote:...Just so long as you weren't standing directly underneath.High Schooler: So, when we're done with this part of the job, you want us to get some mulch?
The Boss: Well yes, it's not going to just fall from the sky
Me: That would be pretty cool if it did!
Yeah, what does it say that Africa has locust swarms and it's barely touching the news cycle?
Even locusts aren't even news any more.
"Hey! Hey! Pay attention to US!"
"Nope. Bigger things are happening..."
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Ah, summer. The time when my mother-in-law decides, since our annual lease renewal is coming up, it's time for us to find a rental house closer to her home, so we're not "so far away".
The problem is, we live in the cheap NE suburb 15 miles away from her because *she* lives in one of the oldest, prettiest neighborhoods in the Metroplex, where rents are almost exactly double that of ours, and the closest homes to her that are affordable by our standards are not nearly as nice as the house we've got.
So, we get to do the passive-aggressive go-round of her being disappointed (because after we moved over 2000 miles to be close to her, she can't deal with 15 miles of separation), the frustration of trying to find affordable rental properties that aren't in Mesquite, and the stress of our corporate landlords emailing us daily asking us when we're going to sign our lease renewal.
Also, my husband has a ridiculously long memory for neighborhood crime, so just when I *think* I've found a perfect house, he starts talking about car-jackings and smash-and-grabs that happened on that street thirty or forty years ago. Kind of like the Quantas scene in Rain Man.
Good times!
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Now I really want WW to get oddly specific about it...
"We can't live there! The Stephenson kid smashed up the windows to that place in June 1983, right after the Rangers blew a 7-3 lead in the 8th inning!"
Between NH's post, and Vany's post, I'm desperately wanting Gary Larson to come out of retirement to illustrate the thread today.
Vanykrye |
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Vanykrye wrote:Between NH's post, and Vany's post, I'm desperately wanting Gary Larson to come out of retirement to illustrate the thread today.Now I really want WW to get oddly specific about it...
"We can't live there! The Stephenson kid smashed up the windows to that place in June 1983, right after the Rangers blew a 7-3 lead in the 8th inning!"
Make yourself some cookies.
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Now I really want WW to get oddly specific about it...
"We can't live there! The Stephenson kid smashed up the windows to that place in June 1983, right after the Rangers blew a 7-3 lead in the 8th inning!"
I'd worry about the moment when he starts describing unexplained killings...
... in the first person.
Vanykrye |
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North neighbor took down a tree along our rear property line, right at the beginning of the wooded section of our properties. So he's using a chainsaw in the back yard.
South neighbor has a small gas leak in his front yard, and the gas company is out cutting into the road with a concrete saw directly in front of my house.
NobodysHome |
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North neighbor took down a tree along our rear property line, right at the beginning of the wooded section of our properties. So he's using a chainsaw in the back yard.
South neighbor has a small gas leak in his front yard, and the gas company is out cutting into the road with a concrete saw directly in front of my house.
Welcome to working from home!
I eventually shelled out for $300 noise cancelling headphones. Because yes, they're a required work-from-home expense.
NobodysHome |
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We have a worldwide pandemic. Somehow, in the U.S., it has become political.
And I really, fundamentally, don't understand why or how you can turn a virus political. I mean, I watched it. Trump said something that turned out to be wrong. Instead of admitting that he was wrong, he lied. His entire administration and news organization and supporters spun around to try to prove that he wasn't 'wrong'.
But what the heck is wrong with being wrong occasionally? It's the only way you can possibly learn!
This came on because I read Mike Pence's statement about Oklahoma having "flattened the curve", and I looked at the graphs, and the data, and it was obvious that he was just plain lying.
And what resonates with me is, "Why?"
Why is this political? Why are you intentionally saying something that is going to get people killed? What possible gain is there for you? What's the benefit?
I understand evil in the name of profit, or power, or fame, or what-have-you. But this... this just makes no sense to me. I can't even figure out WHY it became political in the first place, and now the overt lies that are immediately contradictable through a simple search are just baffling to me.
It's mainly a rhetorical question; I don't think anyone else has an answer beyond, "The U.S. is so divided that everything has to be an 'us vs. them' situation."
But in terms of the virus, I'm looking for the concrete benefit in downplaying it, and I just don't see one.
Vanykrye |
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** spoiler omitted **
So Trump's team has to go "NUH UH!"
And then they just make s++! up to try to back the lie because they know that the majority of Trump's supporters won't bother looking at the facts and will just accept whatever Trump says as truth anyway. So then it's the people who are actually telling those supporters the actual truth that are "the liars" and "the enemy" and "the other" to rally against.
And they eat it up.
It's Propaganda 101.
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NobodysHome wrote:** spoiler omitted **** spoiler omitted **
By directly contradicting them, they're encouraging their own supporters to ignore all the virus safety protocol.
And spreading a fatal disease among your own supporters is a non-sustainable model. Are they really that short-sighted? Can they not see that this is going to come back and bite them even in November?
They're not even going to make it to the next election before this bites them. So it makes no sense at all from a strategic perspective.
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Additional answers to NH query
While Vanyk answers the OKC specifically, here is some additional fodder.
Trump has basically been able to "keep" the quiet center mostly apolitical mass in part because the stock market did so well until about february/march 2020. That is, very few people are one issue voters (they exist, I know it, you know it, but most people are a continuum). So such people can overlook his transgressions on topic X which matters to them, but is not a deal breaker so long as the market is doing well.
There are pockets of people who care about topics A, B, C, D, E...and the fact that he has screwed up on each of those topics may push them into going "enough" and contemplating the sameness that is Biden. But these folks are outnumbered by the folks that don't care about B-E and are really only offended by one topic.
And there are people who hate him for being him and it really does not matter what happens....they hates them do.
So, against that backdrop - to "keep" his base, he has to be able to point to the "economy" (yes, I know the stock market is not the economy, but in many instances it is an acceptable proxy) as doing awesome, claim credit and remain dancing in the White House.
How does he (to the extent he has the ability) keep the market going back up? He lies to the audience. The market is largely perception driven, so if it passes an initial smell test, the market can accept it and move.
So, back to the question - it is to use your words "evil in the name of profit, [and] power, [and] fame" for him. He can't keep his position (power) without telling the lies. He can't funnel money into his family's businesses (profit) without telling lies.
You can play lots of whatabout games in terms of corruption and self-dealing, but it boils down to - can I convince the plutocrats to pump the economy through november to crush Biden?
Vanykrye |
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Vanykrye wrote:** spoiler omitted **NobodysHome wrote:** spoiler omitted **** spoiler omitted **
Nylarthotep |
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captain yesterday wrote:Today is one of those days where if I was a different person I would dance around yelling in people's faces "Ha! I told you so!"
Instead I will just accept I was right all along and probably get a raise on my next check.
I'm listening...
Does this story end with a bucket?
Or cutting something? Cause I am missing gaming enough that even a vicarious critical on a paver might be exciting.
I totally just got a 20 to cut this paver with a butter knife!
Orthos |
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Trump's reality is not our reality, and they're increasingly trying to make it so through sheer stubbornness and propaganda.
Nylarthotep |
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Neal Stephenson has a book whose late beginning premise extrapolates the siloed nature of evidence gathering. I am not finished with the book, so cannot unreservedly endorse it, but it does have an interesting take on the echo chamber like news provision silos.
Fall; Or, Dodge in Hell
In a further bit of whataboutism, I note that the left has similar silos of information provision.
Drejk |
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Today is one of those days where if I was a different person I would dance around yelling in people's faces "Ha! I told you so!"
Instead I will just accept I was right all along and probably get a raise on my next check.
I'd love to get extra income each time I got "I told you so" moment, wherever silent or not.
NobodysHome |
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This will get Vanykrye and Woran going:
Customer: For security concerns, we don't want to use Customer ID for the import, so we're using Customer Name.
Support: OK. We support that. So, what's the problem?
Customer: We have multiple people with the same name and we need to distinguish them.
Support: So, how about using some kind of ID to distinguish them?
Customer: We don't want to do that because of security concerns. What else do you have?
Er... I dunno? Make sure your customers all have different names?
Vanykrye |
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Neal Stephenson has a book whose late beginning premise extrapolates the siloed nature of evidence gathering. I am not finished with the book, so cannot unreservedly endorse it, but it does have an interesting take on the echo chamber like news provision silos.
Fall; Or, Dodge in Hell
In a further bit of whataboutism, I note that the left has similar silos of information provision.
Admitting up front that I'm biased on this one (clearly), but I'll submit that for the last 20-25 years the left's more extreme silos are less...nakedly transparently odious...or "popular"/well known/notorious...or simply as powerful...as the right's more extreme silos.
EDIT: Clarified "more extreme silos" for both sides.
Vanykrye |
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This will get Vanykrye and Woran going:
Customer: For security concerns, we don't want to use Customer ID for the import, so we're using Customer Name.
Support: OK. We support that. So, what's the problem?
Customer: We have multiple people with the same name and we need to distinguish them.
Support: So, how about using some kind of ID to distinguish them?
Customer: We don't want to do that because of security concerns. What else do you have?Er... I dunno? Make sure your customers all have different names?
Um...Hey...Customer...um...let me see how I can put this...using real names are a bigger security and privacy concern than a made-up ID number system that would provide another layer of abstraction...
Sure, you're going to have to have a database somewhere that matches up the ID to the name, but I'd rather have to secure that then just start throwing out customers' real names...
IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY CONCERNED ABOUT SECURITY, THAT IS.
Climbs down from high horse, instantly sprains ankle.
Drejk |
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NobodysHome wrote:This will get Vanykrye and Woran going:
Customer: For security concerns, we don't want to use Customer ID for the import, so we're using Customer Name.
Support: OK. We support that. So, what's the problem?
Customer: We have multiple people with the same name and we need to distinguish them.
Support: So, how about using some kind of ID to distinguish them?
Customer: We don't want to do that because of security concerns. What else do you have?Er... I dunno? Make sure your customers all have different names?
Um...Hey...Customer...um...let me see how I can put this...using real names are a bigger security and privacy concern than a made-up ID number system that would provide another layer of abstraction...
Sure, you're going to have to have a database somewhere that matches up the ID to the name, but I'd rather have to secure that then just start throwing out customers' real names...
IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY CONCERNED ABOUT SECURITY, THAT IS.
Climbs down from high horse, instantly sprains ankle.
Lets solve the problem in the worst possible way and generate Customer ID by using their real names and their address! That should give us sufficiently unique entries...
Huh... Why Vany is laughing, moaning, and grinding his teeth at the same time?
Eh, it must be that sprained ankle.
Dire Quote Mangler |
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captain yesterday wrote:Cant blame them. Its been that kind of year.Limeylongears wrote:I should note everyone looked up when it was said.captain yesterday wrote:...Just so long as you weren't standing directly underneath.High Schooler: So, when we're done with this part of the job, you want us to get some mulch?
The Boss: Well yes, it's not going to just fall from the sky
Me: That would be pretty cool if it did!
What is happening around here today? Are gringos falling from the sky?!
captain yesterday |
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Vanykrye wrote:captain yesterday wrote:Today is one of those days where if I was a different person I would dance around yelling in people's faces "Ha! I told you so!"
Instead I will just accept I was right all along and probably get a raise on my next check.
I'm listening...
Does this story end with a bucket?
Or cutting something? Cause I am missing gaming enough that even a vicarious critical on a paver might be exciting.
I totally just got a 20 to cut this paver with a butter knife!
I did in fact have to smash three pavers. However, that was the problem as each paver costs 26 dollars and if certain people had listened to me yesterday and took an extra fifteen minutes releveling them then I wouldn't have had to spend three hours smashing them out replacing them and releveling them.
Vanykrye |
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I've been working with a support team for one of the applications we use for the last hour and a half. Instant messaging and sharing my screen while I'm logged into both the test and production servers.
One of my cats...the smarter one...jumps up and starts demanding that it's dinner time. She's only two hours early. She waits for me to take my hand off my mouse. She then sits on it. And she starts randomly right clicking on things. With her butt.
NobodysHome |
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NobodysHome wrote:** spoiler omitted **** spoiler omitted **
I'll just say that yes, I lived through that, and no, it was totally different.
There is a fundamental difference between, "This disease exists, it can affect everyone, and it's God's punishment for these people's immoral behavior," and, "This disease does/does not exist at all."
EDIT: OK, OK. I'll spoiler.
But they:
- Acknowledged that AIDS existed
- Accepted the science on how it was transmitted
- Assisted in putting down the rumors ("You can get it from toilet seats!")
The messaging from non-fringe political leaders was consistent and based on scientific fact, no matter their party. There was the usual gang of screaming, frothing-at-the-mouth evangelists who insisted on all kinds of nonsense, but no one outside of their flocks even pretended that their ravings made a lick of sense.
I'm sure as heck not seeing that this go-round.
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NobodysHome wrote:** spoiler omitted **Vanykrye wrote:** spoiler omitted **NobodysHome wrote:** spoiler omitted **** spoiler omitted **
To add a brief comment on the topic...
Which is also why Pence toes the line. For all we know he hates Trump, but because Trump is carrying the banner with the big C on it, Pence plays the loyal toady.
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One of my cats...the smarter one...jumps up and starts demanding that it's dinner time. She's only two hours early. She waits for me to take my hand off my mouse. She then sits on it. And she starts randomly right clicking on things. With her butt.
If I could do that with my butt, I imagine I'd be able to live a non-extravagant-but-comfortable lifestyle with my own softporn video website.
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Vanykrye wrote:NobodysHome wrote:** spoiler omitted **Vanykrye wrote:** spoiler omitted **NobodysHome wrote:** spoiler omitted **** spoiler omitted **
To add a brief comment on the topic...
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Which is also why Pence toes the line. For all we know he hates Trump, but because Trump is carrying the banner with the big C on it, Pence plays the loyal toady.
Pence also knows Trump is his biggest ticket towards inching the country closer toward a fundamentalist theocracy, which has been his (not so subtle) goal all along. He's willing to let Trump take the fall for it, when inevitably push comes to shove-into-the-meat-grinder, as he's clearly a sin-laden heathen who barely acknowledges God, but he's willing to stand behind him and let him take the bullets of public opinion until the power is in his or his allies' hands.
After that, if he's still around somehow, I'm sure Pence and his people will be happy to toss him into the hell-pit along with all the other sinners.
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Orthos wrote:** spoiler omitted **This is the most frightening thing I have read...ever, in the entire course of my life.
I owe my best friend and in fact all of my Jewish friends an apology. They all grew up underscoring the importance of "it can't happen here".
It sounds like it just did.
It totally did:
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And this is also their backup for the inevitable point at which they push all other hosts to their breaking point. They're already seeing it on YouTube, on Twitter, and on every news and fact-check resource that isn't already in their pockets. This is their backup, and it's essentially failproof, at least for their purposes.
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Freehold DM wrote:NobodysHome wrote:** spoiler omitted **** spoiler omitted **
I'll just say that yes, I lived through that, and no, it was totally different.
There is a fundamental difference between, "This disease exists, it can affect everyone, and it's God's punishment for these people's immoral behavior," and, "This disease does/does not exist at all."
EDIT: OK, OK. I'll spoiler.
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This is generally true - starting around 1985 or so.
If you go back to 1981/1982, there were definitely a few years of refusing to take it seriously. Those were years of politicians asking “why should we care about some new cancer that only affects gay people?”